49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk why anyone blames kyle for the loss to the eagles.

you can't win a football game, especially against a very good team, if you can't throw the ball. lol so much of our offenses success is derived from misdirection - you're very predictable when everyone knows you can't pass. Lol

so disheartening tonight :/ this is my first time on here or looking at anything football since third quarter of the NFCC. I haven't seen or read one thing since that game, including the super bowl. Very glad the eagles lost though! Go Walsh Coaching Tree!

I think it's more about fans being upset because our QBs always seem to be Injured under Kyle.

Bad luck or bad protection? Who knows.

We'll see how things play out next season.

I didn't see any ask on Mahomes to hold the ball for shot plays to develop downfield, I think Reid saw what happened in the NFCCG and said let's frustrate those rushers with wide runs, quick passes, etc. They won't be able to get home and it's demoralizing when it's 2nd half and you are getting beat up all day with no time to get to the quarterback. It took a toll.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I did not say that they were not running the ball on the 1st drive. Where did I say that? I just stated that they made adjustments to their run game as well to take advantage of the eagles overcommitment/overaggressiveness.

I never said it was some drastic change. Subtle changes can and do make all the difference in a game of inches.

I mean I feel like the eagles were being just as aggressive on that first drive…I'm just going off what I watched live. They were running the ball well. I haven't watched much again

I totally agree with your last part. My whole point is when people bring up second half adjustments I kinda roll my eyes because I don't think it's some crazy change. I think it's something that changes throughout the game play to play. Not some massive thing after a half time speech or whatever.

You just won't admit that you are wrong about "coaches" making in game and halftime adjustments. I gave you examples in the game last night that clearly showed adjustments based on the way the eagles were playing the chiefs offense. The chiefs took advantage of the eagles overaggressiveness in the 2nd half.

Here is another example of a halftime adjustment for you. Chiefs RB's collectively had 4 carries for 26 yards in the 1st half and 16 carries for 88 yards in the 2nd half. The chiefs offense had exactly 4 drives in each half. CLEAR ADJUSTMENT.

Is this less complicated for you to understand? Because I think what I was explaining to you previously must have been a little too much for you to comprehend.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I didn't see any ask on Mahomes to hold the ball for shot plays to develop downfield, I think Reid saw what happened in the NFCCG and said let's frustrate those rushers with wide runs, quick passes, etc. They won't be able to get home and it's demoralizing when it's 2nd half and you are getting beat up all day with no time to get to the quarterback. It took a toll.

wish we could have had a QB in the NFCC to see how the game plan would have went…Brock has 3 pretty quick passes before the injury.

Still a choker but we can do worse.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You just won't admit that you are wrong about "coaches" making in game and halftime adjustments. I gave you examples in the game last night that clearly showed adjustments based on the way the eagles were playing the chiefs offense. The chiefs took advantage of the eagles overaggressiveness in the 2nd half.

Here is another example of a halftime adjustment for you. Chiefs RB's collectively had 4 carries for 26 yards in the 1st half and 16 carries for 88 yards in the 2nd half. The chiefs offense had exactly 4 drives in each half. CLEAR ADJUSTMENT.

Is this less complicated for you to understand? Because I think what I was explaining to you previously must have been a little too much for you to comprehend.

No I won't admit I'm wrong because I don't think I am and I have listened/read from multiple former players saying the whole second half adjustment stuff is overblown. It's a gradual change based on what's going on play to play.

Lol you call me for not reading…I SAID one of the drives in the first half was dead on 2nd down. You get a holding call it changes the play call. You fumble the ball for a 9 yard loss that changes the play calls.

Again go look at the FIRST drive of the game and tell me what was drastically different then their first drive in the second half. My god dude, there's situational awareness of what's going on…down/distance and what the defense is showing. You think the defense isn't changing anything all the same? What they can't make adjustments, only the offense?

Don't be a dick about it. I simply disagree.

Originally posted by niners94:
Still a choker but we can do worse.

Still got 14 years of choking to catch up to Reid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You just won't admit that you are wrong about "coaches" making in game and halftime adjustments. I gave you examples in the game last night that clearly showed adjustments based on the way the eagles were playing the chiefs offense. The chiefs took advantage of the eagles overaggressiveness in the 2nd half.

Here is another example of a halftime adjustment for you. Chiefs RB's collectively had 4 carries for 26 yards in the 1st half and 16 carries for 88 yards in the 2nd half. The chiefs offense had exactly 4 drives in each half. CLEAR ADJUSTMENT.

Is this less complicated for you to understand? Because I think what I was explaining to you previously must have been a little too much for you to comprehend.

No I won't admit I'm wrong because I don't think I am and I have listened/read from multiple former players saying the whole second half adjustment stuff is overblown. It's a gradual change based on what's going on play to play.

Lol you call me for not reading…I SAID one of the drives in the first half was dead on 2nd down. You get a holding call it changes the play call. You fumble the ball for a 9 yard loss that changes the play calls.

Again go look at the FIRST drive of the game and tell me what was drastically different then their first drive in the second half. My god dude, there's situational awareness of what's going on…down/distance and what the defense is showing. You think the defense isn't changing anything all the same? What they can't make adjustments, only the offense?

Don't be a dick about it. I simply disagree.

So what you are saying is that no matter how many examples I give you from the game last night, you will disregard them all simply because you disagree and there is no changing your mind? Got it.

Also, you are taking that halftime locker room thing way out of context. The players are right. The coaches aren't going into the locker room at halftime and addressing the players and completely changing their gameplan. But to think that coaches, at least the best of them, aren't making in game adjustments based on how the game is going and what the opposition is doing is just silly. ADJUSTMENTS ARE A PART OF THE GAME because you cannot forsee the future during the week of gameplanning and install. The best coaches in the league can ADJUST on the fly.

Yes there were adjustments and Andy dialed them up 2nd half. But there was something else he did that i wish kyle would have done. Simply put, that is he protected his QB, his most important player on the field. Mahomes got hit twice while scrambling but no sacks against a team with 80 of them for the yr. So Andy's #1 coaching job was to protect his QB.

Flip back to NFCC game and twice early on the RT was pulled for blocking downfield and a TE, Kroft…not Kittle…was left to block Reddick. The first time he just hit Brock. The 2nd time while kyle was scheming downfield blocking and the RT pulled, the TE was again left to protect Brock and he failed. The last strip sack ended Brock's year and our ours as well.

So ,much as i like kyle,, was his scheming of blockers (RT) pulling for downfield blocking , the reason that a 3rd string TE was left to block Reddick?
i don't know if that is what happened, but that is what it seemed. If so, then kyle got way ahead of himself and forgot the most important scheme of all….adequate blocking for his Qb.

Somebody please tell me that I am wrong. It could have been kyle just didn't appreciate how good, strong and fast Reddick was…but against the Eagles the Chiefs OL protected their QB, and our OL didnt… in the retrospectoscope, it sure seemed that kyle should have been maximally concerned with QB protection and not so interested in scheming one play to set up another.

Obviously, KC's OL could have been better than ours. But leaving a TE to block Reddick? Coach has to rethink that one in the future before scheming any plays.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Yes there were adjustments and Andy dialed them up 2nd half. But there was something else he did that i wish kyle would have done. Simply put, that is he protected his QB, his most important player on the field. Mahomes got hit twice while scrambling but no sacks against a team with 80 of them for the yr. So Andy's #1 coaching job was to protect his QB.

Flip back to NFCC game and twice early on the RT was pulled for blocking downfield and a TE, Kroft…not Kittle…was left to block Reddick. The first time he just hit Brock. The 2nd time while kyle was scheming downfield blocking and the RT pulled, the TE was again left to protect Brock and he failed. The last strip sack ended Brock's year and our ours as well.

So ,much as i like kyle,, was his scheming of blockers (RT) pulling for downfield blocking , the reason that a 3rd string TE was left to block Reddick?
i don't know if that is what happened, but that is what it seemed. If so, then kyle got way ahead of himself and forgot the most important scheme of all….adequate blocking for his Qb.

Somebody please tell me that I am wrong. It could have been kyle just didn't appreciate how good, strong and fast Reddick was…but against the Eagles the Chiefs OL protected their QB, and our OL didnt… in the retrospectoscope, it sure seemed that kyle should have been maximally concerned with QB protection and not so interested in scheming one play to set up another.

Obviously, KC's OL could have been better than ours. But leaving a TE to block Reddick? Coach has to rethink that one in the future before scheming any plays.

Andy Reid had a backup TE block Reddick in the game last night. I think McKinnon was tasked with blocking him on a play as well. Its only a bad idea if Kyle does it and it doesn't work. If it did work, no one would even notice just like millions of fans last night didn't notice.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So what you are saying is that no matter how many examples I give you from the game last night, you will disregard them all simply because you disagree and there is no changing your mind? Got it.

Also, you are taking that halftime locker room thing way out of context. The players are right. The coaches aren't going into the locker room at halftime and addressing the players and completely changing their gameplan. But to think that coaches, at least the best of them, aren't making in game adjustments based on how the game is going and what the opposition is doing is just silly. ADJUSTMENTS ARE A PART OF THE GAME because you cannot forsee the future during the week of gameplanning and install. The best coaches in the league can ADJUST on the fly.

I don't see your examples as actual proof of anything. I actually don't think we're on opposite sides of any of this. My whole point is I do not believe in the drastic second half adjustment stuff. s**t changes play to play down to down.

they spend all week game planning and watching hours of film…they have a set of plays that they install during the week and run, whether it's a series or more. They then grow off that based on what the defense is showing down/distance score injuries etc.

again I don't think it's a first half vs second half stuff. I just hate the term second half adjustments.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Yes there were adjustments and Andy dialed them up 2nd half. But there was something else he did that i wish kyle would have done. Simply put, that is he protected his QB, his most important player on the field. Mahomes got hit twice while scrambling but no sacks against a team with 80 of them for the yr. So Andy's #1 coaching job was to protect his QB.

Flip back to NFCC game and twice early on the RT was pulled for blocking downfield and a TE, Kroft…not Kittle…was left to block Reddick. The first time he just hit Brock. The 2nd time while kyle was scheming downfield blocking and the RT pulled, the TE was again left to protect Brock and he failed. The last strip sack ended Brock's year and our ours as well.

So ,much as i like kyle,, was his scheming of blockers (RT) pulling for downfield blocking , the reason that a 3rd string TE was left to block Reddick?
i don't know if that is what happened, but that is what it seemed. If so, then kyle got way ahead of himself and forgot the most important scheme of all….adequate blocking for his Qb.

Somebody please tell me that I am wrong. It could have been kyle just didn't appreciate how good, strong and fast Reddick was…but against the Eagles the Chiefs OL protected their QB, and our OL didnt… in the retrospectoscope, it sure seemed that kyle should have been maximally concerned with QB protection and not so interested in scheming one play to set up another.

Obviously, KC's OL could have been better than ours. But leaving a TE to block Reddick? Coach has to rethink that one in the future before scheming any plays.

SF had the 10 overall PBLK DVOA OL according to football outsiders.

like YAC said, Reid literally had a backup TE blocking Reddick last night…that's Mahomes with a high ankle issue. He also had RBs one on one vs him as well.

that Brock play has nothing to do with scheme. Brock needs to be better there. He's needed to understand his protection and have better pocket awareness. Mahomes is elite there

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So what you are saying is that no matter how many examples I give you from the game last night, you will disregard them all simply because you disagree and there is no changing your mind? Got it.

Also, you are taking that halftime locker room thing way out of context. The players are right. The coaches aren't going into the locker room at halftime and addressing the players and completely changing their gameplan. But to think that coaches, at least the best of them, aren't making in game adjustments based on how the game is going and what the opposition is doing is just silly. ADJUSTMENTS ARE A PART OF THE GAME because you cannot forsee the future during the week of gameplanning and install. The best coaches in the league can ADJUST on the fly.

I don't see your examples as actual proof of anything. I actually don't think we're on opposite sides of any of this. My whole point is I do not believe in the drastic second half adjustment stuff. s**t changes play to play down to down.

they spend all week game planning and watching hours of film…they have a set of plays that they install during the week and run, whether it's a series or more. They then grow off that based on what the defense is showing down/distance score injuries etc.

again I don't think it's a first half vs second half stuff. I just hate the term second half adjustments.

That is because you made your stance and nothing, not even something as noticeable for a casual fan as the discepancy in run plays called between the 1st half and the 2nd half, is going to change that.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Andy Reid had a backup TE block Reddick in the game last night. I think McKinnon was tasked with blocking him on a play as well. Its only a bad idea if Kyle does it and it doesn't work. If it did work, no one would even notice just like millions of fans last night didn't notice.

At what point in the game though? Was it on the first drive when the defenders are hyped up and flying around? Or did he do it after he got them on their heels a little?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is because you made your stance and nothing, not even something as noticeable for a casual fan as the discepancy in run plays called between the 1st half and the 2nd half, is going to change that.

I look at that first drive (which resulted in an TD) and I don't see some drastic difference in play calling on their first drive coming out of halftime.

I will also say I haven't seen clips after the fact, just watching the game live

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Andy Reid had a backup TE block Reddick in the game last night. I think McKinnon was tasked with blocking him on a play as well. Its only a bad idea if Kyle does it and it doesn't work. If it did work, no one would even notice just like millions of fans last night didn't notice.

At what point in the game though? Was it on the first drive when the defenders are hyped up and flying around? Or did he do it after he got them on their heels a little?

It was literally Mahomes first throw of the game