49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.

There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

Id say Wilson is very likely to get in and Stafford less so.

Wilson will get in just on the media always fawning all over him. Even when he was backing into Pro Bowls.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

Id say Wilson is very likely to get in and Stafford less so.

It would be a fun discussion either way.

Some could say Wilson played no real part in his 1 Superbowl win. And while he'd have stretches of MVP play, he'd ALWAYS fall off a cliff and flame out come playoff time. Stafford you could say once he got to a better team, he proved he could win one but critics will say he never did enough to elevate Detroit to at least a playoff team like many HOF QB's did.

When you stack those 2 up with Elway, Montana, Young, etc. they fall considerably short. But we'll find out in a few years.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Wilson will get in just on the media always fawning all over him. Even when he was backing into Pro Bowls.

Ha. Maybe. Media is a huge part in that vote...at least representatives from the media.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.

There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

People love QBs and stats, I'm not saying I feel that way, but they'll get in. Maybe no first ballot but they'll get in. Just depends on how their career ends in regards to first ballot or not. If Wilson has another real good season or two, he will be first ballot for sure.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.

There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

People love QBs and stats, I'm not saying I feel that way, but they'll get in. Maybe no first ballot but they'll get in. Just depends on how their career ends in regards to first ballot or not. If Wilson has another real good season or two, he will be first ballot for sure.

for those guys to get in it would have to be a down year in nominees

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.

There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

People love QBs and stats, I'm not saying I feel that way, but they'll get in. Maybe no first ballot but they'll get in. Just depends on how their career ends in regards to first ballot or not. If Wilson has another real good season or two, he will be first ballot for sure.

for those guys to get in it would have to be a down year in nominees

I feel like people on here hate on those two cause they're division rivals. It's like how people still say Wilson's "lucky" with his deep ball and off script plays. Lol it's lucky a few times, but 10 years straight of it isn't luck. They both have numerous all times Records, top 10 all time stat records, Wilson has numerous all time wins in his first 10 seasons or so. Etc.

are they Mahomes? No. Lol but Wilson has had a HOF career. Stafford isn't as much as a lock, IMO, but the super bowl he won was huge and he has a ton of all time rankings when it comes to yards etc. all the lions records (which I guess isn't saying much).

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.

There's a ton that goes into voting someone into the HOF esp. stacked up against who's in there. It's unlikely either do, IMHO.

People love QBs and stats, I'm not saying I feel that way, but they'll get in. Maybe no first ballot but they'll get in. Just depends on how their career ends in regards to first ballot or not. If Wilson has another real good season or two, he will be first ballot for sure.

Yeah we'll see. They'll be the first real group of QB's from the passing league too. That might muddy things a bit given everybody will have good passing stats.

Please tell me the talk about cousins is just that. The last thin* this team needs is an underachieving, mediocre and overrated qb to throw into the qb blender. Jesus enough already with that guy.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Please tell me the talk about cousins is just that. The last thin* this team needs is an underachieving, mediocre and overrated qb to throw into the qb blender. Jesus enough already with that guy.

Yeah, the problem, and TB12 messed this up a lil, is guys are cooked mid 30s typically. The legs start to go, and that's your base, as a passer. Course Brady was setting NFL records, in his mid 40s so ppl thought maybe a mid 30s Stafford or Russ Wilson, looks young in comparison, problem is, those guys aren't Tom Brady, who is 1 of 1.

Teams are probably starting to get wise, as Staffy, Wilson, and Matt Ryan all hit the wall mid to late 30s, last season.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Please tell me the talk about cousins is just that. The last thin* this team needs is an underachieving, mediocre and overrated qb to throw into the qb blender. Jesus enough already with that guy.

More the media once again trying to talk something into existence as opposed to an actual reality.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Please tell me the talk about cousins is just that. The last thin* this team needs is an underachieving, mediocre and overrated qb to throw into the qb blender. Jesus enough already with that guy.

Yeah, the problem, and TB12 messed this up a lil, is guys are cooked mid 30s typically. The legs start to go, and that's your base, as a passer. Course Brady was setting NFL records, in his mid 40s so ppl thought maybe a mid 30s Stafford or Russ Wilson, looks young in comparison, problem is, those guys aren't Tom Brady, who is 1 of 1.

Teams are probably starting to get wise, as Staffy, Wilson, and Matt Ryan all hit the wall mid to late 30s, last season.

It all comes down to health and prep. Brady took exceptional care of his body and he protected himself well on the field as he got older. Instead of standing in there taking a hit to complete the pass, he would just kneel down to protect himself sometimes.

Wilson and Stafford have a TON of sacks and hits on their body, I believe Wilson is the most sacked qb ever during his first 10 years or something like that.

i don't know what's going on with Stafford and how serious it is but last season wasn't good for him. I think Wilson was injured last year too - I was told he had off season shoulder surgery.

taking that kind of beating and that play style doesn't usually age well. Bree's lost a lot of strength in his last 3 years. Rodgers still looks good but he apparently takes good care of himself mentally and physically.

but yeah, we can't just assume everyone will play well till they're 40+ just because Brady did. He put in sooooo much work to make that happen. Very dedicated

Does Rodgers have a better body of work than Stafford or Wilson?

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Does Rodgers have a better body of work than Stafford or Wilson?

Yes