49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Listen go back to my posts about Kyle and I had a lot of concerns about him as a HC, especially after hearing reports of him being...well a douche in Washington.

Everything I was worried about has not happened here. Kyle has been great with everyone from reports as well as how the team speaks about him and how they play for him.

Belichick has some key people with him who play a lot into his success and I'm not even talking about Tom Brady. How many people know about Ernie Adams?

Belichick has surrounded himself with some pretty impressive coordinators in his time with New England as well. He knows what he knows which is defense and he's a master on that side of the ball which is why can go from Romeo Crennell to Eric Mangini to Dean Pees to Matt Patricia and then Brian Flores and not miss much of a beat.

On offense he has arguably the best QB to ever play the game to help that side of the ball and some quality coordinators.

Kyle knows offense. I'm sure if he wanted an OC they'd have success despite a rotation of people. On defense we don't have a QB/Brady. We also don't have a defensive version of Josh McDaniels. We have Saleh who wasn't our first or second plan...he needs help.

It's unfair to judge Kyle at this point given the state of the roster when he got it and the injuries we dealt with last year.

Has he been perfect? Absolutely not. That 2017 draft needs a major rebound this year and having Foster be a bust due to stupidity puts a huge tarnish on the draft. Thomas and Witherspoon still have time to prove themselves. Kittle is a stud. Trent Taylor sounds like he may be having a comeback of his own in the works. DJ Jones is a promising player and Matt Breida is a great find.

Need to see how this year plays out to really do a proper evaluation but I've seen good things from Kyle. If the defense gets it together he'll make sure the offense is doing it's thing but coaches are only as good as their players and position coaches. No HC handles all the duties of a team.

Belichick had plenty of draft whiffs. Look at their 2000 draft...yes that one. 10 players selected. Outside of some guy in the 6th round they had 3 seasons worth of starts from that whole class and they weren't very good starters either. Think the Pats are upset about that draft?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kirk Cousins is who he is, there is no reason to believe we haven't seen his ceiling.

5,000 yards passing, 25 to 30 TDs, QB rating of 97 or higher. I'll take that every day of the week. No reason to think that Shanahan couldn't get the best out of Cousins and play to his strengths.

He has thrown for over 4300 yards once in his career.
25-30 TDs with 10-13 INT is around average for a regular starter.

I'd rather have Mahomes.

And, I would rather have Jimmy G.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kirk Cousins is who he is, there is no reason to believe we haven't seen his ceiling.

5,000 yards passing, 25 to 30 TDs, QB rating of 97 or higher. I'll take that every day of the week. No reason to think that Shanahan couldn't get the best out of Cousins and play to his strengths.

He has thrown for over 4300 yards once in his career.
25-30 TDs with 10-13 INT is around average for a regular starter.

I'd rather have Mahomes.

And, I would rather have Jimmy G.

Mahomes has done what he's done just once in his career too

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has thrown for over 4300 yards once in his career.
25-30 TDs with 10-13 INT is around average for a regular starter.

I'd rather have Mahomes.

And, I would rather have Jimmy G.

He ranks Top 10 all time for QB rating, nothing average about that. He's an ideal WCO QB which is why Shanahan was looking for a reunion.


He's also played nearly every season without any run game to speak of. Teams were daring Washington to run much of the time and loading up against the pass.





He's a good quarterback subject to a lot of bogus, out of context talking points. Something we also saw with Andrew Luck until Indy finally gave him an OL and a guy who knows how to run an NFL offense.


I would have zero problem with him as the 49ers QB. Shanahan would definitely be able to utilize him far better than DeFilippo did.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has thrown for over 4300 yards once in his career.
25-30 TDs with 10-13 INT is around average for a regular starter.

I'd rather have Mahomes.

And, I would rather have Jimmy G.

He ranks Top 10 all time for QB rating, nothing average about that. He's an ideal WCO QB which is why Shanahan was looking for a reunion.


He's also played nearly every season without any run game to speak of. Teams were daring Washington to run much of the time and loading up against the pass. He's a good quarterback.

All I'm saying is if Jimmy G gives us 70% 4300 yards 30 Tds and a 95+ rating I will be stoked. It's would be the best season we've seen in red and gold since 2001.

I think Jimmy has a higher ceiling than Cousins but this narrative that Cousins is s**t is hilarious.

Originally posted by Niners816:

All I'm saying is if Jimmy G gives us 70% 4300 yards 30 Tds and a 95+ rating I will be stoked. It's would be the best season we've seen in red and gold since 2001.

I think Jimmy has a higher ceiling than Cousins but this narrative that Cousins is s**t is hilarious.

This. There are teenage 49ers fans who haven't seen a better season from a 49ers QB in their lifetimes than the one Cousins just had for the Vikings and people are like "dude is garbage."



The main problem in Minnesota last year, and I've also heard this from several Vikings fans, is that DeFillipo was calling offense like he was trying to get a HC offer and not calling a smart, balanced and consistent offense. He was constantly looking for the homerun ball, calling long developing pass plays that he didn't have the OL for and neglected the run far too often. Dude got caught up in his own hype.



With Kubiak now onboard, I think Cousins has a better season overall as they run the offense more to his strengths.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by Joecool:

If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Kap is a gimmick QB and Kyle would have to use a Washington playbook when he instead wanted the more versatile Atl playbook. Hoyer was a better choice because he was familiar with the system.

Over 12000 yds. passing, 2300 rushing, 60% completion rate, 2.4:1 QB to INT ratio, 90 QBR. Some gimmick.

In the right system, Kap would have been a good QB. But Kyle didn't want to run the read option and have his QB take hits running the ball. Also, Kyle didn't like that offensive system anyway - too simplistic and not enough deception built into it.

What I like about the under center offense is that it has a good balance between run and pass, and nowadyas with Nascar offenses, and defenses geared to stop 4 wide offenses, a balanced offensive scheme is an outlier and goes against the copy-cat tendencies of the NFL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:

All I'm saying is if Jimmy G gives us 70% 4300 yards 30 Tds and a 95+ rating I will be stoked. It's would be the best season we've seen in red and gold since 2001.

I think Jimmy has a higher ceiling than Cousins but this narrative that Cousins is s**t is hilarious.

This. There are teenage 49ers fans who haven't seen a better season from a 49ers QB in their lifetimes than the one Cousins just had for the Vikings and people are like "dude is garbage."



The main problem in Minnesota last year, and I've also heard this from several Vikings fans, is that DeFillipo was calling offense like he was trying to get a HC offer and not calling a smart, balanced and consistent offense. He was constantly looking for the homerun ball, calling long developing pass plays that he didn't have the OL for and neglected the run far too often. Dude got caught up in his own hype.



With Kubiak now onboard, I think Cousins has a better season overall as they run the offense more to his strengths.

Who said he was garbage.

I said he was average.

I have higher standards than the younger guys I suppose.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Who said he was garbage.

I said he was average.

I have higher standards than the younger guys I suppose.

Also not average. Average QBs don't finish in the Top 10 in passing yards, completion percentage, INT %, and QB rating.


And that was a "bad" season for him. If Garoppolo plays that "poorly" this upcoming season, the 49ers likely win at least 8 games.

Let's be honest Cousins isn't "average"

He's good. He's not great.

He was top 10 in virtually every QB category last season. One of only 4 players who had 30+ TDs and 10 or less INT.

People are blaming the Vikings poor season on him but that's crazy. Does he have that IT factor the elite QBs have? Maybe not. But that does't make him average.

Originally posted by genus49:

Let's be honest Cousins isn't "average"

He's good. He's not great.

He was top 10 in virtually every QB category last season. One of only 4 players who had 30+ TDs and 10 or less INT.

People are blaming the Vikings poor season on him but that's crazy. Does he have that IT factor the elite QBs have? Maybe not. But that does't make him average.

He's a good QB that gets hated on because he's not Drew Brees. He puts up good numbers and does his job for the most part despite being put into less than ideal circumstances.

Originally posted by genus49:

Let's be honest Cousins isn't "average"

He's good. He's not great.

He was top 10 in virtually every QB category last season. One of only 4 players who had 30+ TDs and 10 or less INT.

People are blaming the Vikings poor season on him but that's crazy. Does he have that IT factor the elite QBs have? Maybe not. But that does't make him average.

Ya hes around that 2nd tier of QBs. I dont think he will ever be elite, but hes good.

Big year for both Jimmy and Cousins.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has thrown for over 4300 yards once in his career.
25-30 TDs with 10-13 INT is around average for a regular starter.

I'd rather have Mahomes.

And, I would rather have Jimmy G.

He ranks Top 10 all time for QB rating, nothing average about that. He's an ideal WCO QB which is why Shanahan was looking for a reunion.


He's also played nearly every season without any run game to speak of. Teams were daring Washington to run much of the time and loading up against the pass.





He's a good quarterback subject to a lot of bogus, out of context talking points. Something we also saw with Andrew Luck until Indy finally gave him an OL and a guy who knows how to run an NFL offense.


I would have zero problem with him as the 49ers QB. Shanahan would definitely be able to utilize him far better than DeFilippo did.

Looking at the all time passer rating list I see:
#2 all time Russell Wilson
Montana at 13 just ahead of 14th ranked Chad Pennington
17th ranked Kaepernick
30th Dan Marino

I put Cousins and Smith on the same tier. Good, maybe just above average for a full time starter.

I will be extremely disappointed in this team and the management if they decide to cut bait with Jimmy after a potential lackluster season and swing a trade for Kirk Cousins like Florio is speculating.

But ya, it definitely sounds like some garbage that is in the back of Shanahans head. So wouldn't be surprised

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I will be extremely disappointed in this team and the management if they decide to cut bait with Jimmy after a potential lackluster season and swing a trade for Kirk Cousins like Florio is speculating.

But ya, it definitely sounds like some garbage that is in the back of Shanahans head. So wouldn't be surprised

Florio is getting way ahead of himself as usual.