49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

His eyes are there because he read blitz and knew that was his hot read. Against zero blitz that's where you go with the ball. Just like on Sunday.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
His eyes are there because he read blitz and knew that was his hot read. Against zero blitz that's where you go with the ball. Just like on Sunday.

K.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Gore:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.

Yup. NC has posted this quite a few times now. Even though it's proven over and over again that Kyle doesn't just run a 1 read scheme. There's progressions...

For the most part Kyle is not teaching Jimmy to just lock in on one guy and stare him down the whole time. There's times where Jimmy scans the field, but most often then not he doesn't. There are times when certain plays just have just one or two reads, but he makes it out seem like that's the majority of them.

LOL.

Good thing the WZ has All, 9ers4eva and Gore > Kurt Warner.

Who needs dudes like JD, Panelli and Warner???

Typical response from you. Deflect, deflect, deflect...

saying JD in the same sentence as Kurt Warner,....lol

How could the versus rhetoric be any more entertaining?

Name dropping > Distinguishing your point

So against zero blitz Kyle Shanahan wants Jimmy G to throw to Kittle at the back pylon instead of to the rb flaring out THE EXACT SAME WAY HE DID IN 2019. So much so that Jimmy HAS to do it and can't look to another option.

Why wouldn't Kyle dial up the play to Wilson then? He knows KC blitzes a ton.

Originally posted by Gore:
Yup. NC has posted this quite a few times now. Even though it's proven over and over again that Kyle doesn't just run a 1 read scheme. There's progressions...

For the most part Kyle is not teaching Jimmy to just lock in on one guy and stare him down the whole time. There's times where Jimmy scans the field, but most often then not he doesn't. There are times when certain plays just have just one or two reads, but he makes it out seem like that's the majority of them.

2019 Jimmy would read things too more often than not. The current version seems incapable of consistently doing it.

Teams should just keep blitzing the hell out of us to get Jimmy to throw balls up for grabs. God knows Brendel won't sight adjust the protections to them either.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So against zero blitz Kyle Shanahan wants Jimmy G to throw to Kittle at the back pylon instead of to the rb flaring out THE EXACT SAME WAY HE DID IN 2019. So much so that Jimmy HAS to do it and can't look to another option.

Why wouldn't Kyle dial up the play to Wilson then? He knows KC blitzes a ton.

KW even went to great lengths to explain why its better to have a hot route on the play side vs. back side esp. to guard against a zero blitz.

This isn't a JG issue. This will happen to Trey too. Like he said, this is a design/concept issue and it's even more compounded in both RZ's.

And yes, going to Kittle 1on1 in the corner of the EZ when the DB is shaded inside to guard against a slant is absolutely a good idea. It was the execution that was a train wreck.

Originally posted by NCommand:
KW even went to great lengths to explain why its better to have a hot route on the play side vs. back side esp. to guard against a zero blitz.

This isn't a JG issue. This will happen to Trey too. Like he said, this is a design/concept issue and it's even more compounded in both RZ's.

And yes, going to Kittle 1on1 in the corner of the EZ when the DB is shaded inside to guard against a slant is absolutely a good idea. It was the execution that was a train wreck.

Yet Wilson in 2019 wasn't on the play side.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
KW even went to great lengths to explain why its better to have a hot route on the play side vs. back side esp. to guard against a zero blitz.

This isn't a JG issue. This will happen to Trey too. Like he said, this is a design/concept issue and it's even more compounded in both RZ's.

And yes, going to Kittle 1on1 in the corner of the EZ when the DB is shaded inside to guard against a slant is absolutely a good idea. It was the execution that was a train wreck.

Yet Wilson in 2019 wasn't on the play side.

Lol. Wilson WAS the play. That's the difference.

Very different from last Sunday. Again, you don't need to listen to me. Just listen to the whole video. Start to finish. Numerous examples and rationale and why he's not a fan of some of Kyle's concepts and designs in the RZ and how to increase more options for the QB by making one design change.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Wilson WAS the play. That's the difference.

Very different from last Sunday. Again, you don't need to listen to me. Just listen to the whole video. Start to finish. Numerous examples and rationale and why he's not a fan of some of Kyle's concepts and designs in the RZ and how to increase more options for the QB by making one design change.

He was the play because Jimmy read zero blitz and adjusted. THATS the difference.

The design change that needs to be made is the QB to diagnose the damn play and adjust accordingly. If two guys are coming unblocked from the same side look the other way.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Wilson WAS the play. That's the difference.

Very different from last Sunday. Again, you don't need to listen to me. Just listen to the whole video. Start to finish. Numerous examples and rationale and why he's not a fan of some of Kyle's concepts and designs in the RZ and how to increase more options for the QB by making one design change.

Someone made a tweet or article a week ago about how more options won't necessarily make JG a better QB.

Alot of people called the article out,....but their point came across pretty strongly week 1 w/CMC. As we can say it would have when we brought Aiyuk in, et. al.

We would like to believe that more options makes JG more successful without giving due credence to how bogged his brain seems to become out there as we give him more and more options.

Context is everything, and you're not to just take KW's words and make blanket statements about the state of things here. His words are from the perspective of a player who became very adept at utilizing all of his options on the field.

And remember last year how you had Mack fixing everything for Jimmy G? How'd that turn out?

One offensive tackle, one center, one WR, now one RB and one design change. You've said or suggested all of these things, yet we still see a player that has (if anything) worsened during his time here.

When will you surrender this idea of making new alleys and outlets for him and simply accept that he's just a subpar player?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Wilson WAS the play. That's the difference.

Very different from last Sunday. Again, you don't need to listen to me. Just listen to the whole video. Start to finish. Numerous examples and rationale and why he's not a fan of some of Kyle's concepts and designs in the RZ and how to increase more options for the QB by making one design change.

He was the play because Jimmy read zero blitz and adjusted. THATS the difference.

The design change that needs to be made is the QB to diagnose the damn play and adjust accordingly. If two guys are coming unblocked from the same side look the other way.

OK, let's just say he nixed Kyle's design and went with Wilson as the hot read pre snap FTW. What KW is saying is in a 0 blitz you get one split second. You have to guess here. And in your Cards scenario, he guessed right.

You're saying he could have done the same thing on the INT. KW is saying if those 2 defenders bluff and back up, Wilson is covered and if Kittle pops open, he'll be equally scrutinized. You play the odds.

He didn't make a mistake here in his choice pre snap. He simply played the odds and stuck to Kyle's primary. And it TOO is a good option if he throws to the corner.

You have the benefit of Madden hindsight and he's playing within real-world scenarios. As KW illustrated. He also illustrated it on a flare to the backside to CMC. He knows fans don't get it.

We shouldn't be trading any players away imo!

The next time he has a good game (because he will),...can we point out all week long how he was just throwing to Kyle's primary reads all game long?

Just seems to be a huge void every week where the the offense seems decent. I mean this rhetoric is nowhere to be found. Only when we play bad does it get repeated ad nauseum.

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, let's just say he nixed Kyle's design and went with Wilson as the hot read pre snap FTW. What KW is saying is in a 0 blitz you get one split second. You have to guess here. And in your Cards scenario, he guessed right.

You're saying he could have done the same thing on the INT. KW is saying if those 2 defenders bluff and back up, Wilson is covered and if Kittle pops open, he'll be equally scrutinized. You play the odds.

He didn't make a mistake here in his choice pre snap. He simply played the odds and stuck to Kyle's primary. And it TOO is a good option if he throws to the corner.

You have the benefit of Madden hindsight and he's playing within real-world scenarios. As KW illustrated. He also illustrated it on a flare to the backside to CMC. He knows fans don't get it.

If they back out you have time to get back around and look to Kittle.

Those two defenders backing up actually are on the opposite side from Wilson anyway. It's why you key on Wilson's defender. Once you see him come it's an easy read.

What fans don't get is what Cosell talked about with Tom Tolbert. Players not executing is a far bigger issue then coaching. But blaming the coaches is far easier.