49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Bolded ^ No we don't know

Yah we do. 2016 showed everyone.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I don't know what pointing out the record without Brady does.

Firstly, he was able to help develop Brady into a HOF QB. Shanny surely had his chance with that by moving UP to get a future HOF in CJ Beathard.

Also, Belichick's career has largely been comprised of time with Brady.

Shanahan could never develop a QB like that. He ruins them. Yes, if we had an all time great QB, do I think Shanahan could succeed? Sure. So could I. Who the hell couldn't?

It's a damn near prerequisite for success. The best coach all time needed him to be beyond mediocre.

Traded a 7th rounder to get CJ. "Moved up". How did we ever recover from the cost.

What HOFer did he develop in Cleveland?

Bill Belichek would be out of the league if he didn't stumble into Brady. No one would care about Andy Reed if Mahomes hadn't blown up.

If Shanahan wants to be that guy, he needs Trey to be it, and it must be 2023.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
For me it's simple. He needs a legit QB to succeed. Jimmy isn't that. Lance may or may not be that, and Shanahan should be given more more year (the three he mortgages for 1sts) to show it. And if after next season Lance isn't leaps and bounds better than has been so far, we are forced to seek another QB and Shanahan should not be given the authority to do so.

He needs to make it work with Lance or we need another HC/QB. The roster seems good with lots of bright young stars, so the GM and staff seem good.

That's a very reasonable take.

What HC doesn't need a legit qb to succeed? No coach is doing anything worth a damn with a qb like Jimmy unless the d is pitching shutouts. Look at Reid, always talked about being a choker never can win the big one. Finally gets a hall of fame type qb and wins, saying Kyle needs a legit qb to succeed is like saying you need air to live

This simply isn't true.

Ravens won with Flacco.
Bucs won with Brad Johnson.
Eagles won with backup QB Nick Foles.
Ravens won with Trent Dilfer.
Giants won with Eli Manning who only showed up when it counted and was routinely poor in regular season.

Sure, most times you need a great QB to succeed but you can win with a decent one.

AShanny's record with vs without Garop shows he's at least decent. He didn't win with him. Twice. Despite two phenomenal defenses. And he didn't win because of decisions HE made.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I don't know what pointing out the record without Brady does.

Firstly, he was able to help develop Brady into a HOF QB. Shanny surely had his chance with that by moving UP to get a future HOF in CJ Beathard.

Also, Belichick's career has largely been comprised of time with Brady.

Shanahan could never develop a QB like that. He ruins them. Yes, if we had an all time great QB, do I think Shanahan could succeed? Sure. So could I. Who the hell couldn't?

It's a damn near prerequisite for success. The best coach all time needed him to be beyond mediocre.

Traded a 7th rounder to get CJ. "Moved up". How did we ever recover from the cost.

What HOFer did he develop in Cleveland?

Bill Belichek would be out of the league if he didn't stumble into Brady. No one would care about Andy Reed if Mahomes hadn't blown up.

If Shanahan wants to be that guy, he needs Trey to be it, and it must be 2023.

So I guess we're saying coaches have no impact on outcomes and it's only if they're gifted HOF QBs.

Gotcha.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
For me it's simple. He needs a legit QB to succeed. Jimmy isn't that. Lance may or may not be that, and Shanahan should be given more more year (the three he mortgages for 1sts) to show it. And if after next season Lance isn't leaps and bounds better than has been so far, we are forced to seek another QB and Shanahan should not be given the authority to do so.

He needs to make it work with Lance or we need another HC/QB. The roster seems good with lots of bright young stars, so the GM and staff seem good.

That's a very reasonable take.

What HC doesn't need a legit qb to succeed? No coach is doing anything worth a damn with a qb like Jimmy unless the d is pitching shutouts. Look at Reid, always talked about being a choker never can win the big one. Finally gets a hall of fame type qb and wins, saying Kyle needs a legit qb to succeed is like saying you need air to live

Which is why we should still give him another year with Trey to prove it. But after that, it'll be 3 season with Trey. We'll need to see something tangible, some indication that Lance can win a SB. Jimmy can't. Lance may. And Shanahan needs him to work. His wagon (being HC of 48ers) is hitched to Lance.

Yeah. No way in hell Kyle should get canned after this year, he picked Trey now let's see him work under his system he's been learning for 3 years leading to next season. Trey has to show he's the franchise next year, he doesn't have to be Allen but has to show glimpses of yes he's gonna be a problem next year or 2. And of course this team has to win and I feel even tho Kyle can call a dumb ass play and I never been as down as I am now on him I think a legit qb can hide some of his stink.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I don't know what pointing out the record without Brady does.

Firstly, he was able to help develop Brady into a HOF QB. Shanny surely had his chance with that by moving UP to get a future HOF in CJ Beathard.

Also, Belichick's career has largely been comprised of time with Brady.

Shanahan could never develop a QB like that. He ruins them. Yes, if we had an all time great QB, do I think Shanahan could succeed? Sure. So could I. Who the hell couldn't?

It's a damn near prerequisite for success. The best coach all time needed him to be beyond mediocre.

Traded a 7th rounder to get CJ. "Moved up". How did we ever recover from the cost.

What HOFer did he develop in Cleveland?

Bill Belichek would be out of the league if he didn't stumble into Brady. No one would care about Andy Reed if Mahomes hadn't blown up.

If Shanahan wants to be that guy, he needs Trey to be it, and it must be 2023.

So I guess we're saying coaches have no impact on outcomes and it's only if they're gifted HOF QBs.

Gotcha.

Andy Reid was going to the championship almost every damn year with McNabb and routinely in the playoffs with Alex Smith. Keep that in mind. Shanahan has more losing seasons than not. And abysmal ones at that.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
For me it's simple. He needs a legit QB to succeed. Jimmy isn't that. Lance may or may not be that, and Shanahan should be given more more year (the three he mortgages for 1sts) to show it. And if after next season Lance isn't leaps and bounds better than has been so far, we are forced to seek another QB and Shanahan should not be given the authority to do so.

He needs to make it work with Lance or we need another HC/QB. The roster seems good with lots of bright young stars, so the GM and staff seem good.

That's a very reasonable take.

What HC doesn't need a legit qb to succeed? No coach is doing anything worth a damn with a qb like Jimmy unless the d is pitching shutouts. Look at Reid, always talked about being a choker never can win the big one. Finally gets a hall of fame type qb and wins, saying Kyle needs a legit qb to succeed is like saying you need air to live

Which is why we should still give him another year with Trey to prove it. But after that, it'll be 3 season with Trey. We'll need to see something tangible, some indication that Lance can win a SB. Jimmy can't. Lance may. And Shanahan needs him to work. His wagon (being HC of 48ers) is hitched to Lance.

Yeah. No way in hell Kyle should get canned after this year, he picked Trey now let's see him work under his system he's been learning for 3 years leading to next season. Trey has to show he's the franchise next year, he doesn't have to be Allen but has to show glimpses of yes he's gonna be a problem next year or 2. And of course this team has to win and I feel even tho Kyle can call a dumb ass play and I never been as down as I am now on him I think a legit qb can hide some of his stink.

We don't have 5 years to wait to see if Lance is the answer. He's already woefully behind after sitting for a year and scrapping his entire debut season. Again, we have kyle to blame for that.

He actively put him in situations that got him hurt...because he didn't trust him and didn't think he was ready...when he's the guy in charge of getting him ready.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
We don't have 5 years to wait to see if Lance is the answer. He's already woefully behind after sitting for a year and scrapping his entire debut season. Again, we have kyle to blame for that.

He actively put him in situations that got him hurt...because he didn't trust him and didn't think he was ready...when he's the guy in charge of getting him ready.

It's one year at a time. 2023 he must prove beyond a shadow of doubt he's "got it" and that he's worth fully leaning into during the offseason to build up the team for a title run. He won't be the best he's ever going to be. But it must bit quite a bit better than it has been to date.

If he comes out and we win 11 games, he's maybe a PB alternate, maybe a playoff win, I'd say yes we're good to go. If not, it's a decision about Kyle, Lance, and lots of guys.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Bill Belichek would be out of the league if he didn't stumble into Brady. No one would care about Andy Reed if Mahomes hadn't blown up.

If Shanahan wants to be that guy, he needs Trey to be it, and it must be 2023.

Agree on Belichick, disagree on Reid. He had the Eagles as perennial contenders before going to KC, where he immediately made the Chiefs cot with Alex Smith. I actually see him as a perfect comparison to Kyle. A great coach who will always have a winning, competitive team, but needs that extra IT in a QB to win the trophy.

I remember Robert Griffin giving his sales pitch to try and get on the 49ers roster. Saying he knows how complicated his offense can be and what he expect and wanted to mentor him. I doubt Shanahans ego would even consider that. But cam newton or a veteran that is mobile or someone that can be active in the pocket. I don't want to see scared jimmy anymore and he might get killed without T Williams now so Purdy is awaiting?

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
For me it's simple. He needs a legit QB to succeed. Jimmy isn't that. Lance may or may not be that, and Shanahan should be given more more year (the three he mortgages for 1sts) to show it. And if after next season Lance isn't leaps and bounds better than has been so far, we are forced to seek another QB and Shanahan should not be given the authority to do so.

He needs to make it work with Lance or we need another HC/QB. The roster seems good with lots of bright young stars, so the GM and staff seem good.

That's a very reasonable take.

What HC doesn't need a legit qb to succeed? No coach is doing anything worth a damn with a qb like Jimmy unless the d is pitching shutouts. Look at Reid, always talked about being a choker never can win the big one. Finally gets a hall of fame type qb and wins, saying Kyle needs a legit qb to succeed is like saying you need air to live

This simply isn't true.

Ravens won with Flacco.
Bucs won with Brad Johnson.
Eagles won with backup QB Nick Foles.
Ravens won with Trent Dilfer.
Giants won with Eli Manning who only showed up when it counted and was routinely poor in regular season.

Sure, most times you need a great QB to succeed but you can win with a decent one.

AShanny's record with vs without Garop shows he's at least decent. He didn't win with him. Twice. Despite two phenomenal defenses. And he didn't win because of decisions HE made.

It isnt true AND it's also stupid. You could give any a*****e a hall of fame qb and he will win. What does that even mean. Why do we need Shanahan.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
For me it's simple. He needs a legit QB to succeed. Jimmy isn't that. Lance may or may not be that, and Shanahan should be given more more year (the three he mortgages for 1sts) to show it. And if after next season Lance isn't leaps and bounds better than has been so far, we are forced to seek another QB and Shanahan should not be given the authority to do so.

He needs to make it work with Lance or we need another HC/QB. The roster seems good with lots of bright young stars, so the GM and staff seem good.

That's a very reasonable take.

What HC doesn't need a legit qb to succeed? No coach is doing anything worth a damn with a qb like Jimmy unless the d is pitching shutouts. Look at Reid, always talked about being a choker never can win the big one. Finally gets a hall of fame type qb and wins, saying Kyle needs a legit qb to succeed is like saying you need air to live

This simply isn't true.

Ravens won with Flacco.
Bucs won with Brad Johnson.
Eagles won with backup QB Nick Foles.
Ravens won with Trent Dilfer.
Giants won with Eli Manning who only showed up when it counted and was routinely poor in regular season.

Sure, most times you need a great QB to succeed but you can win with a decent one.

AShanny's record with vs without Garop shows he's at least decent. He didn't win with him. Twice. Despite two phenomenal defenses. And he didn't win because of decisions HE made.

It isnt true AND it's also stupid. You could give any a*****e a hall of fame qb and he will win. What does that even mean. Why do we need Shanahan.

Rodgers is a HOF QB. How many a*****es have coached him? He certainly wasn't HOF level when he won.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Andy Reid was going to the championship almost every damn year with McNabb and routinely in the playoffs with Alex Smith. Keep that in mind. Shanahan has more losing seasons than not. And abysmal ones at that.

Year 1 Hoyer
Year 2 JG, Mullens, Beathard
Year 3 JG (SB)
Year 4 JG and Mullens (JG hurt half the year)
Year 5 JG (NFCCG)
Year 6 JG and Lance.

I don't think u can compare Mullens to McNabb nor Smith for that matter... Not even close...when JG was healthy he made it to the playoffs both years. So you could say that with JG, Shanahan has made it to the NFCCG when he's been available which is the same as Reid...

We will see this year. Though I have a sneaky feeling JG doesn't care and is just playing for a cheque at this point.

Bellichek would be "out of the league"?
The same Bellichek that was a hall of famer DC before he even head coached a second in the NFL?

That's a funny joke. I remember how in 2001 Beli went nuts in the SB throwing all kinds of blitzes and coverages and holding the greatest show on turf to season-low 17 points.

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
Year 1 Hoyer
Year 2 JG, Mullens, Beathard
Year 3 JG (SB)
Year 4 JG and Mullens (JG hurt half the year)
Year 5 JG (NFCCG)
Year 6 JG and Lance.

I don't think u can compare Mullens to McNabb nor Smith for that matter... Not even close...when JG was healthy he made it to the playoffs both years. So you could say that with JG, Shanahan has made it to the NFCCG when he's been available which is the same as Reid...

We will see this year. Though I have a sneaky feeling JG doesn't care and is just playing for a cheque at this point.

JG has his next team and contract to play for. If by some nastiness he plays even half as bad as yesterday for a chunk of the season I'm afraid minus a scrub backup roll his career is over. So yeah, he wants to kick ass but his skill set can't keep up with wishes. Yeah he cares.