49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by crabman82:

This is what fans of losing teams say year after year. Of course better qb play means better chance to win. Being able to acknowledge it doesnt make it any closer to changing tho

Welp we are a losing team that doesn't have a QB...the play calling is fine that's the pt. Guys are getting open but the QB isn't getting the ball to them accurately.

We should have a new single caller starting next yr

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

Decision was probably the incorrect word to use there but you get the point. When don't they call false starts and off sides no thought is needed.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

this is quite possibly the most insane thing i have ever heard and that is saying alot here. it is easier to blame the refs than to put any blame on the chosen one

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Follower:
Not sure what's so hard about stating the obvious.... KS isn't what many hoped he would be, he has a long way to go, he can turn this around if he's willing to learn from his mistakes, the Rams made the better immediate hire, and we're all suffering through this together, with hope for better days.

The Rams had a much better roster, that makes a huge difference in how the team performs.

The Rams have their potential FQB and their roster was already talented. We could possibly be seeing our next FQB next week.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Penalties and coaching aren't primarily related? Agree to disagree.

There's way more to penalites than coaching. Just look at belichick. 2013 they only had 69 penalites which was second fewest in the league. The very next year they have 120 penalites which was like 5 or 6 most. Did he forget how to coach in that year? That's a hard sell considering they won the super bowl the year with 120 penalites.

Nobody's saying penalties are desirable they just aren't solely on the HC.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

It was into the 3rd Quarter yesterday and RR name was not called at all and I was surprised...then he got a holding call. I might have jinxed it....sorry fellas!

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Follower:
Not sure what's so hard about stating the obvious.... KS isn't what many hoped he would be, he has a long way to go, he can turn this around if he's willing to learn from his mistakes, the Rams made the better immediate hire, and we're all suffering through this together, with hope for better days.

The Rams had a much better roster, that makes a huge difference in how the team performs.

The Rams have their potential FQB and their roster was already talented. We could possibly be seeing our next FQB next week.

The Rams are in the same situation the Niners were pre-Harbaugh. They have a talented roster, but once a good coach and coaching staff came in they did a complete 180.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

we're 19th in rush defense. we were 32nd last year. those are FACTS. that is improvement. so get out of here with your b******t.

Overall defense is awful. unless you were just pleased as punch that our secondary was swiss cheese against a third string qb,. run defense is a bit better but we have bad linebackers. bad secondary people. i guess to you,. guys who always run into each other make for an improving defense. that is on the dc... and the penalties and lack of discipline on this team is always at the foot of the head coach. i know your job is to carry the water for kyle but you need to stop being in denial about the current status of this team

going from 32nd to 19th is a lot better. and that has been WITHOUT Foster.

Doom and gloom. Anything less and you're just a homer. Only thing that matters is our 0-5 record. There's absolutely no other measuring stick used to judge a brand new rebuilding team.

Anything less than a 2011 type turnaround is a total failure. Everything is horrible and will remain that way FOREVER!!!!!

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
we're 19th in rush defense. we were 32nd last year. those are FACTS. that is improvement. so get out of here with your b******t.

Overall defense is awful. unless you were just pleased as punch that our secondary was swiss cheese against a third string qb,. run defense is a bit better but we have bad linebackers. bad secondary people. i guess to you,. guys who always run into each other make for an improving defense. that is on the dc... and the penalties and lack of discipline on this team is always at the foot of the head coach. i know your job is to carry the water for kyle but you need to stop being in denial about the current status of this team

going from 32nd to 19th is a lot better. and that has been WITHOUT Foster.

Doom and gloom. Anything less and you're just a homer. Only thing that matters is our 0-5 record. There's absolutely no other measuring stick used to judge a brand new rebuilding team.

Anything less than a 2011 type turnaround is a total failure. Everything is horrible and will remain that way FOREVER!!!!!

yeah, lmao. the logic.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

This must be why you accused me of fabricating the fact that the 49ers led the league in penalties. I was talking about penalties that were called by the officials and those are simply opinions.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

This must be why you accused me of fabricating the fact that the 49ers led the league in penalties. I was talking about penalties that were called by the officials and those are simply opinions.

i didn't call you a liar. you said penalties, but weren't clear on which. not sure if you came back to clear that up or not.

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

We don't lead the league is False Starts nor Offside penalties. All the penalties are decided by the refs which doesn't fall on coaching

Offsides and false starts are decided by the refs as well.

The underlying point though is that those types of penalties, like 12 men in the huddle etc., are far less subjective than say, an OPI call on TT.

Whether they fall on coaching though is another subject to be debated. I think there is a fair argument one could make that the PI calls on RR are as much on Saleh as they are on RR.

every CB holds to a certain extent , Seattle holds on every play. its part of the game. it's up to the Refs and what they want

Fair point. I am not debating the subjectivity of NFL officials.

Normally, I am the type to blame the person on the field for on the field issues, not their coach on the sideline or in the booth. With RR though, because of the way Saleh has him playing, one can make a fairly strong argument that the PI calls RR gets hit with are not solely RR's fault.

There are certain penalties that can be put on the coach, which I think is what you were implying. DoG penalties under JH etc. In KS's case, the penalties thus far are more on the players than the coach, imo.

i went ahead and looked them up. we don't lead the league in FS or Offside. they are mostly Refs opinions of what happened.

only 1 DOG

This must be why you accused me of fabricating the fact that the 49ers led the league in penalties. I was talking about penalties that were called by the officials and those are simply opinions.

i didn't call you a liar. you said penalties, but weren't clear on which. not sure if you came back to clear that up or not.

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen

I responded to a comment in which someone mentioned the 49ers "39 penalties", all I said waas "The most in the NFL" and you said it was a fabrication which was "typical WooLick". I posted a link to backup my statement and you disappeared.