49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Kyle today.


Kyle a year ago.

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No need to defend Kyle out of embarrassment. Defend him, just because he's being called out for something we all saw coming if he kept with the Card game s**t.

He didn't need to do it against the Texans... he didn't need to do it this year. Deep in the Playoffs, sure.. if we're desperate. But what's the point of have all these weapons we have on offense, if you risk your starter up the middle multiple times a game.... in a 17 game season.

Originally posted by crabman82:
Agreed bro 👊💯

This has to be sarcasm.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
49er fans searching for someone to blame when a player gets hurt

A lot of children who can't accept sometimes bad s**t happens.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Kyle today.

Kyle Shanahan did not love ? about risk/reward of running QB. "Do you guys watch the other teams? Buffalo does it all the time with their QBs. It's a pretty normal play. It's part of football, and it's unfortunate that he hurt his ankle… You should watch some other people."

— Mike Giardi (@MikeGiardi) September 19, 2022

Kyle a year ago.

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Despite injuries at RB, Kyle Shanahan doesn't view rookie QB Trey Lance as solution to create rushing yards. "He's not Lamar Jackson,'' he told me. "Trey is a quarterback who has the ability to run. But to just line him up and run him, I mean, the game's too physical.'

— Ed Werder (@WerderEdESPN) September 26, 2021

No need to defend Kyle out of embarrassment. Defend him, just because he's being called out for something we all saw coming if he kept with the Card game s**t.

He didn't need to do it against the Texans... he didn't need to do it this year. Deep in the Playoffs, sure.. if we're desperate. But what's the point of have all these weapons we have on offense, if you risk your starter up the middle multiple times a game.... in a 17 game season.

Yikes Kyle

I mean the broadcast crew as recently as last week said you don't want to be running your QB up the middle vs NFL front sevens all this much.. this isn't rocket science.. this isn't something that could not be seen in advance.. it was seen coming a mile away by anyone paying attention.. I legit posted concerns about this type of play all week long.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
almost as if Shanny ran TL without regard to potential injury

He ran a zone read. Wow how dare he….

It was a QB counter trey blocking scheme designed run, no zone scheme

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Kyle today.

Kyle Shanahan did not love ? about risk/reward of running QB. "Do you guys watch the other teams? Buffalo does it all the time with their QBs. It's a pretty normal play. It's part of football, and it's unfortunate that he hurt his ankle… You should watch some other people."

— Mike Giardi (@MikeGiardi) September 19, 2022

Kyle a year ago.

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Despite injuries at RB, Kyle Shanahan doesn't view rookie QB Trey Lance as solution to create rushing yards. "He's not Lamar Jackson,'' he told me. "Trey is a quarterback who has the ability to run. But to just line him up and run him, I mean, the game's too physical.'

— Ed Werder (@WerderEdESPN) September 26, 2021

No need to defend Kyle out of embarrassment. Defend him, just because he's being called out for something we all saw coming if he kept with the Card game s**t.

He didn't need to do it against the Texans... he didn't need to do it this year. Deep in the Playoffs, sure.. if we're desperate. But what's the point of have all these weapons we have on offense, if you risk your starter up the middle multiple times a game.... in a 17 game season.

Dude he ran a zone read…Lance didn't have to keep it. I saw that play run over a dozen times today while watching the redzone. He had a fat f**k roll up on his leg. Freak injury.

Only people I'm embarrassed for are fans trying to blame someone for an injury that happens when playing football.

ya'll are the same people that cried for a QB that isn't a statue and can extend plays. Now you're all crying because that QB got hurt moving. Holy hell, prayers up for Lance, I'm sure he will recover fine and we will ride Jimmy the rest of the year. Is what it is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I mean the broadcast crew as recently as last week said you don't want to be running your QB up the middle vs NFL front sevens all this much.. this isn't rocket science.. this isn't something that could not be seen in advance.. it was seen coming a mile away by anyone paying attention.. I legit posted concerns about this type of play all week long.

Kyle got to see what Trey was capable of passing the ball and clearly made the decision that he needed to run more than pass. At least that's how I take it

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
almost as if Shanny ran TL without regard to potential injury

He ran a zone read. Wow how dare he….

It was a QB counter trey blocking scheme designed run, no zone scheme

same play Deebo ran for 50 yards. Kyle confirmed it

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
49er fans searching for someone to blame when a player gets hurt

A lot of children who can't accept sometimes bad s**t happens.

Pretty much. Always gotta be someone to blame.

I'm usually a Kyle defender but its not hard to see that his strategy for using Lance as a runner was a bad one. Running your Qb up the middle is a bad idea. Everybody knows it. Theres a lot of running qbs in the league and they don't have nearly as many designed runs as Lance does. Kyle has done a lot of things right. He did this wrong and it sucks way more for Lance than it does for him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
almost as if Shanny ran TL without regard to potential injury

He ran a zone read. Wow how dare he….

It was a QB counter trey blocking scheme designed run, no zone scheme

It's zone read, if #10 chases down Lance gives to McCloud

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) September 18, 2022

the backside guard and tackle pulled, that doesn't happen with inside zone blocking, the other lineman blocked down, there was no zone blocking in this play... it was a play for a qb run all the way

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Shanny needs to coach Trey up to slide and stop trying to run people over. This is absolutely crucial because Trey cannot afford to miss playing time. Especially this week, Seattle loves to hurt our players so we cannot allow Trey to run recklessly.

Or perhaps calling less QB powers

The designed QB runs aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I said it all off season in here. Folks just don't want to accept it. It is one of the reasons why we drafted him. Fans may not like it but it is what it is.

Folks don't want to accept it cuz in a sense it's stupid. They mentioned it in the broadcast with neutral announcers. They said do you really want this guy you invested all this in to be mixing it up with NFL front sevens. There are ways to run him without heavy contact. QB power isn't one of them imo. Steve Young addressed this yesterday on KNBR. He said in college he can stiff arm defensive tackles.. and do that type of stuff.. not anymore at the NFL level.

Folks can think its stupid all they want but it isn't going to change anything.

Bump for reality slapping you in the face. It was not unpredictable. Above was discussed last week.

Hell it happened in AZ last year. Except this time Kyle had more time to create a better game plan for him. I don't want to hear the "What if he threw interceptions" He didn't even get a chance to prove himself. Not a fair assumption at all.

When you think about it, Shanahan has always spoke about his vision for a QB that could be involved in the run game. We didn't realize it, but Shanahan's plan was ALWAYS to run Trey. This isn't a case of Shanahan not trusting Lance to throw the ball, but rather, he wanted to challenge teams with a running scheme that teams had to consider not only the RB, but Deebo... and Trey Lance. And I see the logic in it... This scheme got Deebo a 50 yard run just a couple plays before. And you can bet that as Trey grew as a passer, as Shanahan grew in better predicting the opponent's playcalling, it would've developed into a very lethal run scheme over the course of the season and onward.

UNFORTUNATELY, and I think it's the criticism everyone's pointed out---running your 225 lb. QB between the tackles consistently is going to expose him to major injuries. Sure, there are QB's like Lamar Jackson running around, but he's doing it on the perimeter. Sure, Josh Allen and Cam Newton run QB Power, but Newton is 250-260 lb, Allen is 240 lb. and he's earned defenses' respect with his throwing ability.

We'll be competitive this year... we should be able to make the playoffs with this roster with Jimmy at the helm... but this is setting us up to a very awkward offseason next year when it comes to our QB situation.

Shanahan called some semi-deep throws for Jimmy G. Most of them didn't work, but good that they tried it, & more importantly no INTs (except that almost).

With Jimmy G., 60-70% runs and 30+% passes, and it will get to the playoffs. Try new tricks with the same old pony, you are welcoming injuries.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
almost as if Shanny ran TL without regard to potential injury

He ran a zone read. Wow how dare he….

It was a QB counter trey blocking scheme designed run, no zone scheme

It's zone read, if #10 chases down Lance gives to McCloud

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) September 18, 2022

the backside guard and tackle pulled, that doesn't happen with inside zone blocking... it was a play for a qb run all the way

It was a zone read