49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Niners816:

That's 1 more win then the combined 0-9 record that NE opponents have. Luckily they don't ask who or how, they just ask how many.

Understood but if you're going to point to the Dolphins (not you but the guy I quoted) you got to know we played so so competition too.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Niners816:

That's 1 more win then the combined 0-9 record that NE opponents have. Luckily they don't ask who or how, they just ask how many.

Understood but if you're going to point to the Dolphins (not you but the guy I quoted) you got to know we played so so competition too.

Yeah but the Dolphins are like next level bad. You can't tell me any of the teams we've played are as bad as the Dolphins. They're staring at 0-16 bad

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

We have the 4th ranked offense right now, and 2 teams in the top 5 have played the Dolphins....lol

Our teams have 1 win amongst themselves too though.

That's 1 more win then the combined 0-9 record that NE opponents have. Luckily they don't ask who or how, they just ask how many.

Its true. I feel like we give mad props to NE and KC for their success and have a, "grass is greener" mentality to those teams. NE runs the ball 40 times but 3 TB TD highlights show up on NFLN and our fans start talking about how dominate TB looks and how Jimmy needs a run game.

Or we'll put caveats to our wins(look who we've played) but not other teams.

Just look at yesterday, if you just remove the 3 self inflicted turns (1st pick and the 2 on snaps) you're looking a 31-14 or 35-14 type ass kicking. If we woulda played clean we probably go over 40 again. Seriously though I remember Dynasty day teams that wouldn't over come 5 turns and a -3.

6.2.5

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
My question is can Kyle's offense perform like a juggernaut if the run game is getting stuffed? Very concerned about this. NE can dominate without a run game. We seem to heavily struggle if our run game is not dominating or if a team does not respect the passing game. Best way to defend us is to shoot the gaps and run blitz because a lot of Kyle's routes do seem to take time via play action. There were some passes Jimmy made that only he or Rodgers can make in terms of getting that ball out quick enough while getting hit.
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Watch the NFL films "do your job part 3" from this past year. NE went back to a run game because they weren't winning. They lost back to back games in December last year then reevaluated and went to a more heavy running attack. Both BB and Josh McDaniels talked about it.

I agree that having a run game is vital but NE, when needed, can go spread offense and still do serious damage. The run game helps them and other teams bust open the defense for wide open passes. I'm just wondering if Kyle's offense, if needed, can still be effective if the run-game is getting blasted. I mean, does he have a solid shotgun offense? His SB while with ATL, once his RB was out, his offense sputtered big time and it cost him a big lead and a ring. Look at McVay, NE primary goal was to stop the run and RB screen passes. Made the Rams look like a college offense.

I have seen NE go into a spread offense and put together good drives. I haven't seen often enough if Kyle can call an effective offense in a shotgun/spread type of scenario.

Originally posted by NCommand:

#49ers are tied for worst in the NFL with eight turnovers and have had 25 accepted penalties against them (tied for fourth worst). Yet, they sit at 3-0.

Two ways to look at this: 1) If SF cleans it up the sky's the limit, or 2) If they don't, winning just isn't sustainable

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 23, 2019

Way to throw a wet blanket on everything, Sacco.....

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Yeah but the Dolphins are like next level bad. You can't tell me any of the teams we've played are as bad as the Dolphins. They're staring at 0-16 bad

True

Originally posted by Joecool:

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I agree that having a run game is vital but NE, when needed, can go spread offense and still do serious damage. The run game helps them and other teams bust open the defense for wide open passes. I'm just wondering if Kyle's offense, if needed, can still be effective if the run-game is getting blasted. I mean, does he have a solid shotgun offense? His SB while with ATL, once his RB was out, his offense sputtered big time and it cost him a big lead and a ring. Look at McVay, NE primary goal was to stop the run and RB screen passes. Made the Rams look like a college offense.

I have seen NE go into a spread offense and put together good drives. I haven't seen often enough if Kyle can call an effective offense in a shotgun/spread type of scenario.

NE has Brady and Belichick. They've been doing what they do for a long time and are the absolute best at it. I wouldn't look to them as a comparison for anything.

Originally posted by NCommand:

#49ers are tied for worst in the NFL with eight turnovers and have had 25 accepted penalties against them (tied for fourth worst). Yet, they sit at 3-0.

Two ways to look at this: 1) If SF cleans it up the sky's the limit, or 2) If they don't, winning just isn't sustainable

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 23, 2019

5 turnovers in 1 game, lol. how I look at it?

THAT level of turnovers will not sustain itself. the rate at which we're turning over the ball is the unsustainable point.

3 turnovers in 2 games, then all of a sudden we turn it over 5 times in 1 game?

fluke. won't continue. period.

Originally posted by Joecool:

6.2.5

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:

My question is can Kyle's offense perform like a juggernaut if the run game is getting stuffed? Very concerned about this. NE can dominate without a run game. We seem to heavily struggle if our run game is not dominating or if a team does not respect the passing game. Best way to defend us is to shoot the gaps and run blitz because a lot of Kyle's routes do seem to take time via play action. There were some passes Jimmy made that only he or Rodgers can make in terms of getting that ball out quick enough while getting hit.
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Watch the NFL films "do your job part 3" from this past year. NE went back to a run game because they weren't winning. They lost back to back games in December last year then reevaluated and went to a more heavy running attack. Both BB and Josh McDaniels talked about it.

I agree that having a run game is vital but NE, when needed, can go spread offense and still do serious damage. The run game helps them and other teams bust open the defense for wide open passes. I'm just wondering if Kyle's offense, if needed, can still be effective if the run-game is getting blasted. I mean, does he have a solid shotgun offense? His SB while with ATL, once his RB was out, his offense sputtered big time and it cost him a big lead and a ring. Look at McVay, NE primary goal was to stop the run and RB screen passes. Made the Rams look like a college offense.

I have seen NE go into a spread offense and put together good drives. I haven't seen often enough if Kyle can call an effective offense in a shotgun/spread type of scenario.

At times, but not all the time. Like i said, they lost 2 games in December last year, which they hadn't had happen in a loooong time trying to do what you just said, spread it out and throw, and it didn't work. Every team needs to run the ball to some extent to have sustainable success. That's why NE beat KC in the AFCCG. One team could run the ball, the other couldn't.

That's not to say NE couldn't throw the ball, TB led the game winning drive, but KC's offensive chances were limited by NE's running game.

NE had 47 runs in that game to 46 TB passes. That's why the defense was gassed at the end.

Look at KC, 13 runs..... to 31 PM passes.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

#49ers are tied for worst in the NFL with eight turnovers and have had 25 accepted penalties against them (tied for fourth worst). Yet, they sit at 3-0.

Two ways to look at this: 1) If SF cleans it up the sky's the limit, or 2) If they don't, winning just isn't sustainable

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 23, 2019

Way to throw a wet blanket on everything, Sacco.....

I've made my feelings known on the penalties (officiating is s**t in this league so there's a bit of randomness to penalties and you can win and overcome them). As for turnovers, I'll agree that if we are turning it over 5 times a game we won't continue to win but I just don't see that being the case.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

#49ers are tied for worst in the NFL with eight turnovers and have had 25 accepted penalties against them (tied for fourth worst). Yet, they sit at 3-0.

Two ways to look at this: 1) If SF cleans it up the sky's the limit, or 2) If they don't, winning just isn't sustainable

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 23, 2019

Way to throw a wet blanket on everything, Sacco.....

I dont think it's a wet blanket. It's true we have to clean it up, but I think its a good sign that this team can win through adversity. But yeah if we wanna win a championship we cant tean the ball over.

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Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
6.2.5

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
My question is can Kyle's offense perform like a juggernaut if the run game is getting stuffed? Very concerned about this. NE can dominate without a run game. We seem to heavily struggle if our run game is not dominating or if a team does not respect the passing game. Best way to defend us is to shoot the gaps and run blitz because a lot of Kyle's routes do seem to take time via play action. There were some passes Jimmy made that only he or Rodgers can make in terms of getting that ball out quick enough while getting hit.
6.2.5

Watch the NFL films "do your job part 3" from this past year. NE went back to a run game because they weren't winning. They lost back to back games in December last year then reevaluated and went to a more heavy running attack. Both BB and Josh McDaniels talked about it.

I agree that having a run game is vital but NE, when needed, can go spread offense and still do serious damage. The run game helps them and other teams bust open the defense for wide open passes. I'm just wondering if Kyle's offense, if needed, can still be effective if the run-game is getting blasted. I mean, does he have a solid shotgun offense? His SB while with ATL, once his RB was out, his offense sputtered big time and it cost him a big lead and a ring. Look at McVay, NE primary goal was to stop the run and RB screen passes. Made the Rams look like a college offense.

I have seen NE go into a spread offense and put together good drives. I haven't seen often enough if Kyle can call an effective offense in a shotgun/spread type of scenario.

At times, but not all the time. Like i said, they lost 2 games in December last year, which they hadn't had happen in a loooong time trying to do what you just said, spread it out and throw, and it didn't work. Every team needs to run the ball to some extent to have sustainable success. That's why NE beat KC in the AFCCG. One team could run the ball, the other couldn't.

That's not to say NE couldn't throw the ball, TB led the game winning drive, but KC's offensive chances were limited by NE's running game.

NE had 47 runs in that game to 46 TB passes. That's why the defense was gassed at the end.

Look at KC, 13 runs..... to 31 PM passes.

Just looking ahead. The keys to beating this type of offense is to make a goal to blow up the stretch. It only gets tougher so we need to figure out how to succeed in shotgun if needed.

Phoenix, NE does have TB and BB but Brady struggles without a quick 0 to 10 yard outlet. White and Edelman create so many mismatches and that's how they have success in spread style as well. We have some very quick WRs in James Jr and Deebo. Would think Kyle could work on some stuff that doesn't depend heavy on the system and simply depends on one player vs another. When it really comes down to it, that's what wins titles.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle is just a genius. Period.

Yeah, but so is Bellicheat.