49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
best hc in the game

Weren't there fans that wanted him fired early in the Commanders game?

lol

oh in the gameday thread they want the team blown up if we have to punt. its some pretty good comic relief

Same ones who said McDaniel was the real brains behind the operation

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Same ones who said McDaniel was the real brains behind the operation

That's pretty mild all things considered, lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes or No? I'm still undecided. LOL

i need another 7 years to make up my mind

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes or No? I'm still undecided. LOL

i need another 7 years to make up my mind

We patiently await these 2 outcomes.

Belichick is 3-35 over the last 7 years when down 8 in the 4th quarter.

The Ravens franchise is 2-22 in this situation all time.

remember this next time some idiot in the media or on this message board brings up Kyle's 0-38 record when down 8 in the 4th.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Belichick is 3-35 over the last 7 years when down 8 in the 4th quarter.

The Ravens franchise is 2-22 in this situation all time.

remember this next time some idiot in the media or on this message board brings up Kyle's 0-38 record when down 8 in the 4th.

What's odd, I get the mentality of KS wants to pound the rock, he wants WRs to block, we are dead last in pass attempts, so naturally, we don't fare well in a drop back the QB all game to come from behind setting. I think what rubs ppl wrong, is we should be able to maintain the leads, even if we don't overcome them, due to our KS run game taking over and cementing games. That has not happened, at least in the 2 glaring examples. Good year to put the narratives to bed, one way or another.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What's odd, I get the mentality of KS wants to pound the rock, he wants WRs to block, we are dead last in pass attempts, so naturally, we don't fare well in a drop back the QB all game to come from behind setting. I think what rubs ppl wrong, is we should be able to maintain the leads, even if we don't overcome them, due to our KS run game taking over and cementing games. That has not happened, at least in the 2 glaring examples. Good year to put the narratives to bed, one way or another.

The most glaring failure in those two examples were execution… especially by the QB. And Atlanta example obviously featured a full collapse of their defense which wasn't totally surprising. What was surprising was that they played well for a half.

That SB was a shocking comeback not just because it happened when the Pats were down 25, but also because it ever got to that point. Pats beat the s**t out that team end to end in most games if they were to play a series.

Dave Lombardi after the bad loss to the ravens recently was theorizing what if Shanahan was coaching an 8 qtr. game. Meaning could he have game planned and/or called the game in such a way as if it's a great possibility they'd be the likely SB opponent? I mean it's very plausible, they knew it was actually not a must-win game. Doesn't mean they weren't going all out to win but knowing that, Shanahan could've been sneaky clever AF.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Dave Lombardi after the bad loss to the ravens recently was theorizing what if Shanahan was coaching an 8 qtr. game. Meaning could he have game planned and/or called the game in such a way as if it's a great possibility they'd be the likely SB opponent? I mean it's very plausible, they knew it was actually not a must-win game. Doesn't mean they weren't going all out to win but knowing that, Shanahan could've been sneaky clever AF.

And he did it lowkey with five turnovers so it wouldn't be obvious. Brilliant.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Dave Lombardi after the bad loss to the ravens recently was theorizing what if Shanahan was coaching an 8 qtr. game. Meaning could he have game planned and/or called the game in such a way as if it's a great possibility they'd be the likely SB opponent? I mean it's very plausible, they knew it was actually not a must-win game. Doesn't mean they weren't going all out to win but knowing that, Shanahan could've been sneaky clever AF.

Let's hope that all of the NFC teams we beat handedly this year weren't doing the same thing to us in anticipation of a post-season rematch.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Dave Lombardi after the bad loss to the ravens recently was theorizing what if Shanahan was coaching an 8 qtr. game. Meaning could he have game planned and/or called the game in such a way as if it's a great possibility they'd be the likely SB opponent? I mean it's very plausible, they knew it was actually not a must-win game. Doesn't mean they weren't going all out to win but knowing that, Shanahan could've been sneaky clever AF.

I love shanahan, but no

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Dave Lombardi after the bad loss to the ravens recently was theorizing what if Shanahan was coaching an 8 qtr. game. Meaning could he have game planned and/or called the game in such a way as if it's a great possibility they'd be the likely SB opponent? I mean it's very plausible, they knew it was actually not a must-win game. Doesn't mean they weren't going all out to win but knowing that, Shanahan could've been sneaky clever AF.

I love shanahan, but no

honestly i dont even think coaching was the issue

we were able to move the ball pretty well the issue was the interceptions and a lot of tat was bad luck and maybe Brocks worst game of the year. Self scouting that game if we play Ravens again will help but i don't think for 1 second we wereholding anything back but in SB they will be more tailor made plays to attack ravens weaknesses

Originally posted by ritz126:
honestly i dont even think coaching was the issue

we were able to move the ball pretty well the issue was the interceptions and a lot of tat was bad luck and maybe Brocks worst game of the year. Self scouting that game if we play Ravens again will help but i don't think for 1 second we wereholding anything back but in SB they will be more tailor made plays to attack ravens weaknesses

Agree. Gameplan issue wildly overstated IMO.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by ritz126:
honestly i dont even think coaching was the issue

we were able to move the ball pretty well the issue was the interceptions and a lot of tat was bad luck and maybe Brocks worst game of the year. Self scouting that game if we play Ravens again will help but i don't think for 1 second we wereholding anything back but in SB they will be more tailor made plays to attack ravens weaknesses

Agree. Gameplan issue wildly overstated IMO.

Oh you guys don't subscribe to the idiotic take that we threw too much? lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Belichick is 3-35 over the last 7 years when down 8 in the 4th quarter.

The Ravens franchise is 2-22 in this situation all time.

remember this next time some idiot in the media or on this message board brings up Kyle's 0-38 record when down 8 in the 4th.

What's odd, I get the mentality of KS wants to pound the rock, he wants WRs to block, we are dead last in pass attempts, so naturally, we don't fare well in a drop back the QB all game to come from behind setting. I think what rubs ppl wrong, is we should be able to maintain the leads, even if we don't overcome them, due to our KS run game taking over and cementing games. That has not happened, at least in the 2 glaring examples. Good year to put the narratives to bed, one way or another.

Personally, just my take on Kyle's Achillies heel on this offense.

First of all he's really a genius on the offensive side. That's really important for my point to be understood. Secondly his scheme is brilliant. It starts with his zone run. It's an outside run, very similar in concept to Bill Walsh's green bay sweeps, but instead of pulling the OLinemen, he's executing the zone blocking concepts which share *a lot* of the run blocking concepts with the pass protection concepts. I.e. passing the DLinemen to the other guy if you don't have a good blocking angle etc... that's good for the zone run *and* pass blocking too (with regards to stunts and blitzes etc...) The zone run and the naked boot play-action pass *LOOK* the same and so it's hard for linebackers to tell if it's a run or pass, and so his scheme targets them and makes them hesitate - that's why the WR's are so open. It's a VERY explosive offense when it's clicking.

Here's the problem, the zone run requires smaller, athletic, but less powerful offensive linemen. They are cheaper draftwise and capwise, but they can't power a gap blocking north-south run scheme which is what you need in a four minute offense. I.e. his offensive line is too small to power a ground and pound run offense consistently and have to run outside and pretty much stop the clock when the RB steps out of bounds when you are trying to bleed the clock down.

Also, because the offensive line is smaller, longer pass plays aren't able to be consistently executed because the smaller OLinemen can't sustain their pass blocking for a longer period of time that is needed for longer pass plays to develop.

TLDR: Kyle's offense is explosive, but doesn't have the power to generate a clock killing four minute offense in a close game, nor generate a come from behind win because the offensive line is too small.