49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
We're not that young, especially on offense

Hoyer - 31, Hyde - 26, Garcon 31, A.Robinson - 29, Goodwin 26, Staley - 33, Fusco - 29, Kilgore 29.

How many of those guys will be on this roster in 2 years? Hoyer, Robinson, Kilgore and Fusco are going to be replaced PDQ.

This team overall has the 2nd youngest roster in football.

8th actually...the 2nd youngest are the Rams.

The losses keep pilling up and these players will start tuning out the coaches pretty soon.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:
Ks good enough coach to make the game somewhat entertaining and lose. All these losses should help out during draft time but by then the losing culture might be too hard shake. Shanny might the coach to stock pile talent and then the next coach comes in puts it together. He might be the Nolan of this decade.

Losing culture with a bunch of 20 yr olds can change very quickly...when you have an old team that's constantly losing then you have problems. They can rehaul this team with 5 top 100 picks and $100+ million in cap space.

Get a QB with top pick or bring in Kirk
Sign a FA CB
Draft pass rusher
Draft a WR
Spend money on OL

That can all get done if they're smart about it.

You sure about that, just look at the cleveland browns.

Well they are the Cleveland Browns.

Originally posted by NYniner85:Wins and losses imo don't determine everything.

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by cciowa:
if the team was as good as so many people said they were , they should have beaten the colts , hands down. no question but you know what . i hope they enjoy their shiny medal they got for just being there

So many more said we were not a good team, yet here you sit continuously taking the opinions of a few and trying to spin it as if it is the opinion of most.

For real..cc gottta give it a rest. Most of us knew this was gonna be a ugly first yr for many many reasons.

sorry, not going to get off that easy. i am addressing all of the people who are setting there saying we should have been 3-1 before sunday. if we are a 3-1 team like many think we are, then we should have wupped em bad. but no, we lost ugly again. you would think the narrative would change but no, now you got people saying. well now we should be 4-1 and 5-0. that is what i am talking about

WHO are those people? WHO were those people? SPECIFICALLY? also, WHY does it matter now? who f**king cares. we are what we are so get over it.

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Losing helps a new coach decide on which players not to keep. Bad players can hide a little better when a team is winning.

Well said!

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:Wins and losses imo don't determine everything.

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

Sorry, have to disagree with this assessment. While its true that they haven't been closing games the coaching is vastly improved from what we've had in the past two years. Is there room from improvement, absolutely, especially on the defensive side, but it isn't the coaching that is their problem. It's the execution and the lack of talent at some key positions. They have been in almost every game they've played this year. Hard to believe they won't start turning things around once they get a few more pieces in place. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:

Ks good enough coach to make the game somewhat entertaining and lose. All these losses should help out during draft time but by then the losing culture might be too hard shake. Shanny might the coach to stock pile talent and then the next coach comes in puts it together. He might be the Nolan of this decade.

Losing culture with a bunch of 20 yr olds can change very quickly...when you have an old team that's constantly losing then you have problems. They can rehaul this team with 5 top 100 picks and $100+ million in cap space.

Get a QB with top pick or bring in Kirk
Sign a FA CB
Draft pass rusher
Draft a WR
Spend money on OL

That can all get done if they're smart about it.

You sure about that, just look at the cleveland browns.

Well they are the Cleveland Browns.

And they drafted the wrong QB over and over. Did it again this year.

It's funny, there's an entire thread on this site dedicated to bashing Shanahan/Lynch because we didn't draft Kizer.

I'd rather have Foster thank you very much.

Mahomes and Watson were outside of the pocket QB's that often rely on broken plays. More in the mold of RG3 (who had a great rookie season) than that of true pocket passers. Shanahan wants a pocket passer because they offer long term stability. Not only that but you can use the full playbook with a pocket passer as we saw with Matt Ryan in 2016.


Trubisky was closest to what we were looking for but they didn't like the odds on him at #2. He only had one year experience in college.


I'm not even sure why I'm posting this. I've said everything I can say over and over and over then the extreme criticisms just expand. There's literally nothing you can say to a person that holds an irrational position. That's the entire point of being irrational.

These irrational and premature criticisms will continue all year and this site will devolve into a miserable s**thole. It's halfway there already.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wins and losses imo don't determine everything.

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

Sorry, have to disagree with this assessment. While its true that they haven't been closing games the coaching is vastly improved from what we've had in the past two years. Is there room from improvement, absolutely, especially on the defensive side, but it isn't the coaching that is their problem. It's the execution and the lack of talent at some key positions. They have been in almost every game they've played this year. Hard to believe they won't start turning things around once they get a few more pieces in place. Go Niners!!

If anything we came on in the 4th yesterday. Hoyer was close to dead in the first half.

Originally posted by jcs:

We're not that young, especially on offense

Hoyer - 31, Hyde - 26, Garcon 31, A.Robinson - 29, Goodwin 26, Staley - 33, Fusco - 29, Kilgore 29.

And how many of those players gonna be on the team next yr? Overall we are very young avg age is 25.72....since when is 26 old lol?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:
Ks good enough coach to make the game somewhat entertaining and lose. All these losses should help out during draft time but by then the losing culture might be too hard shake. Shanny might the coach to stock pile talent and then the next coach comes in puts it together. He might be the Nolan of this decade.

Losing culture with a bunch of 20 yr olds can change very quickly...when you have an old team that's constantly losing then you have problems. They can rehaul this team with 5 top 100 picks and $100+ million in cap space.

Get a QB with top pick or bring in Kirk
Sign a FA CB
Draft pass rusher
Draft a WR
Spend money on OL

That can all get done if they're smart about it.

It's interesting that you say this. While this season has been hard to watch, one thing I do like in comparison to last year and the year before is that the needs are much more clear. Everybody on here knows that the five things you listed are the first five things we need to address. We're a mess but it should be pretty obvious by now what we need to do next offseason, and the rest of the season should only confirm it.

This'll be a hard year, but as long as Jed doesn't fire anybody at the end (except maybe a handful of assistant coaches) we should be okay (long-term wise. We are far from "okay" right now lol).

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wins and losses imo don't determine everything.

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

Sorry, have to disagree with this assessment. While its true that they haven't been closing games the coaching is vastly improved from what we've had in the past two years. Is there room from improvement, absolutely, especially on the defensive side, but it isn't the coaching that is their problem. It's the execution and the lack of talent at some key positions. They have been in almost every game they've played this year. Hard to believe they won't start turning things around once they get a few more pieces in place. Go Niners!!

If anything we came on in the 4th yesterday. Hoyer was close to dead in the first half.

road games even for good teams are hard to win. We really need to clean up penalties

We may regret passing on Watkins who is not another Kap or Griffin. But athletic qb's take longer times to digest so I wouldn't get drunk off his early success.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Losing helps a new coach decide on which players not to keep. Bad players can hide a little better when a team is winning.

Well said!

I know you're right,...but still - LOSING SUCKS

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

How is Hoyer holding onto the ball and missing reads on the HC? How is dropping balls on the HC? You can only coach so much and put a player in the right position to actually perform like a NFL player.

We simply don't have the overall talent to win those close games yet...and people are fooling themselves if that actually thought we have the overall talent in 6 months to change everything.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Wins and losses imo don't determine everything.

Its not really a matter of opinion, you don't make the playoffs for showing improvement.

This team has the talent to win some of these close games, they are just choking in the 4th and that's largely on coaching.

Sorry, have to disagree with this assessment. While its true that they haven't been closing games the coaching is vastly improved from what we've had in the past two years. Is there room from improvement, absolutely, especially on the defensive side, but it isn't the coaching that is their problem. It's the execution and the lack of talent at some key positions. They have been in almost every game they've played this year. Hard to believe they won't start turning things around once they get a few more pieces in place. Go Niners!!

If anything we came on in the 4th yesterday. Hoyer was close to dead in the first half.

road games even for good teams are hard to win. We really need to clean up penalties

Well, ya, especially on offense in the redzone.

There's a lot of issues, I don't think anyone is denying this but throwing in the towel at this point is 100% absurd.

When one logs onto a fan site and dedicates every single post to overblown widespread negativity one only makes themselves look mental.

Criticism is warranted, especially when you're 0-5 but it should be measured with a clear understanding that this team is BY FAR not a finished product.