49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Looking at the all time passer rating list I see:
#2 all time Russell Wilson
Montana at 13 just ahead of 14th ranked Chad Pennington
17th ranked Kaepernick
30th Dan Marino

I put Cousins and Smith on the same tier. Good, maybe just above average for a full time starter.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I will be extremely disappointed in this team and the management if they decide to cut bait with Jimmy after a potential lackluster season and swing a trade for Kirk Cousins like Florio is speculating.

But ya, it definitely sounds like some garbage that is in the back of Shanahans head. So wouldn't be surprised

I just don't see Jimmy having a bad year, now last year was a bad year for him - injuries will do that. But we'll see. But I just don't see him laying an egg this year considering our offensive and defensive personnel are much improved over when he went 5-0 his first time here.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Let's be honest Cousins isn't "average"

He's good. He's not great.

He was top 10 in virtually every QB category last season. One of only 4 players who had 30+ TDs and 10 or less INT.

People are blaming the Vikings poor season on him but that's crazy. Does he have that IT factor the elite QBs have? Maybe not. But that does't make him average.

He's a good QB that gets hated on because he's not Drew Brees. He puts up good numbers and does his job for the most part despite being put into less than ideal circumstances.

I think the fact that he's gonna make $130M all said in done (until his next contract), plus all the previous stuff with DC adds to it as well.

Who's more clutch in big games...Cousins or Harbaugh? Haha

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Looking at the all time passer rating list I see:
#2 all time Russell Wilson
Montana at 13 just ahead of 14th ranked Chad Pennington
17th ranked Kaepernick
30th Dan Marino

I put Cousins and Smith on the same tier. Good, maybe just above average for a full time starter.

Cousins is a bit better. And hes only been starting for 4 years now. He could still get better.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
That's not really true. Both times CJ has lost the job were due to injury and the guy replacing him playing too well to give the job back to CJ. Shanahan doesn't seem to like Mullens that much. I wouldn't be surprised if CJ "wins" the #2 job in training camp and we trade Mullens for a late pick.

You're right that Mullens went in after CJ got hurt but Kyle saw that Mullens was playing too well to put CJ back in. He does seem to want CJ to be the #2 guy. Could be because they used a 3rd rounder on him or maybe he just sees more potential. He already said there will be a battle in camp for the backup job. It's on CJ now to show he has learned the offense well enough that he doesn't have to hold the ball so long. I don't care who wins out as long as the best guy is in there when we need him.

I think we'll keep all 3 QB

Mullens is definitely better but KS wants CJ. Why? Don't know and don't care.

Pre-season won't prove a lot since they're meaningless games w/out real game pressures.

IMO, CJ will be given opportunities to compete in TC

BUT the HC and GM both know they have to win as many games as possible and Mullens gives them a better chance to win if needed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who's more clutch in big games...Cousins or Harbaugh? Haha

Comebacks when trailing in 4th quarter against teams with a winning record.



Aaron Rodgers-24 games, average deficit-11.3 points, total wins-2.

Kirk Cousins-18 games, average deficit-11.5 points, total wins-2.

Originally posted by genus49:

Let's be honest Cousins isn't "average"

He's good. He's not great.

He was top 10 in virtually every QB category last season. One of only 4 players who had 30+ TDs and 10 or less INT.

People are blaming the Vikings poor season on him but that's crazy. Does he have that IT factor the elite QBs have? Maybe not. But that does't make him average.

The flak he gets might have something to do with his 4-24 record against teams with a winning record. That's obviously not all his fault, but it doesn't inspire confidence either.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who's more clutch in big games...Cousins or Harbaugh? Haha

Lol there's a debate

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
I think we'll keep all 3 QB

Mullens is definitely better but KS wants CJ. Why? Don't know and don't care.

Pre-season won't prove a lot since they're meaningless games w/out real game pressures.

IMO, CJ will be given opportunities to compete in TC

BUT the HC and GM both know they have to win as many games as possible and Mullens gives them a better chance to win if needed.

Mostly true but do we know for sure that CJ hasn't improved in the off season. He has a better skill set and size than Mullens but lacked knowledge of the playbook so he was unable to recognize things on the field as quickly as Mullens. If he worked hard enough and has improved in those areas he might turn out to be better than Mullens ( which would really be good). If not than Mullens keeps the #2 spot. We win either way.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Looking at the all time passer rating list I see:
#2 all time Russell Wilson
Montana at 13 just ahead of 14th ranked Chad Pennington
17th ranked Kaepernick
30th Dan Marino

I put Cousins and Smith on the same tier. Good, maybe just above average for a full time starter.

Both have been in the 8-14 range for the past 4 seasons.
Disagree?

Originally posted by OldJoe:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Did you actually watch the entire segment? His point was as a comparison to Belichik at this stage of their respective careers, and how BB did not win consistently until he got his franchise QB. He cites health (particularly to your #1 QB), and strength of schedule his fist two years. I had never thought about the angle of how hard the Niners schedule has been since Shanny took over. Peoples preconceived notions always skew how they interpret things I guess. This is just one dude opinion at the end of the day.

Not a fan of comparisons....
Reminds me when a NFL coach wins only 2 games his first year or someone drafts a QB in the 7th round. They will not turn out to be Bill Walsh and Tom Brady. No one has duplicated those starts and become anything special. So quit the lame comparisons.

I did not make the comparison, Cowherd did. In this case, and according to the eye test of Shanny the last couple years, it holds water imo. Not a fan of Cowherd, but I agree with this take.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by OldJoe:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Did you actually watch the entire segment? His point was as a comparison to Belichik at this stage of their respective careers, and how BB did not win consistently until he got his franchise QB. He cites health (particularly to your #1 QB), and strength of schedule his fist two years. I had never thought about the angle of how hard the Niners schedule has been since Shanny took over. Peoples preconceived notions always skew how they interpret things I guess. This is just one dude opinion at the end of the day.

Not a fan of comparisons....
Reminds me when a NFL coach wins only 2 games his first year or someone drafts a QB in the 7th round. They will not turn out to be Bill Walsh and Tom Brady. No one has duplicated those starts and become anything special. So quit the lame comparisons.

I did not make the comparison, Cowherd did. In this case, and according to the eye test of Shanny the last couple years, it holds water imo. Not a fan of Cowherd, but I agree with this take.

Agree, I share your opinion. Kyle Shanahan is 39, Bill Bellicheat was 39 when he was Head Coach of the Cleveland browns and went 6-10 just like Kyle did his first year with the 49ers. I think comparing Kyle at 39 and Bellicheat at 39 is a fine comparison in my book. Something notable, Bellicheat didn't get his franchise QB until 9 years later. Kyle, I think, got his franchise QB his first year via Trade. On top of that he got a great backup QB in Mullens. Bellicheat back then, probably wasn't the offensive wizard he is now, and you can say the same thing with Kyle on the defensive side. But Bellicheat had Nick Saban as his DC when he was with the Browns, and Kyle has McVay and Scangarello as his offensive disciples, which I think are kind of comparable.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who's more clutch in big games...Cousins or Harbaugh? Haha

Harbaugh was the comeback kid