49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Getting Cousins is no sure thing.

Would be the biggest free agency move for this franchise since Deion.

But you're absolutely right.

I got a feeling Washington is going to put on a full court press.

You mean like a franchise tag?

That would be stupid. $34.5M basically means they have to let a lot of guys go.

They will transition tag him. We will bid on him. Highest bidder wins, plain and simple.

I don't think they'll go that far, but a real competitive offer is more what I'm saying. Maybe, add more years than anyone else, or something like that.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Getting Cousins is no sure thing.

Would be the biggest free agency move for this franchise since Deion.

But you're absolutely right.

I got a feeling Washington is going to put on a full court press.

Even if its 50/50 ill take those chances.

Lynch and Shanahan i believe is more appealing to Kirk instead of staying there.

Don't mistake KC for someone who puts winning before his wallet. He is going where the money is.

....Cousins said. "I would say it's the same answer. I'm trusting the Lord. I know where I'm going to be the next six months. That's all that matters, but I'm going to trust the Lord for the future. Just as he led me to D.C. five years ago and placed me here, I'm not leaving until He's led me somewhere else. As He continues to keep me in D.C., I'm going to continue to stay. Ultimately, that's what drives me, that's what drives this negotiation, that's what drives my and my family's decision-making and that will continue to be the ultimate factor in this whole process."

By Lord / He KC means $$$$$$$$$$$$

I think well be able to give him more if not ATLEAST match.

Thats why i do not envision money being a factor in leaving or staying.

Wait. Your first sentence talks about money. Your second sentence then contradicts your first sentence.

There is no way KC leaves Washington unless there is more money on the table elsewhere. He wouldn't have done things the way he did over the last two years (which, personally, I agree with - Skins asked him to prove it and he did). In addition, I don't see any scenario where two teams offer him identical contracts

He is getting 40-50 million guaranteed on his next contract, probably at 4-5 years so he can ask for another before he retires. I would rather the 49ers go balls out upgrading all the other positions and just find themselves an above average QB (maybe CJ - definitely not Hoyer).

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Getting Cousins is no sure thing.

Would be the biggest free agency move for this franchise since Deion.

But you're absolutely right.

I got a feeling Washington is going to put on a full court press.

Even if its 50/50 ill take those chances.

Lynch and Shanahan i believe is more appealing to Kirk instead of staying there.

Don't mistake KC for someone who puts winning before his wallet. He is going where the money is.

....Cousins said. "I would say it's the same answer. I'm trusting the Lord. I know where I'm going to be the next six months. That's all that matters, but I'm going to trust the Lord for the future. Just as he led me to D.C. five years ago and placed me here, I'm not leaving until He's led me somewhere else. As He continues to keep me in D.C., I'm going to continue to stay. Ultimately, that's what drives me, that's what drives this negotiation, that's what drives my and my family's decision-making and that will continue to be the ultimate factor in this whole process."

By Lord / He KC means $$$$$$$$$$$$

I think well be able to give him more if not ATLEAST match.

Thats why i do not envision money being a factor in leaving or staying.

Wait. Your first sentence talks about money. Your second sentence then contradicts your first sentence.

There is no way KC leaves Washington unless there is more money on the table elsewhere. He wouldn't have done things the way he did over the last two years (which, personally, I agree with - Skins asked him to prove it and he did). In addition, I don't see any scenario where two teams offer him identical contracts

He is getting 40-50 million guaranteed on his next contract, probably at 4-5 years so he can ask for another before he retires. I would rather the 49ers go balls out upgrading all the other positions and just find themselves an above average QB (maybe CJ - definitely not Hoyer).

Im just simply saying in the end well offer just as much if not more.

Now if you're saying unless we do offer more money then we wont get him..then i disagree cAuse i think we can atleast match Washington's offer.

Let me ask you this doe.. If we do offer more money, you think he DOES come?

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Im just simply saying in the end well offer just as much if not more.

Now if you're saying unless we do offer more money then we wont get him..then i disagree cAuse i think we can atleast match Washington's offer.

Let me ask you this doe.. If we do offer more money, you think he DOES come?

Yes. 100%. The team that offers him the most money is where the "Lord" will lead him, assuming all other variables are the same.

There is room for discussion re guaranteed money, length of contract etc., but I can't foresee any situation where the contracts will differ in these amounts. KC's agent knows what he wants and he will make sure the teams interested in KC fulfill those requirements before the bidding even begins.

And yes, I agree with the amount the 49ers will offer. If KS is dead set on KC, KC will become the highest paid QB in the league by a mile.

But, again, I think if one is to look throughout NFL history, you will find excellent teams with above average QBs account for about as many trophies as do teams with excellent QBs surrounded by above average players. I think paying KC what he will demand is just too much on a guy who has shown to be eerily similar to Peyton Manning (before his last few years). HoF regular season guy with an unproven post-season CV.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Im just simply saying in the end well offer just as much if not more.

Now if you're saying unless we do offer more money then we wont get him..then i disagree cAuse i think we can atleast match Washington's offer.

Let me ask you this doe.. If we do offer more money, you think he DOES come?

Yes. 100%. The team that offers him the most money is where the "Lord" will lead him, assuming all other variables are the same.

There is room for discussion re guaranteed money, length of contract etc., but I can't foresee any situation where the contracts will differ in these amounts. KC's agent knows what he wants and he will make sure the teams interested in KC fulfill those requirements before the bidding even begins.

And yes, I agree with the amount the 49ers will offer. If KS is dead set on KC, KC will become the highest paid QB in the league by a mile.

But, again, I think if one is to look throughout NFL history, you will find excellent teams with above average QBs account for about as many trophies as do teams with excellent QBs surrounded by above average players. I think paying KC what he will demand is just too much on a guy who has shown to be eerily similar to Peyton Manning (before his last few years). HoF regular season guy with an unproven post-season CV.

I think we will offer the most money but well see what happens. Get a QB and go from there, ive said it in the past but if hes available you dont f**k that up and gamble elsewhere.

Cousins and a pass rusher/WR/OL in the first two rounds and thats a home run.

Cousins will get paid. He's all about the $ and will play the market to be the highest paid qb ever but we got rollover cap $ so it's no big deal. Just front load it.

Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

It says:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I just think Kirk doesn't want to be in DC at the end of the day

I have spoken to many in regards to Redskins and Cousins...told there isn't a real price that will make Kirk Cousins happy...this is deeper

— Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) June 27, 2017

Looking more and more like it.

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

Originally posted by Polkadots:
And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

It says:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I just think Kirk doesn't want to be in DC at the end of the day

I have spoken to many in regards to Redskins and Cousins...told there isn't a real price that will make Kirk Cousins happy...this is deeper

— Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) June 27, 2017

Looking more and more like it.

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

stop denying, it only makes it worse

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

It says:

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

That was June and Kirk has since said it was about the tag and ability to test himself in fa. $. He's going to make 130+ million in guaranteed $ after you combine his tags the last 2 years + new deal. His agent played it perfectly.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

It says:

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

That was June and Kirk has since said it was about the tag and ability to test himself in fa. $. He's going to make 130+ million in guaranteed $ after you combine his tags the last 2 years + new deal. His agent played it perfectly.

And Snyder couldn't have played it worse. What a moron.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Check out post #1717 in thread, 49ers agree to contract with Kyle shanahan.

It says:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I just think Kirk doesn't want to be in DC at the end of the day

I have spoken to many in regards to Redskins and Cousins...told there isn't a real price that will make Kirk Cousins happy...this is deeper

— Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) June 27, 2017

Looking more and more like it.

And I don't buy it. It doesn't make any sense. If there were deeper issues he would have been out by now. The guy is all about money (which, is totally fine!). The only thing I don't like about him, in terms of character, is that he tries to play it up as though it isn't about money. Oh, and pushing that charity ref was pretty douchey

stop denying, it only makes it worse

I don't understand. Are you saying you believe there are deeper issues which would make KC turn down more money just to leave his situation in Washington? I mean, you're of course entitled to your opinion, but every action KC has taken thus far is evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by English:
And Snyder couldn't have played it worse. What a moron.

Pretty much

This was part of a response to what I thought was a really informative Mail Bag article by Matt Maiocco in the news feed today. It had to do with a question about whether or not Beathard would get a start this year but has a lot to do with how the 49er staff are viewing the season in general.

"The 49ers know their roster is not built to win right now. This season is all about setting up the organization for the future. It was paramount that the 49ers brought in a quarterback this season that fits the offensive system. Hoyer knows the system. And he is the style of quarterback that Shanahan envisions for the 49ers into the future. Shanahan made the determination shortly after becoming head coach that Colin Kaepernick's skillset was not a match for his offense.

All things being equal, yes, I think it's obvious Kaepernick is a better player than Hoyer. But if the 49ers retained Kaepernick this season, Shanahan would have been forced to make major tweaks to his offense to take full advantage of Kaepernick's style. Hoyer underperformed in the 49ers' first four games. While he does not appear to fit into the team's long-term plans, he serves a valuable purpose of being a placeholder at the quarterback position while helping prepare the rest of the offense for the future.After all, every player on offense is learning and training in a way that will help them in 2018 and beyond. If the 49ers had a quarterback who does not fit the system, then this would be a wasted year for every player on offense."

This isn't meant to be any kind of back handed slam towards Kaepernick but rather seems to emphasize that this year isn't going to be about wins and losses so much as it will be about everyone learning the system and laying the foundation for whatever comes next. I think the learning process includes not only the players but the coaches and GM as well. Shanahan needs to learn more about how to be both an offensive coordinator and a head coach. Saleh needs to learn more about how to be a defensive coordinator. Lynch needs to learn more about how to be a GM. I haven't seen anything so far this year that leads me to believe that they won't get there.

The team is playing better on some fronts, The offensive scheme is clearly better than it has been for awhile. It just needs better execution to make it work. That may involve more understanding by the players or more discipline, or it may mean they need new players in some places. That is what they are trying to find out, in the meantime they are doing the best they can with what they have. Which means that all of this handwringing and bed wetting over Shanahan is probably a bit premature. Most likely how he an Lynch are doing won't be even be discernable until next year at the earliest when we find out what is going to happen at the QB position. Go Niners!!