49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

Originally posted by Costanza:


Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

Costanza, I can't thank you enough for posting this. This is probably the single best comprehensive breakdown of the systemic issues with our passing game I've seen to date.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

"I'll show you what I see on almost a weekly basis in the passing game." ~ Kurt Warner

Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals, Forcing)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

Throw in all the key drops and penalties on top of all these issues and you can see why Kurt Warner said, "The drop back pass game is not one of it's (Kyle's offense) strengths."

"I don't know what they teach him...I don't know what they are trying to do...sometimes in this offense, I feel a lot like, turn around, this guy is going to be open or find a guy open...I keep looking at it and I have no idea what we're trying to do here."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called and where on the field these are called by Kyle, but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

He also breakdowns the Kittle/Wilson INT and Safety and reiterates what I was saying in discussion with 49erFaithful6 yesterday.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

If you genuinely care about this team, these are the systemic issues we're seeing well beyond the QB position that no doubt, will extend to Trey Lance if these aren't fixed and fixed soon. It's a must-watch for any 49er fan, IMHO, and it's exactly in line with comprehensive breakdowns by Greg Panelli and our own, JD.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:


Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

Costanza, I can't thank you enough for posting this. This is probably the single best comprehensive breakdown of the systemic issues with our passing game I've seen to date.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

"I'll show you what I see on almost a weekly basis in the passing game." ~ Kurt Warner

Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals, Forcing)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

Throw in all the key drops and penalties on top of all these issues and you can see why Kurt Warner said, "The drop back pass game is not one of it's (Kyle's offense) strengths."

"I don't know what they teach him...I don't know what they are trying to do...sometimes in this offense, I feel a lot like, turn around, this guy is going to be open or find a guy open...I keep looking at it and I have no idea what we're trying to do here."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called and where on the field these are called by Kyle, but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

He also breakdowns the Kittle/Wilson INT and Safety and reiterates what I was saying in discussion with 49erFaithful6 yesterday.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

If you genuinely care about this team, these are the systemic issues we're seeing well beyond the QB position that no doubt, will extend to Trey Lance if these aren't fixed and fixed soon.

Really good post - thanks for this. Hopefully, things get better/cleaned up going forward.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Really good post - thanks for this. Hopefully, things get better/cleaned up going forward.

Credit to Costanza for posting it. This confirmed a number of concerns I was just starting to see a couple weeks ago and identified even more. Eye-opening for sure.

Hopefully we as fans can now be on the same page going forward on what we see. This is very educational.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Costanza:


Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

Costanza, I can't thank you enough for posting this. This is probably the single best comprehensive breakdown of the systemic issues with our passing game I've seen to date.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

"I'll show you what I see on almost a weekly basis in the passing game." ~ Kurt Warner

Good Jimmy (Big Plays even on Breakdowns or Poor Designs, Take the Sack, Throw away)
Bad Jimmy (Layups, Mentals, Forcing)
Off Schedule (Making it up)
Design
Route Concepts
Poor Redzone Concepts
Details
Receivers Routes
Receivers Details
No Outlets (No Hot Options)
Positive Hot Options
Poor Pressure Answers
No Availables
OL Slide Protections

Throw in all the key drops and penalties on top of all these issues and you can see why Kurt Warner said, "The drop back pass game is not one of it's (Kyle's offense) strengths."

"I don't know what they teach him...I don't know what they are trying to do...sometimes in this offense, I feel a lot like, turn around, this guy is going to be open or find a guy open...I keep looking at it and I have no idea what we're trying to do here."

Kurt Warner had difficulty even recognizing the designs and concepts of a number of these plays. I know 816 did as well yesterday. This is super concerning, not just because of the design/concepts called and where on the field these are called by Kyle, but because the receivers don't seem to know either or aren't executing their part to where it's even recognizable. Kyle and these receiver coaches...something is way off here.

He also breakdowns the Kittle/Wilson INT and Safety and reiterates what I was saying in discussion with 49erFaithful6 yesterday.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

If you genuinely care about this team, these are the systemic issues we're seeing well beyond the QB position that no doubt, will extend to Trey Lance if these aren't fixed and fixed soon. It's a must-watch for any 49er fan, IMHO, and it's exactly in line with comprehensive breakdowns by Greg Panelli and our own, JD.

Awesome post. In before the 'it's like this cuz KS is handicapped by JG' takes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Awesome post. In before the 'it's like this cuz KS is handicapped by JG' takes.

Haha. It's literally, a bit of everything. Which is why each play needs to be looked at in isolation as much as in sequence.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Really good post - thanks for this. Hopefully, things get better/cleaned up going forward.

Credit to Costanza for posting it. This confirmed a number of concerns I was just starting to see a couple weeks ago and identified even more. Eye-opening for sure.

Hopefully we as fans can now be on the same page going forward on what we see. This is very educational.

Agreed.

Looking forward to hopefully seeing improvements moving ahead, starting this Sunday vs. the Rams.

Originally posted by Costanza:


Fair critique of the Niners offense by Kurt Warner.

TThat pretty sums it up

Oh well😋

Tough to watch, but a fair analysis. I have to ask, what is Brian Griese doing? If it is me, I tell Grease "You stay with Jimmy Pornstar all day, every day, and we work on the simple stuff. Go grab a guy from the damn practice squad and have him work on simple completions."

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Agreed.

Looking forward to hopefully seeing improvements moving ahead, starting this Sunday vs. the Rams.

For sure. Self-scouting should reveal all of this as well.

Now fix it.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
It's time for Kyle to get very creative with the offense, no excuses. He has been searching for a dynamic, multi talented RB for years - starting with signing Jet, to drafting day 2 RBs for a system that has had success with UDFAs. Now he has a proven, ultra talented RB that can line up anywhere and is equally dangerous running or catching the ball. Even if the threat to attack deep is not legit, the ability to attack horizontally is more than enough to move the ball. When teams play man, Kittle and CMC are two very good man coverage beaters. When teams play zone, attack horizontally. I think this is the blueprint for the skillset for this group of offensive players.

I have been waiting for this as well.

An analogy we used back when I was spending time in auto racing: "Kyle reminds me of a wanna-be NASCAR mechanic who bought the entire Snap-On catalog but after he got the valve covers off the engine, all he knew how to use was a crescent wrench."

Not sure how meaningful that may be but it will work for some. He has SOOOO many weapons at his disposal that there is no excuse for not being more creative after the first 15 minutes. Saying Garoppolo's limitations are the reason is nonsense. There are a lot of plays he could be calling that do not depend on JG.

I agree with all of this. Especially the bolded.

Let's hope Kyle pulls his finger out and shows us once again why he's often referred to as an "offensive genius"

As you mentioned, too much talent on this offense to not be scoring points for fun, regardless of who's at QB.

I wonder how much of this disjointed offense is due to the new coaches still finding their way around. It's clear Mike McD played an important role in gameplanning and scheming. It was a bit naive to think Anthony Lynn would step in, understand how Kyle works, and move things right along as if nothing changed. If it's details of the game, I think it's fair to look at the position coaches because that's what they are responsible for. When it comes to the high level weekly gameplanning, that's on Kyle, Lynn, and Foerster.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Haha. I even called it.

Cliff Notes for fans like All (who won't watch/read):

Originally posted by thl408:
I wonder how much of this disjointed offense is due to the new coaches still finding their way around. It's clear Mike McD played an important role in gameplanning and scheming. It was a bit naive to think Anthony Lynn would step in, understand how Kyle works, and move things right along as if nothing changed. If it's details of the game, I think it's fair to look at the position coaches because that's what they are responsible for. When it comes to the high level weekly gameplanning, that's on Kyle, Lynn, and Foerster.

I have absolutely no doubt this is a big part of it. No question. The HP had comments Foerster referenced about the new system too and you could esp. hear how Mike McDaniel bridged so many gaps for Kyle while also providing a foundation of game planning that I'm sure Kyle trusted and tuned up weekly. They were together for 14 years?