49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my f**king coach

I f**king love my coach

he said he "cant think of any one person that stood out"....dafuq? No props to CMC who had a signature game?

I think it was implied, as CMC's trajectory was so far off the charts it wasn't even visible.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my f**king coach

I f**king love my coach

he said he "cant think of any one person that stood out"....dafuq? No props to CMC who had a signature game?

When you have the expectation that Kyle answers to you or your interpretations?

I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

PS: The winning formula is pass to set up the run, CMC featured, CMC as a regular outlet for Jimmy, spread the ball evenly, health and adjusting quicker on defense esp. to teams who've exploited you before with the same concepts (KC/Chiefs/Mobile QB's).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

You're so salty Jimmy played well. LOL. Plus Stafford got worked again so 9ers4eva and you had a really rough day. We're here to get you through it though! LOL

Yeah, Jimmy mentioned he and Kittle's communication was off on that one but I wasn't sure what Jimmy was expecting him to do there? He sat down thinking it was a blitz? Keep going with the route? Either way that was Bad Jimmy there on the throw.

Perspective:

Shanahan is 9-3 vs McVay, 34-43 vs everyone else
McVay is 3-9 vs Shanahan, 55-21 vs everyone else

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

You're so salty Jimmy played well. LOL. Plus Stafford got worked again so 9ers4eva and you had a really rough day. We're here to get you through it though! LOL

Yeah, Jimmy mentioned he and Kittle's communication was off on that one but I wasn't sure what Jimmy was expecting him to do there? He sat down thinking it was a blitz? Keep going with the route? Either way that was Bad Jimmy there on the throw.

so you go on about cleaning things up and agree with me on jimmy on this play and you calling me salty lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

You're so salty Jimmy played well. LOL. Plus Stafford got worked again so 9ers4eva and you had a really rough day. We're here to get you through it though! LOL

Yeah, Jimmy mentioned he and Kittle's communication was off on that one but I wasn't sure what Jimmy was expecting him to do there? He sat down thinking it was a blitz? Keep going with the route? Either way that was Bad Jimmy there on the throw.

so you go on about cleaning things up and agree with me on jimmy on this play and you calling me salty lol

I still haven't seen you post a positive thing on Jimmy's play!

If I missed it, apologies.

I'm mostly playing...but yes, definitely agree with you on that one for sure.

Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

And the CMC receiving TD was improvised too.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

And the CMC receiving TD was improvised too.

Yes. It was also Jimmy's 3rd or 4th read on the play.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone who cannot give Jimmy credit for both the Kittle and CMC TD passes have blinders on.

Jimmy basically had at least one play to satisfy every fan's Good Jimmy Wishlist.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've been pretty adamant in saying that I think the criticism of Kyle's coaching has been overblown in recent weeks. When you consider the horrible QB play vs Denver, the drops and penalties vs Atlanta, and the extensive execution errors vs KC.

But wanted to acknowledge that we still have some issues with some of our route concepts. If you go back and watch the first pass that Ramsey broke up yesterday, there were three WRs in the same area. I don't think we know if that's being coached or some players are just running the wrong routes, but we have seen this problem too often. And that does fall on KS to get that cleaned up.

So while I disagree that execution falls on coaching. There's certainly too many strange route concepts that condense the field and forces extremely risky passes by Jimmy. We saw some strange route concepts last week that were pointed out by Kurt Warner.

IMO Kyle's a far bigger asset than Jimmy is a QB. But Kyle has to eliminate these plays which forces Jimmy into bad decisions. I never thought Kyle was without criticism this season, but I think the route concept thing, his lack of attention to the OL, and clock management are still important issues, even if I believe Kyle's a very good offensive coach.

I think this could be looked at as a glass half full situation. If we eliminate those plays where all our receivers are in the same area, especially with CMC being Jimmy's check down outlet, I think this offense could become even better. Kyle's clearly had more on his plate this season with several losses on his coaching staff, but I expect this offense to improve going forward.

This.

The 2nd half showed you what the team can do when playing complementary smart football together and executing at a high level.

But the team still hasn't done this for 4 full quarters.

What still needs to be cleaned up still showed up in the first half: key penalties, missing layups, pass protection mental breakdowns leading to free rushers, run blocking gaffes, miss communication between QB and WR, odd routes/concepts, inability to communicate an adjustment in-game like defending the screen pass, RZ offense, (slow starts/second half issues), etc.

Most of this comes down to coaching, details, discipline and execution.

If they clean these up, look out.

what needs cleaning is locking onto Kittle and forcing it no matter what (Ramsey INT drop)

haven't seen the film on the 3 guys in the area , but i doubt the primary is to that side

There were two plays where Ramsey almost had a pick. I'm talking about the first one. Jeff Wilson ran straight up the field and two other WRs were in the same area.

That's on Kyle IMO.

so the QB can't throw it away ?