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9moon
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who runs into a walk for 7 mins and goes 3 and out then gives the ball to that offense? A f**king jack ass that's who.
The plays were there!
Our QB f**ked up deal with it
Man as much as you humble me in the Tevin Colemam thread, I thought you would know this. You're very knowledgeable about football but I can't agree with you on that one. Odds of picking up a first on that drive are high. Even if they dont, 3 minutes on the clock basically gives you at most 4 plays before two minute warning. If they haven't scored by then the game is over. They have to start using timeouts and they have to move faster. Make them use as much time as you can if they can score
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a dick not my intention. You can plainly see that they're crash in on the run. They're selling out and allowing Jimmy to throw the ball. Guys are open and he simply can't covert. It's not hard stuff.
IS THAT HOW YOU REALLY SEE THIS??
Could it be that Kyle " ALL FEAR " Shanahan called a STUPID play where he lines up his offense on a close to a BUNCH FORMATION instead of spreading the defense WIDE???
I'm pretty sure the defense just look BUNCH because they are lining up the way the offense is lined up..
had this been a WIDER FORMATION, maybe Jimmy would have seen more clear...
or better yet, why EVEN send a RB w/an aching shoulder to run a SLANT when we could have send a WR?
THIS FALLS UNDER THE " Being too Cute "
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Promote Katie sowers, she doesn't have balls either.
She got bigger balls than shanny.
Shanahan outscored 46 - 0 in 2 Super Bowls in the 4th quarter.......
Yeah, I posted that too right after this f'n loss. How is this possible??????
It's possible for Shanahan. Because he keeps doing it.
He claimed to have learned from the ATL vs. NE Super Bowl debacle, but his actions say differently.
I still can't believe he didn't call a timeout with 1:30 in the second quarter and was OK with going into the half at 10-10. I've never seen a team concede the half with 1:30 on the clock about to receive the ball.
Meanwhile, Reid goes for it twice on 4th down. Win/Losses can come down to coaching decisions. This was a read real head scratcher.
This is the same problem he had with Baltimore and Seattle as well... being GUN SHY when the situation becomes tight !!
EVEN Lynch was shown on TV indicating that we should call TO in order and try to get a FG instead of running out the clock so that KC offense does not get in there... this action shows you that HE WAS ALREADY CHOKING w/his belief to be aggressive.
HE WAS "ALL FEAR " !!!!
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Shanny ran the clock out instead of scoring end of the 1st half
Shanny tried to "get first downs" instead of running the clock end of the 2nd half.
Swap those two situations and we win handidly
Agree. He was running out the clock tied at 10-10 in the second quarter, but airing it out up 20-10 in the 4th.
Makes no sense.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Feb 3, 2020 at 4:46 PM ]
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49ers90sBaby
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a dick not my intention. You can plainly see that they're crash in on the run. They're selling out and allowing Jimmy to throw the ball. Guys are open and he simply can't covert. It's not hard stuff.
You're not, just saying you knowledgeable about football
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by 9moon:
IS THAT HOW YOU REALLY SEE THIS??
Could it be that Kyle " ALL FEAR " Shanahan called a STUPID play where he lines up his offense on a close to a BUNCH FORMATION instead of spreading the defense WIDE???
I'm pretty sure the defense just look BUNCH because they are lining up the way the offense is lined up..
had this been a WIDER FORMATION, maybe Jimmy would have seen more clear...
or better yet, why EVEN send a RB w/an aching shoulder to run a SLANT when we could have send a WR?
THIS FALLS UNDER THE " Being too Cute "
Dude those are layup throws and he missed them plain as day
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9moon
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Shanny ran the clock out instead of scoring end of the 1st half
Shanny tried to "get first downs" instead of running the clock end of the 2nd half.
Swap those two situations and we win handidly
Agree. He was running out the clock tied at 10-10 in the second quarter, but airing it out up 20-10 in the 4th.
Makes no sense.
BEST POST OF THE SEASON !!
I'M WITH YOU BRATHAHHHHH !!!!
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Young2Rice
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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Shanny ran the clock out instead of scoring end of the 1st half
Shanny tried to "get first downs" instead of running the clock end of the 2nd half.
Swap those two situations and we win handidly
Agree. He was running out the clock tied at 10-10 in the second quarter, but airing it out up 20-10 in the 4th.
Makes no sense.
BEST POST OF THE SEASON !!
I'M WITH YOU BRATHAHHHHH !!!!
Thanks bro.
Waiving the white flag at halftime sent the message that he doesn't trust the offense to move the ball and doesn't trust the defense to get KC off the field of the offense didn't drive.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Feb 3, 2020 at 5:11 PM ]
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The biggest thing haunting me is that we didn't at least use a time out on the last 3rd or 4th. -I understand Kyle was going "all-in" for the win, as this strategy won us the Cards game at home to the nub (and many others), but damn, our whole offense looked f**king confused, and Jimmy didn't even have time to spot/telegraph the blitz stuns off the right edge. Smh, damn this one hurts.
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Shanny ran the clock out instead of scoring end of the 1st half
Shanny tried to "get first downs" instead of running the clock end of the 2nd half.
Swap those two situations and we win handidly
Agree. He was running out the clock tied at 10-10 in the second quarter, but airing it out up 20-10 in the 4th.
Makes no sense.
BEST POST OF THE SEASON !!
I'M WITH YOU BRATHAHHHHH !!!!
Thanks bro.
Waiving the white flag at halftime sent the message that he doesn't trust the offense to move the ball and doesn't trust the defense to get KC off the field of the offense didn't drive.
This. So much this. Argue about Jimmy G missing throws and not seeing open targets (which he did I won't argue that) but that doesn't explain Kyle's rationale.
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yes, it HURTS because we had this game WON..
our defense held them 10 points for 3 quarters and it should have been our offense that went for the KILL...
again, even Troy Aikman ASSUMED that we were going to run it down their throat !!!
and even the HONEY BADGER was going ballistic on the sideline because he FELT that we HAD THEM..
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9moon
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
IS THAT HOW YOU REALLY SEE THIS??
Could it be that Kyle " ALL FEAR " Shanahan called a STUPID play where he lines up his offense on a close to a BUNCH FORMATION instead of spreading the defense WIDE???
I'm pretty sure the defense just look BUNCH because they are lining up the way the offense is lined up..
had this been a WIDER FORMATION, maybe Jimmy would have seen more clear...
or better yet, why EVEN send a RB w/an aching shoulder to run a SLANT when we could have send a WR?
THIS FALLS UNDER THE " Being too Cute "
Dude those are layup throws and he missed them plain as day
so, YOU fully believe that the lost was on JIMMY??
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I have so much to say so please stay with me....to start I am seeing two polar opposite sided reactions here in which i dont agree with either of them. First, anyone saying we need to move on from Kyle is overreacting. Yep, he messed up in the SB. He overthought things and was so worried about the other team it caused him to abandon what has made him so successful this year. He is a good coach but just messed up this one game. Granted. It was the SB. Makes it worse. But he is the best coach we have had in a long time.
Second, we need to hold people accountable despite loving them. These players make millions and its their 'profession'. In any profession, if in your job you really perform poorly, you will be pulled aside and talked to and expected to learn and improve. Same goes for coaches and players. Kyle messed up. Lynch and Jed, in a positive constructive way need to talk to Kyle about what went wrong. And this talk needs to happen with Jimmy G as well.
Jimmy G is an average game manager at best. This is not a diss. To be at the NFL level and be a game manager to me is actually good. Its not great and its not 'franchise' level play, but with how this team was put together it wasnt needed either. However we do need to be consistent, and there is my concern here. With the game tied at 10, having your timeouts with almost 2 minutes left, you must try to score. You must have that killer mentality and for a reason our coach didnt. That reason was the lack of consistency with the QB. After the game our very own coach stated he was comfortable being tied at 10 going into the half which is how he explains his play calling. When i heard that my heart sank. You simply can not win with that mindset going up vs a team that can put points up fast. You cant win by having the other team dictate your calls. And really what message do you think that sent to our players? What do tou think Kittle or Deebo (who set a record for wr in rushing and yet was not in our plays in the second half), or to Sanders and or defense? It tells them rhe coach is not confident in them. Its bad.
So it's obvious how the coach evaluated Jimmy G. And being honest yes, he played very poorly when it mattered most. Some talk about how he played in the first 3 quarters and how good it was. It looked good with the stats. Ut most of his yards were YAC yards. In reality he was throwing for an average of 4.7 yards per throw, and then our wrs expanded on after the catch to their credit. Most of the time he was a single read qb who threw lots of checkdowns. He was raddled the who game. A statue in the pocket. This is just who Jimmy G is, good and bad. Can the kid get better, calm down emotionally and improve? I really hope so. But if you are going to stick with him and expect to win, you must playcall a certain type of game designed around his limitations. And we did that all season long by creating a creative run game with tons of motion and trick zone runs and high percentage medium range passes and short passes thst allowed all those YAC yards. Can we win with this QB? Yes. But you have to call the right game in the right system to make it work. A QB like this can have a onevin awhile very good game such as vs the Saints and Cards, BUT wont deliver this type of result consistently. When he is focused and calmed down he is an average game manager and in this system i have no problem with that at all. Because we can wn with that, as we have all year.
Yes Jimmy played poorly. Because we abandoned the style of game that hides his weaknesses and highlights his strengths. That is what cost us this game. Kyle for some reason abandoned what has worked all year and asked Jimmy G to do things that dont play to what he can actually do.
Now that is just truth. You dont have to agree with or like it. And no i am not even saying we need to fire our coach. Thats silly. However IF you are going to keep this QB you must stick with the plan he can actually work with. If you are not going to then get a different QB. Go get Ryan Tannihill who is a bit better of a QB to be honest. However to win you dont even need to change QBs. You must however not allow yourself to once again overthink things and abandon what has worked all year. Kyle got freaked out, coached out of fear (which he practically eluded to after the game as he explained his actions before the half), and it resulted in overthinking, trying to protect a lead as opposed to expand it, went conservative, and it cost us a championship.
So what would help make this a bit more...idk, digestable? Honestly, if Kyle came out and simply stated that he made some mistakes, that he promises to take them to heart and learn from them, and said he will grow and lesrn from this and move forward. That type of self accountability is leadership to me. Failure doesnt define us its how we react to it. My biggest fear here is that he feels he didnt nothing at all wrong, refuses to acknowledge mistakes, and keeps doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result. Saying something like "We just failed to execute " to me is a cop out and deflects the blame on the players. Some players played poorly. Yes. But
I dont blame our defense. How much can we ask of them? They were not given a breather for god sake in the 4th because our offense could not get first downs. We were averaging 6 full yards per carry, in the first half Deebo set a SB record for WRs running the ball and Mostert was playing well. So what do we decide to do. We stopped doing that and forced our QB to do things he was not able to do. Fear causes us to do things that dont make sense. This made no sense.
Listen, im just a fan at the end if the day and i have been wrong just as much as i have right. Can i be totally wrong here? Sure. But its just a fans opinion (with commentators who have played the game having similar thoughts), who thinks that to stop doing not only what has worked so well all year but also abandoning how our very team is defined, simply does not work.
We dont need a new coach or even another QB (IF you are going to call a certain game plan consistently), but what is needed is accountability by our coach, who is our leader, that yes he messed up. Honestly id be so impressed with that type of statement and leadership I could much easier move on from this loss. Coach John H could not do this because of his ego. If Kyle cant for the same reason I fear we are doomed to a similar fate as what happened from 2012-2014. But....thats just one fan's opinion and a fan that will always be a fan of this Team.
Loosing this game is heartbreaking and will be hard to get over. But thats because we are all so invested. I feel i am particularly invested and was invested hard this year. I have Cystic Fibrosis end stage as well as Stage 4 Colon Cancer and my prognosis is like 3-4 years at best. Im fearful. I really wanted to see my 49ers win another SB before I pass. And i was very tearful after this game in that i was thinking it is not going to happen now. But its been a couple days now and I honestly dont feel our window has totally closed. IF and its a big IF, if we handle this right, with the leadership via accountability like i stated we need to hear from Kyle, and the coach and players can learn and grow, i feel we have the pieces in place to still make another run. With the above and the right decisions this offseason with our draft and FA, we can rise above this. And for me there is this new drug called Trikafta which may buy me some more time. Its all doable. I am forever Faithful.
Blessings all.
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Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who runs into a walk for 7 mins and goes 3 and out then gives the ball to that offense? A f**king jack ass that's who.
The plays were there!
Our QB f**ked up deal with it
These guys won't watch the video. They refuse to believe Garoppolo s**t the bed this hard
The point is you have one of the best running attacks in history. RUN THE BALL AND YOU WIN THE GAME, SIMPLE. Ravens SB 1st and goal on the 5 and what did we do with one of the best RBs in history? Throw fades to the back of the end zone WTF!?
