49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

no he didn't lol

Agree. Alex was the same QB with KC as he was here under Harbaugh. I would say he had better offensive design with Reid and he had better talent around him that was suited for the type of player he was: like Jamaal Charles catching what felt like 10 passes a game out of the backfield, lol.

Smith played it safe.. a little too safe.. which makes him expendable

Alex Smith went a whole season without hitting a WR for a TD. He threw 15 TDs with Kelce and Hill on his team (and Jeremy Maclin)

He took safe to another level. It worked because he ended up in very fortunate situations towards the end of his career, but both teams said enough is enough and kicked him out while they were still contending

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Reid has certainly come a long ways himself. He's probably the very best at attacking defensive weaknesses (reminds me of BW this way) and he highly values the OL and QB protection. Clearly he has an eye for QB talent and development too. But he wasn't always like this. It took him a long long time to get there and adding Mahomes to this = dynasty potential.

developed a guy who can't read defenses, does more ad libbing and has more trouble passing from the pocket ? ok

That's a myth. He's a pretty pure pocket passer. He only runs for a couple hundred yards a year. That said, to your point, if his OL is getting abused or he feels the need, he can certainly resort to hero ball. Sometimes it works and other times he's near physical self destruction and a trip to the I.R.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

And both played their best stretch of games in their career in their SB winning post-seasons.

So, it's either a HoF QB*, or a historical career best stretch of games from your QB to win. Every once in a while your defense plays lights out for the postseason, but that's becoming harder and harder every year.

* - I don't think Stafford is a HoF QB, and he's also had regular season stretches of games that matched his 2021 postseason run, so he is the true exception to the rule. Still, a consistent pro-bowl level QB through most of his career.

Originally posted by captveg:
And both played their best stretch of games in their career in their SB winning post-seasons.

So, it's either a HoF QB*, or a historical career best stretch of games from your QB to win. Every once in a while your defense plays lights out for the postseason, but that's becoming harder and harder every year.

* - I don't think Stafford is a HoF QB, and he's also had regular season stretches of games that matched his 2021 postseason run, so he is the true exception to the rule. Still, a consistent pro-bowl level QB through most of his career.

I feel with our weapons, and KS calling plays, a lot of QBs could have career best stretches

That's my head coach

I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

Cousins can't do anything that Purdy hasn't already shown and more. And yes I can safely say that after a small sample size.

Unfortunately until one of our QBs stays healthy and produces for long enough period these garbage takes will be on full display. Nothing gets people talking like 49er QB situation. NFL media loves it.

Whether it's Brock or Trey I hope one of them makes these stupid stories go away for a LONG time.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

Cousins can't do anything that Purdy hasn't already shown and more. And yes I can safely say that after a small sample size.

Unfortunately until one of our QBs stays healthy and produces for long enough period these garbage takes will be on full display. Nothing gets people talking like 49er QB situation. NFL media loves it.

Whether it's Brock or Trey I hope one of them makes these stupid stories go away for a LONG time.

Yea, he can. Kirk has shown he can stay healthy, which is a quality that we should appreciate more than anything else at this point.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

Cousins can't do anything that Purdy hasn't already shown and more. And yes I can safely say that after a small sample size.

Unfortunately until one of our QBs stays healthy and produces for long enough period these garbage takes will be on full display. Nothing gets people talking like 49er QB situation. NFL media loves it.

Whether it's Brock or Trey I hope one of them makes these stupid stories go away for a LONG time.

Yea, he can. Kirk has shown he can stay healthy, which is a quality that we should appreciate more than anything else at this point.

Cousins is too old to be a long term solution. Her's 34 and has a lot of game time under hus belt. He's approaching that window where injuries can start to pop up. Stafford hadn't had any major injuries until he got traded to the Rams. Second year he gets injured.

I prefer to go with Brock, Trey or someone else young enough that they can stay around for awhile if they play well. I know both have been hurt but none of thise injuries tell me that they are injury prone. Brock injured that elbow when he was hit while throwing a pass. It actually happens a lot. Sometimes it's more serious. He played 4 years in college without a major injury so I give him a pass. Trey broke his ankle when someone stepped on it in the middle of the line while trying to run up the middle. That doesn't make him imjury prone either. Same with the thumb injury in his first year. That's a very common injury in the NFL.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

It is quite insufferable

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

It is quite insufferable

I feel like if Shanny/49ers wanted him as bad at the media is projecting, we would have gotten him lmao

Originally posted by Zachary:
I feel like if Shanny/49ers wanted him as bad at the media is projecting, we would have gotten him lmao

It's no different than trading 3 1s and a 3 for a guy they didn't really want yet they really wanted Sam Darnold but weren't willing to beat a 6 in 21 and 2 and 4 in 2022. Narratives is all it is.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wish the media would stop all that b******t about the 9ers and Kirk Cousins.

Cousins can't do anything that Purdy hasn't already shown and more. And yes I can safely say that after a small sample size.

Unfortunately until one of our QBs stays healthy and produces for long enough period these garbage takes will be on full display. Nothing gets people talking like 49er QB situation. NFL media loves it.

Whether it's Brock or Trey I hope one of them makes these stupid stories go away for a LONG time.

Yea, he can. Kirk has shown he can stay healthy, which is a quality that we should appreciate more than anything else at this point.

True you have a point there when it comes to the 49ers QB situation. But Kirk Cousins has shown that he plays good enough to get your team knocked outta the playoffs in round one. Keep in mind he has probably the best receiver or a top 3 receiver in football and he still can't show that he's a top 10 QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

True. As they should.

What? Stafford will be in the HOF and so will Wilson. Lol

Both super bowl champs. Both have numerous records. Wilson especially. I'm not saying they're all time greats but Their stats and super bowls put them in there. Their careers aren't over.

just because Wilson had a bad year this last season, which I'm assuming it was his messed up shoulder more than anything, they're forgetting he was a top QB for about a decade. All it will take is for him to have a good year this year and everyone will be going crazy for him again.