49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:


Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

Costanza, I can't thank you enough for posting this. This is probably the single best comprehensive breakdown of the systemic issues with our passing game I've seen to date.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

"I'll show you what I see on almost a weekly basis in the passing game." ~ Kurt Warner

Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals, Forcing)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

Throw in all the key drops and penalties on top of all these issues and you can see why Kurt Warner said, "The drop back pass game is not one of it's (Kyle's offense) strengths."

"I don't know what they teach him...I don't know what they are trying to do...sometimes in this offense, I feel a lot like, turn around, this guy is going to be open or find a guy open...I keep looking at it and I have no idea what we're trying to do here."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called and where on the field these are called by Kyle, but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

He also breakdowns the Kittle/Wilson INT and Safety and reiterates what I was saying in discussion with 49erFaithful6 yesterday.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

If you genuinely care about this team, these are the systemic issues we're seeing well beyond the QB position that no doubt, will extend to Trey Lance if these aren't fixed and fixed soon. It's a must-watch for any 49er fan, IMHO, and it's exactly in line with comprehensive breakdowns by Greg Panelli and our own, JD.

No problem. I wanted to share it with everyone after watching it…I learned so much listening to Kurt Warner break down all these issues that I feel like I'm way more informed now as it relates to the issues with this offense. Great job by Kurt Warner(who the Niners should probably hire as a consultant lol).

Hopefully Kyle sees this and can improve in these areas going forward or any QB for the Niners will struggle.

Thanks for the post. Will try to watch it tonight 👍🏻

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Tough to watch, but a fair analysis. I have to ask, what is Brian Griese doing? If it is me, I tell Grease "You stay with Jimmy Pornstar all day, every day, and we work on the simple stuff. Go grab a guy from the damn practice squad and have him work on simple completions."

I agree. I have said the same thing multiple times here.

I am a big fan of "good coaching." Having grown up in the Bill Walsh era, I know what good coaching is. I saw Walsh take guys like Jeff Kemp off the bench with another team and go win games against good teams. Bill Musgrave was another 2nd/3rd stringer that won a few games just because Walsh instilled good instincts and habits that other coaches ignored. Elvis Grbac was another Walsh creation. It was all a matter of spending the extra time to get things correct.

I don't buy for one hot minute the idea that Jimmy Garoppolo is no longer teachable. As you say, a good coach would pull up a couple of PS guys and work with Jimmy until his arm fell off. I recall Joe Montana telling about how Walsh would make him and Craig and Rathman stay after practice working on swing passes. They had to have 10 perfect completions in a row where the receiver did not have to vary his speed or route even a fraction in order to catch the ball. If anything went wrong, it was back to zero, and start the string all over. That is what Griese should be doing - getting the layups down so you just play it - you don't have to think about it.

We are both old enough to remember Walsh.

Swear to god, when Warner said you have to make the layups, I am sitting there going: Run drills. I mean that seams like an easy fix. Just run them. These are professionals. They should respond to coaching. For Jimmy, if he hopes for even a reasonable pay day after he departs from here, he should be agreeable to it. Other things like the bonehead passes will take time. You work on that, too. But I think you focus on checkdown throws and making them as consistent and boring as possible. The result won't be. Think Kill Bill, where the bride has to practice, repeatedly, punching a board three inches in front of her chest.





I want Jimmy waking up in the middle of the f**king night throwing checkdowns. I want him moving so fast in the middle of his sleep that he knocks the pornstar out of bed because he thought it was Aaron Donald coming to rearrange his manhood.

Awesome!

Biggest think to take away from Warners video is Jimmy can't read defenses well. If you know your line is slanting and free blitzes are likely coming pre snap you have to get off the side with the multiple receivers and look toward the hot route from the runningback.

Why does the 3 receiver side need a hot? That should be ignored once you confirm the full blitz is coming.

Same thing on the McCaffrey hot play. When you see there's an unblocked guy and he's coming change to looking toward your outlet in flat.

Funny thing is he started doing that in 2nd half because I have no doubt Kyle told him at halftime to look at the hots on blitzes.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Tough to watch, but a fair analysis. I have to ask, what is Brian Griese doing? If it is me, I tell Grease "You stay with Jimmy Pornstar all day, every day, and we work on the simple stuff. Go grab a guy from the damn practice squad and have him work on simple completions."

I agree. I have said the same thing multiple times here.

I am a big fan of "good coaching." Having grown up in the Bill Walsh era, I know what good coaching is. I saw Walsh take guys like Jeff Kemp off the bench with another team and go win games against good teams. Bill Musgrave was another 2nd/3rd stringer that won a few games just because Walsh instilled good instincts and habits that other coaches ignored. Elvis Grbac was another Walsh creation. It was all a matter of spending the extra time to get things correct.

I don't buy for one hot minute the idea that Jimmy Garoppolo is no longer teachable. As you say, a good coach would pull up a couple of PS guys and work with Jimmy until his arm fell off. I recall Joe Montana telling about how Walsh would make him and Craig and Rathman stay after practice working on swing passes. They had to have 10 perfect completions in a row where the receiver did not have to vary his speed or route even a fraction in order to catch the ball. If anything went wrong, it was back to zero, and start the string all over. That is what Griese should be doing - getting the layups down so you just play it - you don't have to think about it.

We are both old enough to remember Walsh.

Swear to god, when Warner said you have to make the layups, I am sitting there going: Run drills. I mean that seams like an easy fix. Just run them. These are professionals. They should respond to coaching. For Jimmy, if he hopes for even a reasonable pay day after he departs from here, he should be agreeable to it. Other things like the bonehead passes will take time. You work on that, too. But I think you focus on checkdown throws and making them as consistent and boring as possible. The result won't be. Think Kill Bill, where the bride has to practice, repeatedly, punching a board three inches in front of her chest.





I want Jimmy waking up in the middle of the f**king night throwing checkdowns. I want him moving so fast in the middle of his sleep that he knocks the pornstar out of bed because he thought it was Aaron Donald coming to rearrange his manhood.

Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Biggest think to take away from Warners video is Jimmy can't read defenses well. If you know your line is slanting and free blitzes are likely coming pre snap you have to get off the side with the multiple receivers and look toward the hot route from the runningback.

Why does the 3 receiver side need a hot? That should be ignored once you confirm the full blitz is coming.

Same thing on the McCaffrey hot play. When you see there's an unblocked guy and he's coming change to looking toward your outlet in flat.

Funny thing is he started doing that in 2nd half because I have no doubt Kyle told him at halftime to look at the hots on blitzes.

Then you need to listen again. He explained it well.

And for the 35 other offensive issues he addressed?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

I'm praaaaaaying Kyle implements CMC as that outlet to the play side on every passing down where he's not a primary.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Then you need to listen again. He explained it well.

And for the 35 other offensive issues he addressed?

I did listen. Again you know there's a slant of your line and guys are likely coming on a blitz presnap. If they do adjust to your running back. He didn't read it right and compounded things with a stupid throw.

Aiyuk needs to work on those routes no doubt.

Be interested to see a video breakdown of the offense under Mullens to see if he stared down the double slant even when there was an extra defender there. If he did there'd be something to the coaches not teaching it right.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm praaaaaaying Kyle implements CMC as that outlet to the play side on every passing down where he's not a primary.

Sad that it would come to that. Wouldn't be predictable at all doing that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Haha. I even called it.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

where's the jimmy blame you so called did ?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

I'm praaaaaaying Kyle implements CMC as that outlet to the play side on every passing down where he's not a primary.

That would open up the passing game so much. You want to take away the middle of the field? Fine. We will just keep dumping it off to CMC in the flat off a delayed release out of the backfield. He can also chip on his way out.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

I'm praaaaaaying Kyle implements CMC as that outlet to the play side on every passing down where he's not a primary.

That would open up the passing game so much. You want to take away the middle of the field? Fine. We will just keep dumping it off to CMC in the flat off a delayed release out of the backfield. He can also chip on his way out.

Can't wait!!

It sucks Juice is out too. He'd be a great mismatch out of the backfield too. As an outlet or primary esp. with the focus CMC will be getting for sure.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by fropwns:

We are both old enough to remember Walsh.

Swear to god, when Warner said you have to make the layups, I am sitting there going: Run drills. I mean that seams like an easy fix. Just run them. These are professionals. They should respond to coaching. For Jimmy, if he hopes for even a reasonable pay day after he departs from here, he should be agreeable to it. Other things like the bonehead passes will take time. You work on that, too. But I think you focus on checkdown throws and making them as consistent and boring as possible. The result won't be. Think Kill Bill, where the bride has to practice, repeatedly, punching a board three inches in front of her chest.





I want Jimmy waking up in the middle of the f**king night throwing checkdowns. I want him moving so fast in the middle of his sleep that he knocks the pornstar out of bed because he thought it was Aaron Donald coming to rearrange his manhood.

Great post. You brought up some really great points. Checkdowns should certainly be a QB's best friend. With a higher number of checkdown targets, it would naturally cut down on the boneheaded plays. Mainly because Jimmy usually throws those boneheaded plays when the routes are well covered and pressure is closing in.

Great post. The solution is absolutely THIS!!! hell yeah wake up in the middle of the night from another man trying to re-arrange your manhood and knock those pornstars out of bed and run drills so we never miss layups!!!!

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by fropwns:
Tough to watch, but a fair analysis. I have to ask, what is Brian Griese doing? If it is me, I tell Grease "You stay with Jimmy Pornstar all day, every day, and we work on the simple stuff. Go grab a guy from the damn practice squad and have him work on simple completions."

I agree. I have said the same thing multiple times here.

I am a big fan of "good coaching." Having grown up in the Bill Walsh era, I know what good coaching is. I saw Walsh take guys like Jeff Kemp off the bench with another team and go win games against good teams. Bill Musgrave was another 2nd/3rd stringer that won a few games just because Walsh instilled good instincts and habits that other coaches ignored. Elvis Grbac was another Walsh creation. It was all a matter of spending the extra time to get things correct.

I don't buy for one hot minute the idea that Jimmy Garoppolo is no longer teachable. As you say, a good coach would pull up a couple of PS guys and work with Jimmy until his arm fell off. I recall Joe Montana telling about how Walsh would make him and Craig and Rathman stay after practice working on swing passes. They had to have 10 perfect completions in a row where the receiver did not have to vary his speed or route even a fraction in order to catch the ball. If anything went wrong, it was back to zero, and start the string all over. That is what Griese should be doing - getting the layups down so you just play it - you don't have to think about it.

We are both old enough to remember Walsh.

Swear to god, when Warner said you have to make the layups, I am sitting there going: Run drills. I mean that seams like an easy fix. Just run them. These are professionals. They should respond to coaching. For Jimmy, if he hopes for even a reasonable pay day after he departs from here, he should be agreeable to it. Other things like the bonehead passes will take time. You work on that, too. But I think you focus on checkdown throws and making them as consistent and boring as possible. The result won't be. Think Kill Bill, where the bride has to practice, repeatedly, punching a board three inches in front of her chest.





I want Jimmy waking up in the middle of the f**king night throwing checkdowns. I want him moving so fast in the middle of his sleep that he knocks the pornstar out of bed because he thought it was Aaron Donald coming to rearrange his manhood.

Interesting that one must do it over and over again to attain perfection, while doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Biggest think to take away from Warners video is Jimmy can't read defenses well. If you know your line is slanting and free blitzes are likely coming pre snap you have to get off the side with the multiple receivers and look toward the hot route from the runningback.

Why does the 3 receiver side need a hot? That should be ignored once you confirm the full blitz is coming.

Same thing on the McCaffrey hot play. When you see there's an unblocked guy and he's coming change to looking toward your outlet in flat.

Funny thing is he started doing that in 2nd half because I have no doubt Kyle told him at halftime to look at the hots on blitzes.

Kurt Warnes is a good example of a guy who failed and failed and failed until he finally received good coaching.

As to your take on Warner's analysis, I guess I was watching a different Kurt Warner video. If you would, link me to the one you watched and I'll take a look.

Originally posted by dj43:
Kurt Warnes is a good example of a guy who failed and failed and failed until he finally received good coaching.

As to your take on Warner's analysis, I guess I was watching a different Kurt Warner video. If you would, link me to the one you watched and I'll take a look.

So if Jimmy is failing because of bad coaching how did Jimmy in 2019 hit Jeff Wilson against a blitz on the backside to beat Arizona?