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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Gore:
So Jimmy isn't great bc of coaching?

Jimmy not being able to make the same play he made 3 years ago to win a game is apparently the coaches fault yes.
whats funny is that nothing is really different.. were just not executing the easy plays that got us through games.

What i and others noticed about his mistakes from the years prior are still being made, it's just now he can't execute the layups so it destroys any rhythm for the offense
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
whats funny is that nothing is really different.. were just not executing the easy plays that got us through games.

What i and others noticed about his mistakes from the years prior are still being made, it's just now he can't execute the layups so it destroys any rhythm for the offense

It's extremely frustrating to see. Right there with you
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Gore:
So Jimmy isn't great bc of coaching?

Jimmy not being able to make the same play he made 3 years ago to win a game is apparently the coaches fault yes.

That Texas route was the primary then. Kittle was the primary on that INT with Wilson running a choice route on the backside.

But if you watched the video that was clearly explained. So was the safety.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That Texas route was the primary then. Kittle was the primary on that INT with Wilson running a choice route on the backside.

But if you watched the video that was clearly explained. So was the safety.

The Texas route to the guy who had one career reception at that point and was a udfa rb? You really think Kyle designed a play with 36 seconds left for 2019 Jeff Wilson?

No dude, Jimmy correctly read blitz and looked straight for the quick hitter.

He even talks about it being zero blitz

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/130874-jimmy-garoppolo-great-look-49ers-game-winning-touchdown-wilson/
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
That Texas route was the primary then. Kittle was the primary on that INT with Wilson running a choice route on the backside.

But if you watched the video that was clearly explained. So was the safety.

The Texas route to the guy who had one career reception at that point and was a udfa rb? You really think Kyle designed a play with 36 seconds left for 2019 Jeff Wilson?

No dude, Jimmy correctly read blitz and looked straight for the quick hitter.

He even talks about it being zero blitz

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/130874-jimmy-garoppolo-great-look-49ers-game-winning-touchdown-wilson/

LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
That Texas route was the primary then. Kittle was the primary on that INT with Wilson running a choice route on the backside.

But if you watched the video that was clearly explained. So was the safety.

The Texas route to the guy who had one career reception at that point and was a udfa rb? You really think Kyle designed a play with 36 seconds left for 2019 Jeff Wilson?

No dude, Jimmy correctly read blitz and looked straight for the quick hitter.

He even talks about it being zero blitz

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/130874-jimmy-garoppolo-great-look-49ers-game-winning-touchdown-wilson/

LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

There is a very common tactic lately of sucking other posters into over-discussing who was the primary read or option on particular plays. In the grand scheme of things, it hardly matters very much, as the QB has the job of processing what's in front of him and adjusting on the fly.

Maybe someone else can better explain how whether player X or player Y was the primary target on such and such play sways ANYTHING said here one way or another very much?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.

Like All, clearly, you did not.
Originally posted by random49er:
There is a very common tactic lately of sucking other posters into over-discussing who was the primary read or option on particular plays. In the grand scheme of things, it hardly matters very much, as the QB has the job of processing what's in front of him and adjusting on the fly.

Maybe someone else can better explain how whether player X or player Y was the primary target on such and such play sways ANYTHING said here one way or another very much?

It doesn't. It's the qbs responsibility to read what the defense is doing and adjust as you said. When you read zero blitz you need to get to your quick route, ESPECIALLY when you know the o line is slanted away from the blitzes.

The minute he reads zero blitz he needs to be looking at Jeffs defender. Hell look left then come back even. When he sees him coming it's an easy play.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Like All, clearly, you did not.

So Jimmy is incapable of a pre snap read? Got it.

2019 Jimmy was certainly capable
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Petersen
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Like All, clearly, you did not.

So Jimmy is incapable of a pre snap read? Got it.

2019 Jimmy was certainly capable

"All I know is be ready when my number is called."

His number was called. He was the primary the whole way. Watch JG's head. Kyle dials this one up often with Wilson.



He was not the primary on the INT. Kittle was. KW explained coming off your primary to a backside receiver makes you a master ass if they bluff coverage and drop back and your primary to the play side is wide open. In a zero blitz you basically have to pick a side. JG stuck with the play sides as Kyle drew them up.
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 28, 2022 at 7:16 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.

Yup. NC has posted this quite a few times now. Even though it's proven over and over again that Kyle doesn't just run a 1 read scheme. There's progressions...

For the most part Kyle is not teaching Jimmy to just lock in on one guy and stare him down the whole time. There's times where Jimmy scans the field, but most often then not he doesn't. There are times when certain plays just have just one or two reads, but he makes it out seem like that's the majority of them.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

I'm praaaaaaying Kyle implements CMC as that outlet to the play side on every passing down where he's not a primary.

That would open up the passing game so much. You want to take away the middle of the field? Fine. We will just keep dumping it off to CMC in the flat off a delayed release out of the backfield. He can also chip on his way out.

Unsure about the "so much." If offense was as simple as doing 1 thing or another on every passing down, well, lol....

Let's just say teams adjust to you doing the same exact things down after down. Even a newfound "every play outlet" has to be processed by the QB, the player whom in our case isin't the best processor to begin with.
[ Edited by random49er on Oct 28, 2022 at 7:19 PM ]
Originally posted by Gore:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Go listen to KW again. He walks you through 2 examples of the backside outlet and how fans will screen, "But that guy was wide open over there!" Yup.

I listened to him. On both plays Jimmy needs to read blitz and go to the backside just like he did in 2019. It's his job to read the defense pre and post snap.

When the play was called in 2019 how would Kyle know it was zero blitz to know Jeff Wilson should be the primary?

You don't seem to understand that qbs are allowed to adjust who they throw to based on pre snap reads. That's what happened in 2019. Jimmy saw a look and adjusted accordingly. He misread things this week.

Yup. NC has posted this quite a few times now. Even though it's proven over and over again that Kyle doesn't just run a 1 read scheme. There's progressions...

For the most part Kyle is not teaching Jimmy to just lock in on one guy and stare him down the whole time. There's times where Jimmy scans the field, but most often then not he doesn't. There are times when certain plays just have just one or two reads, but he makes it out seem like that's the majority of them.

LOL.

Good thing the WZ has All, 9ers4eva and Gore > Kurt Warner.

Who needs dudes like JD, Panelli and Warner???
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