49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Is this particular play posted anywhere?
I need to see it---I'm not sure it's fair to critique a play where receivers are condensed into one area. My assumption is there's an overload concept where they flood a zone with multiple receivers and the defender can only cover one, or they're creating traffic (like the Rams' Higbee drop).

We have to borrow that route. It essentially created an explosion of bodies in the middle of the field with one guy running past them wide open for what certainly could have been a TD.

Agreed. I can totally see Kittle picking up an 80 yard TD on that kind of play.

No doubt. Kittle would be laughing and running at the same time.

where do you guys think mcvay got it from ? lol

This is a play from 2017 (Kyle). I know we are talking about TEs, but this can be done for CMC. Same idea, bunch it up and create picks versus man.

that will be nice ^^

i remember we used to run kittle under the OL and over on that route.. mcvay likes to use our plays against us

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Is this particular play posted anywhere?
I need to see it---I'm not sure it's fair to critique a play where receivers are condensed into one area. My assumption is there's an overload concept where they flood a zone with multiple receivers and the defender can only cover one, or they're creating traffic (like the Rams' Higbee drop).

We have to borrow that route. It essentially created an explosion of bodies in the middle of the field with one guy running past them wide open for what certainly could have been a TD.

Agreed. I can totally see Kittle picking up an 80 yard TD on that kind of play.

No doubt. Kittle would be laughing and running at the same time.

where do you guys think mcvay got it from ? lol

This is a play from 2017 (Kyle). I know we are talking about TEs, but this can be done for CMC. Same idea, bunch it up and create picks versus man.

that will be nice ^^

i remember we used to run kittle under the OL and over on that route.. mcvay likes to use our plays against us

LOL. It looks like a bomb went off in the middle of the field.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Is this particular play posted anywhere?
I need to see it---I'm not sure it's fair to critique a play where receivers are condensed into one area. My assumption is there's an overload concept where they flood a zone with multiple receivers and the defender can only cover one, or they're creating traffic (like the Rams' Higbee drop).

We have to borrow that route. It essentially created an explosion of bodies in the middle of the field with one guy running past them wide open for what certainly could have been a TD.

Agreed. I can totally see Kittle picking up an 80 yard TD on that kind of play.

No doubt. Kittle would be laughing and running at the same time.

where do you guys think mcvay got it from ? lol

This is a play from 2017 (Kyle). I know we are talking about TEs, but this can be done for CMC. Same idea, bunch it up and create picks versus man.

that will be nice ^^

i remember we used to run kittle under the OL and over on that route.. mcvay likes to use our plays against us

LOL. It looks like a bomb went off in the middle of the field.

warner screwed up the pick 6.. what was he doing lol

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Rewatch that play. Ramsey had to high point that ball in order to tip it and it fell harmlessly to the turf. Ramsey really had no shot at intercepting it inspite of what the announcer said during the broadcast.

Well regardless if Ramsey had a real shot to intercept the ball or not, my point was that these strange plays where everything is condensed into one area is not helping Jimmy.

I feel like it's only fair that I point that out.

With how high that ball was thrown, Jimmy was targeting either CMC or Kittle. Its hard to tell because of how quickly the ball was thrown what routes those 2 were supposed to run. Wilson on the other hand ran his route too deep.

Is this particular play posted anywhere?
I need to see it---I'm not sure it's fair to critique a play where receivers are condensed into one area. My assumption is there's an overload concept where they flood a zone with multiple receivers and the defender can only cover one, or they're creating traffic (like the Rams' Higbee drop).

We have to borrow that route. It essentially created an explosion of bodies in the middle of the field with one guy running past them wide open for what certainly could have been a TD.

Agreed. I can totally see Kittle picking up an 80 yard TD on that kind of play.

No doubt. Kittle would be laughing and running at the same time.

where do you guys think mcvay got it from ? lol

This is a play from 2017 (Kyle). I know we are talking about TEs, but this can be done for CMC. Same idea, bunch it up and create picks versus man.

that will be nice ^^

i remember we used to run kittle under the OL and over on that route.. mcvay likes to use our plays against us

LOL. It looks like a bomb went off in the middle of the field.

warner screwed up the pick 6.. what was he doing lol

Looks like Warner was telling Jimmy Ward(I think its him) early enough to move to the outside, but Jimmy ward blows another play, luckily they didnt catch the ball ?

Originally posted by thl408:
This is a play from 2017 (Kyle). I know we are talking about TEs, but this can be done for CMC. Same idea, bunch it up and create picks versus man.
Although what McVay did was even more obvious. The three WRs in the bunch didn't run routes, they simply created a wall.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Looks like Warner was telling Jimmy Ward(I think its him) early enough to move to the outside, but Jimmy ward blows another play, luckily they didnt catch the ball ?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle looked so refreshed when he was like no injury to report lol.....its like he gained 10 years of youth.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle looked so refreshed when he was like no injury to report lol.....its like he gained 10 years of youth.

im sure knowing he has CMC back there to pair with Deebo and Kittle feels pretty good to. laying a beating on his gf mcvay mustve been fun too lol

Originally posted by Niners816:
Theres endless possibilities.....just gotta keep him healthy.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Theres endless possibilities.....just gotta keep him healthy.

My exact thoughts!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Theres endless possibilities.....just gotta keep him healthy.

My exact thoughts!

what happened to "No Thanks" to CMC ?

Originally posted by hummbabybear:
Shanahan disciples Saleh & McDaniel are doing well at a combined 10-6. A very good start to his coaching tree. Side note: Baalke spent a ton in free agency this year and it hasn't translated to wins.