49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Reid has certainly come a long ways himself. He's probably the very best at attacking defensive weaknesses (reminds me of BW this way) and he highly values the OL and QB protection. Clearly he has an eye for QB talent and development too. But he wasn't always like this. It took him a long long time to get there and adding Mahomes to this = dynasty potential.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Harbaugh did that also with CK

ah yes the 'monsoon' game, where CK hit 4 TD passes
there was a period when CK was a force, it took a season for NFL Ds to figure out what was going on, and put a halt to it
Alex wasn't a gimmick QB like that with Reid, or a flash in the pan, he evolved into a really darn good QB

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
The quest for 6 doesn't start until Kyle gets kirk cousins!

we're talking about winning SB #6 not the quest for 6 wins in a season

nah def would have won 3 ships with KC QB'n since 2018

Why does Kyle need a generational talent, first-ballot HOF QB to win a Superbowl if he's such an offensive genius and has had total control of the 53 for 7 years and counting???

For the same reason Andy Reid did: those QBs win the Super Bowl the vast majority of the time.

Many have won without that though. Many. It helps with building a dynasty but it's not a requirement for winning one Superbowl.

Nike Foles and Joe Flacco are the only 2 that I can think of in the last 20 some years that won't be HOF's. Definitely the exception to the rule.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson join team exceptions. But the word "many" has a loose definition.

True. Russell Wilson is no HOF QB either. Neither is Stafford just to name a couple more. It's what you strive for for sure but it isn't a requirement.

not a requirement yet every team is looking for that QB..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Harbaugh did that also with CK

ah yes the 'monsoon' game, where CK hit 4 TD passes
there was a period when CK was a force, it took a season for NFL Ds to figure out what was going on, and put a halt to it
Alex wasn't a gimmick QB like that with Reid, or a flash in the pan, he evolved into a really darn good QB

no he didn't lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Reid has certainly come a long ways himself. He's probably the very best at attacking defensive weaknesses (reminds me of BW this way) and he highly values the OL and QB protection. Clearly he has an eye for QB talent and development too. But he wasn't always like this. It took him a long long time to get there and adding Mahomes to this = dynasty potential.

developed a guy who can't read defenses, does more ad libbing and has more trouble passing from the pocket ? ok

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
no he didn't lol

Agree. Alex was the same QB with KC as he was here under Harbaugh. I would say he had better offensive design with Reid and he had better talent around him that was suited for the type of player he was: like Jamaal Charles catching what felt like 10 passes a game out of the backfield, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
no he didn't lol

Agree. Alex was the same QB with KC as he was here under Harbaugh. I would say he had better offensive design with Reid and he had better talent around him that was suited for the type of player he was: like Jamaal Charles catching what felt like 10 passes a game out of the backfield, lol.

Smith played it safe.. a little too safe.. which makes him expendable

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Harbaugh did that also with CK

ah yes the 'monsoon' game, where CK hit 4 TD passes
there was a period when CK was a force, it took a season for NFL Ds to figure out what was going on, and put a halt to it
Alex wasn't a gimmick QB like that with Reid, or a flash in the pan, he evolved into a really darn good QB

no he didn't lol

he made 3 PBs in KC, after none in SF, Reid played a big role there, his best seasons were in KC

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Smith played it safe.. a little too safe.. which makes him expendable

Agreed again. Captain checkdown. Good, and consistent, enough to get you some wins but almost always ran into a wall against the better defensive teams.

Going on a Super Bowl run in '12 and replacing him at the same time is still my favorite season in the York era. It was so exciting. Just too bad the franchise effectively imploded very quickly following it… which I think has colored the Kaepernick-Smith arguments in retrospect.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Harbaugh did that also with CK

ah yes the 'monsoon' game, where CK hit 4 TD passes
there was a period when CK was a force, it took a season for NFL Ds to figure out what was going on, and put a halt to it
Alex wasn't a gimmick QB like that with Reid, or a flash in the pan, he evolved into a really darn good QB

no he didn't lol

he made 3 PBs in KC, after none in SF, Reid played a big role there, his best seasons were in KC

PBA, after all the real PB QBs decided not to play

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
since Mahomes say he can't read defenses and most of his plays are ad lib he should be decent with any coach

Reid hardly has to do anything now.. insert ring around the rosie play

Reid is one of the great coaches, particularly O coaches, in history. Dude went into Gillette vs prime Brady / Belichick and curb stomped with Alex Smith. As someone who watched the entire Alex SF career, it just blew my mind, still does.

Harbaugh did that also with CK

ah yes the 'monsoon' game, where CK hit 4 TD passes
there was a period when CK was a force, it took a season for NFL Ds to figure out what was going on, and put a halt to it
Alex wasn't a gimmick QB like that with Reid, or a flash in the pan, he evolved into a really darn good QB

no he didn't lol

he made 3 PBs in KC, after none in SF, Reid played a big role there, his best seasons were in KC

PBA, after all the real PB QBs decided not to play

more than what he did in SF, he went from conservative game manager, to 4k passing QB he was drafted to be, by getting on the Andy Reid train
so it's about unlocking more than a guy has done before, that's what we are attempting and we will see how good KS does, with Sam Darnold

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
more than what he did in SF, he went from conservative game manager, to 4k passing QB he was drafted to be, by getting on the Andy Reid train
so it's about unlocking more than a guy has done before, that's what we are attempting and we will see how good KS does, with Sam Darnold

Production is also about surrounding talent. Smith passed for 4k yards one time as a Chief (In 2017. Every other season was 3500 or less) with players like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as his primary threats. These are vastly superior weapons to what he had in SF under Harbaugh.

His reward was to be promptly replaced the following offseason, following yet another offensive brick in the playoffs, and the team's offense exploded with a legitimately great QB.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
more than what he did in SF, he went from conservative game manager, to 4k passing QB he was drafted to be, by getting on the Andy Reid train
so it's about unlocking more than a guy has done before, that's what we are attempting and we will see how good KS does, with Sam Darnold

Production is also about surrounding talent. Smith passed for 4k yards one time as a Chief (In 2017. Every other season was 3500 or less) with players like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as his primary threats. These are vastly superior weapons to what he had in SF under Harbaugh.

His reward was to be promptly replaced the following offseason, following yet another offensive brick in the playoffs, and the team's offense exploded with a legitimately great QB.

My point is that Alex looked best in KC vs SF. Do you dispute? If you say he looked better in SF, you would have to specify 2011-12, and even then Alex got benched, right?

Hill, his first year as starter was 2017. Alex got to KC in 2013. Dwayne Bowe and Dexter McCluster were his initial receivers, they would add Jeremy Maclin, before getting Hill later in the Alex tenure. Kelce was a part of it too, sure. Harbaugh took Alex up a notch, and Reid another notch, is my take. We will see if KS and our surrounding talent, does anything for Sam.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
more than what he did in SF, he went from conservative game manager, to 4k passing QB he was drafted to be, by getting on the Andy Reid train
so it's about unlocking more than a guy has done before, that's what we are attempting and we will see how good KS does, with Sam Darnold

Production is also about surrounding talent. Smith passed for 4k yards one time as a Chief (In 2017. Every other season was 3500 or less) with players like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as his primary threats. These are vastly superior weapons to what he had in SF under Harbaugh.

His reward was to be promptly replaced the following offseason, following yet another offensive brick in the playoffs, and the team's offense exploded with a legitimately great QB.

My point is that Alex looked best in KC vs SF. Do you dispute? If you say he looked better in SF, you would have to specify 2011-12, and even then Alex got benched, right?

Hill, his first year as starter was 2017. Alex got to KC in 2013. Dwayne Bowe and Dexter McCluster were his initial receivers, they would add Jeremy Maclin, before getting Hill later in the Alex tenure. Kelce was a part of it too, sure. Harbaugh took Alex up a notch, and Reid another notch, is my take. We will see if KS and our surrounding talent, does anything for Sam.

he had better stats individually, but that is not saying much for the QB position

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My point is that Alex looked best in KC vs SF. Do you dispute? If you say he looked better in SF, you would have to specify 2011-12, and even then Alex got benched, right?

Hill, his first year as starter was 2017. Alex got to KC in 2013. Dwayne Bowe and Dexter McCluster were his initial receivers, they would add Jeremy Maclin, before getting Hill later in the Alex tenure. Kelce was a part of it too, sure. Harbaugh took Alex up a notch, and Reid another notch, is my take. We will see if KS and our surrounding talent, does anything for Sam.

Of course I'm only talking about Smith here under Harbaugh.

My opinion is that he was the same player. He protected the ball and took safe completions to a fault, consistently. He did not improve individually under Reid. He had better production, not by much really outside of 2017, because he was in a better system with talent better suited to his strengths. Put a Jamaal Charles type receiving threat in the backfield for the Harbaugh Niners and Smith probably adds a few touchdowns. Same exact guy though.