49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you are saying that when Kyle uses scripted plays and then adjusts based on the looks and reaction of the defense, its not really an adjustment? Because adjustments are overblown?

I will give you an example since you keep pressing for one. In the 1st half of the game last night, the chiefs were running a lot of those crossing routes. In the 2nd half they were faking those crossers and having their receivers cut back the other way after the eagles defenders started to overcommit. They also used the eagles overaggressiveness against them in the run game in the 2nd half as well. Those were clearly made halftime adjustments that lead to more sustained drives and more points scored in the 2nd half.

So they didn't run the ball on those two long drives in the first half? They didn't run any crossing routes to Kelce in the first?

I didn't see much of anything change "all of a sudden" when they stepped into the second half. They simply didn't have the ball much in the 1st half. They had one drive get killed because of a holding penalty and fumble.

like I said it was the flow of the fame. Their defense couldn't get the eagles off the field. Their first drive of the game didn't look much different then their first drive in the second half.

so no I'll disagree that there was some massive adjustments made at half time. Overall I think that term is overblown and a lot of former players back up that take. It's a flow throughout the game that create adjustments, not a half time and changing everything all at once. Just my opinion on it

Wow! Say you didn't read what I posted without saying that you didn't read what I posted.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think the difference is Andy calls that route to hit at that moment, whereas Aiyuks route just happened to win on that play

Haha oh okay.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Of course they were blown coverages. They were blown coverages due to scheme and adjustments. If you can get a defense to overcommit to what you are doing, you can counter it which leads to big gaping holes in coverage just like we saw.

I'm not gonna pretend to know the coverage they were running and where the DB was suppose to be. Im not saying he didn't call up great plays there. Reid is an amazing coach. Walk in TDs are what you want…part of the reason for stuff like that is bad execution as well.

Yes. Bad execution by overcommited and over-aggressive linebackers and safeties.

Question.. does KS ever do x's and o's film with media? For example, Belichick for years did a post game x's and o's breakdown with local media on his games each week it was great to get his insights on every play, what they are trying to do, so forth. Any Kyle film breakdowns like this from KS himself that I am missing out on?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Wow! Say you didn't read what I posted without saying that you didn't read what I posted.

I did read your part on the crossers incorrect…Were they not running the ball on that first drive?

again it's all about flow. If you try a deep shot on 1st down, miss it, then get behind the chains because of a hold and fumble…there is no adjustments. That's just a s**t drive. They had one other 3 and out and the other two drives were a TD and a missed FG.

I look at the first drive and the first drive of the second half and it's not some vastly different thing imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think the difference is Andy calls that route to hit at that moment, whereas Aiyuks route just happened to win on that play

Haha oh okay.

It was obvious who the first read was on those plays and what Andy was trying to attack. If Kyle recognized what Andy did he should have called a play where Aiyuk was the #1 in the flats. He obviously did not scheme it up quite like Andy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Those blown coverages in the RZ was a coaching masterclass, PHI has a good secondary and they got played like fools, rarely see ppl that wide open in condensed field goal line situation. That wasn't Mahomes pretty sure any QB could have hit those TD passes, even guys on the WZ lol. Wide open.

When Aiyuk does that on the goal line the ball goes to a double covered Kittle in the back of the endzone.

Yup lol I was pretty hot about that one I posted about it all week.. pretty sure we all saw that one the same, except 5GR, who thought the throw to a doubled Kittle was 'the right decision'

That was Jimmy right?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Wow! Say you didn't read what I posted without saying that you didn't read what I posted.

I did read your part on the crossers incorrect…Were they not running the ball on that first drive?

again it's all about flow. If you try a deep shot on 1st down, miss it, then get behind the chains because of a hold and fumble…there is no adjustments. That's just a s**t drive. They had one other 3 and out and the other two drives were a TD and a missed FG.

I look at the first drive and the first drive of the second half and it's not some vastly different thing imo.

I did not say that they were not running the ball on the 1st drive. Where did I say that? I just stated that they made adjustments to their run game as well to take advantage of the eagles overcommitment/overaggressiveness.

I never said it was some drastic change. Subtle changes can and do make all the difference in a game of inches.

Idk why anyone blames kyle for the loss to the eagles.

you can't win a football game, especially against a very good team, if you can't throw the ball. lol so much of our offenses success is derived from misdirection - you're very predictable when everyone knows you can't pass. Lol

so disheartening tonight :/ this is my first time on here or looking at anything football since third quarter of the NFCC. I haven't seen or read one thing since that game, including the super bowl. Very glad the eagles lost though! Go Walsh Coaching Tree!

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
KC started running more in the second half. I think they made some minor adjustments after they saw what the eagles were doing.

119 of their 158 rush yards came In the 2nd half, so that definitely played a part as to why the Chiefs looked much better offensively In the 2nd half

So much talk about how dominant that Eagles DL Is going into the super bowl, only for Andy Reid and the Chiefs to puts up almost 40 points and not allow a single sack.

That's the definition of an "offensive" genius.

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Those blown coverages in the RZ was a coaching masterclass, PHI has a good secondary and they got played like fools, rarely see ppl that wide open in condensed field goal line situation. That wasn't Mahomes pretty sure any QB could have hit those TD passes, even guys on the WZ lol. Wide open.

When Aiyuk does that on the goal line the ball goes to a double covered Kittle in the back of the endzone.

Yup lol I was pretty hot about that one I posted about it all week.. pretty sure we all saw that one the same, except 5GR, who thought the throw to a doubled Kittle was 'the right decision'

That was Jimmy right?

Yup BA was hopping mad.. we won the game going away I think so in the end just something to work on for next time, I'm sure they all saw the film

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk why anyone blames kyle for the loss to the eagles.

you can't win a football game, especially against a very good team, if you can't throw the ball. lol so much of our offenses success is derived from misdirection - you're very predictable when everyone knows you can't pass. Lol

so disheartening tonight :/ this is my first time on here or looking at anything football since third quarter of the NFCC. I haven't seen or read one thing since that game, including the super bowl. Very glad the eagles lost though! Go Walsh Coaching Tree!

I think it's more about fans being upset because our QBs always seem to be Injured under Kyle.

Bad luck or bad protection? Who knows.

We'll see how things play out next season.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I did not say that they were not running the ball on the 1st drive. Where did I say that? I just stated that they made adjustments to their run game as well to take advantage of the eagles overcommitment/overaggressiveness.

I never said it was some drastic change. Subtle changes can and do make all the difference in a game of inches.

I mean I feel like the eagles were being just as aggressive on that first drive…I'm just going off what I watched live. They were running the ball well. I haven't watched much again

I totally agree with your last part. My whole point is when people bring up second half adjustments I kinda roll my eyes because I don't think it's some crazy change. I think it's something that changes throughout the game play to play. Not some massive thing after a half time speech or whatever.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
KC started running more in the second half. I think they made some minor adjustments after they saw what the eagles were doing.

119 of their 158 rush yards came In the 2nd half, so that definitely played a part as to why the Chiefs looked much better offensively In the 2nd half

So much talk about how dominant that Eagles DL Is going into the super bowl, only for Andy Reid and the Chiefs to puts up almost 40 points and not allow a single sack.

That's the definition of an "offensive" genius.

Yup, give Reid two weeks and it's a problem, KC had PHI way out coached. They have time to look at everything you ran all season and put in the counters.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It was obvious who the first read was on those plays and what Andy was trying to attack. If Kyle recognized what Andy did he should have called a play where Aiyuk was the #1 in the flats. He obviously did not scheme it up quite like Andy

I can't remember exactly what that play was…was BA not the first read (suppose to be the first read). we've definitely seen players wide open in the RZ with kyle as well.