49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Did you actually watch the entire segment? His point was as a comparison to Belichik at this stage of their respective careers, and how BB did not win consistently until he got his franchise QB. He cites health (particularly to your #1 QB), and strength of schedule his fist two years. I had never thought about the angle of how hard the Niners schedule has been since Shanny took over. Peoples preconceived notions always skew how they interpret things I guess. This is just one dude opinion at the end of the day.

Not a fan of comparisons....
Reminds me when a NFL coach wins only 2 games his first year or someone drafts a QB in the 7th round. They will not turn out to be Bill Walsh and Tom Brady. No one has duplicated those starts and become anything special. So quit the lame comparisons.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Maybe a team can be built in 8 years of hitting on 1 player in each draft. 2017 was a bad draft.

You don't need a team full of All Pros to win. Getting at least one or two impact players from each draft is huge. Getting a guy like Kittle that is a gamechanger makes up for a lot.



If you go back through the draft histories of Baltimore and New England(and I have), you'll see a crap ton of missed picks but they consistently managed to add gamechangers on both sides of the ball. Ozzie Newsome blew nearly three entire drafts but he had a knack for adding impact players and that is what kept them a constant playoff team. In three drafts the 49ers have managed to add some pretty good and promising pieces.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

I know he's a bit of a blowhard, but Cowherd had some complimentary things to say about Shanahan that I think people might be interested in. He starts about halfway through the vid.

Wow that might be the most intelligent take I've ever heard Cowherd spit out

Originally posted by Joecool:

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

Why do we keep measuring Kyle based on offense function alone? From what we have heard, if Kyle was making decisions, our QBs would be Cousins and CJ. Kyle is lucky Lynch has the New England connection and Kyle is lucky that CJ got hurt last season. And the defensive decisions have been a mess. Let's see if we can turn that around with signing and drafting some top talent.

You keep saying this s**t like it's true....you or anyone really has no idea what Kyle would've or wouldn't have done. A GM doesn't force a QB on a HC.....you best believe the only reason why they traded for Jimmy was because Kyle signed off on it. Also, you better believe that Kyle had infinitely more knowledge on Jimmy G then Lynch.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kirk Cousins is old and mediocre. That would have been a disaster.

He's actually neither of those. Cousins is 30, which by QB standards is pretty much the prime of your career. The "mediocre" season that people are complaining about saw him throw for 4,200 yards, 30 TDs and have a passer rating of 100 while his in over his head OC got canned.


The 49ers haven't had production like that from a QB since Jeff Garcia. If that is mediocrity, sign me up.

30 is old on a team rebuilding and he has consistently been around the 10th-12th best qb each season.

Meh, we dodged a bullet.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And what would have been wrong with that? Cousins threw for 4,000+ yards and 30 TDs with the worst OC in football calling the plays. Do people honestly believe that the guy who hand-picked him wouldn't have been able to get more out of him? I would have been perfectly fine with Cousins. He's not Drew Brees but with the right offense, I think he is absolutely a QB you can win with.

Kirk Cousins is who he is, there is no reason to believe we haven't seen his ceiling.

Originally posted by Joecool:
If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Kap is a gimmick QB and Kyle would have to use a Washington playbook when he instead wanted the more versatile Atl playbook. Hoyer was a better choice because he was familiar with the system.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

It can when your second overall pick is poor and your next first rounder was Foster. Then you have total busts like Beathard and Joe Williams. You can't call it anything but poor when you net only one all pro tight end and a bunch of total scrubs and question marks. That is why we can't win games. Imagine if we had Mahomes and Budda Baker instead of Thomas and Foster. We would be talking playoffs instead of hoping for 8-8.

So imagine if we had a draft that could be arguably in the mix for a top 10 all time draft? Well sure that'd be awesome.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Maybe a team can be built in 8 years of hitting on 1 player in each draft. 2017 was a bad draft.

So if Thomas and Spoon rebound into solid nfl starters this year is it still poor?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

30 is old on a team rebuilding and he has consistently been around the 10th-12th best qb each season.

Meh, we dodged a bullet.

30 for a QB isn't old by any stretch of the imagination, not with so many playing into their late 30s nowadays.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by Joecool:
If you are looking for a placeholder, why not simply use Keep? It didn't make sense. A lot of bad personnel moves directly related to Kyle Shanahan were made in the first two years. And moving up to draft a placeholder was a terrible move.

Kap is a gimmick QB and Kyle would have to use a Washington playbook when he instead wanted the more versatile Atl playbook. Hoyer was a better choice because he was familiar with the system.

Over 12000 yds. passing, 2300 rushing, 60% completion rate, 2.4:1 QB to INT ratio, 90 QBR. Some gimmick.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kirk Cousins is who he is, there is no reason to believe we haven't seen his ceiling.

5,000 yards passing, 25 to 30 TDs, QB rating of 97 or higher. I'll take that every day of the week. No reason to think that Shanahan couldn't get the best out of Cousins and play to his strengths.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Over 12000 yds. passing, 2300 rushing, 60% completion rate, 2.4:1 QB to INT ratio, 90 QBR. Some gimmick.

And yet Harbaugh and Roman were still having to cut back the playbook in 2014 because Kaepernick still wasn't getting it with four years in the same system.



He had one season where he looked like a top QB and then rapidly fell off as teams zeroed in on his limitations as a passer, his struggles to go through his progressions, to recognize pressure, lack of on field awareness and timing....etc.



No reason to think he would have had any success in a precision passing offense like Shanahan's.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Joecool:

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

Why do we keep measuring Kyle based on offense function alone? From what we have heard, if Kyle was making decisions, our QBs would be Cousins and CJ. Kyle is lucky Lynch has the New England connection and Kyle is lucky that CJ got hurt last season. And the defensive decisions have been a mess. Let's see if we can turn that around with signing and drafting some top talent.

You keep saying this s**t like it's true....you or anyone really has no idea what Kyle would've or wouldn't have done. A GM doesn't force a QB on a HC.....you best believe the only reason why they traded for Jimmy was because Kyle signed off on it. Also, you better believe that Kyle had infinitely more knowledge on Jimmy G then Lynch.

Nice post 816, but i have a slightly different take on it. This is just past hx but....

Right after the SB, kyle sought out Bellichek, and asked basically what he could have done differently. He was truly eager to learn from his mistakes, whatever they were. Anyway, he and BB had their chat but BB was impressed by kyle's ability, and felt he was an up and coming HC, who currently was one of the better OCs in the league. Fast forward to Later at league meeting of some kind when JL had a chat with BB and mentioned that if jimmyG ever came available, we would be interested. BB said thanks but no thanks.

Jimmy's contract is up in 6 mos (or whatever time it was) and there was a deadline beyond which, if BB didn't trade JG, then he would go on open market, ie FA, and PATS would get nothing for jimmy in trade. As i recall, there were mere hours remaining when BB finally gave up and realized his star pupil, who had learned well, was a great talent...but wanted to start elsewhere...in that Brady wanted to play into his 70s or something crazy like that. So JG wanted to walk...and with no trade, PATS get zippo for him.

Jimmy had been a good soldier, but Brady kept playing. For JG, money wasn't the deal...starting was. So BB went to the 49ers because.of two reasons. First, he wanted his prize pupil to have a great OC, and kyle was surely that. BB admired kyle. Second, he clearly remembered the chat with JL at league meeting some time before.

And lastly, we would be one team (out of their conference, definitely not in their division), who would play NE only once in the next 2 or 3 yrs. So it was a great fit, BB did right by his QB and got him the best OC out there, and JG couldn't hurt the PATs for several yrs.

That is the story i recall. JL and Kyle had both spoken with BB well in advance of the trade and BB admired both guys, HC and GM. The rest is hx.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Joecool:

A coach isn't measured by picking and choosing small samples of games. Lynch was the one who convinced Kyle to look at JG. Kyle would have stood solid behind CJ until he had an opportunity to get Cousins.

Why do we keep measuring Kyle based on offense function alone? From what we have heard, if Kyle was making decisions, our QBs would be Cousins and CJ. Kyle is lucky Lynch has the New England connection and Kyle is lucky that CJ got hurt last season. And the defensive decisions have been a mess. Let's see if we can turn that around with signing and drafting some top talent.

You keep saying this s**t like it's true....you or anyone really has no idea what Kyle would've or wouldn't have done. A GM doesn't force a QB on a HC.....you best believe the only reason why they traded for Jimmy was because Kyle signed off on it. Also, you better believe that Kyle had infinitely more knowledge on Jimmy G then Lynch.

Nice post 816, but i have a slightly different take on it. This is just past hx but....

Right after the SB, kyle sought out Bellichek, and asked basically what he could have done differently. He was truly eager to learn from his mistakes, whatever they were. Anyway, he and BB had their chat but BB was impressed by kyle's ability, and felt he was an up and coming HC, who currently was one of the better OCs in the league. Fast forward to Later at league meeting of some kind when JL had a chat with BB and mentioned that if jimmyG ever came available, we would be interested. BB said thanks but no thanks.

Jimmy's contract is up in 6 mos (or whatever time it was) and there was a deadline beyond which, if BB didn't trade JG, then he would go on open market, ie FA, and PATS would get nothing for jimmy in trade. As i recall, there were mere hours remaining when BB finally gave up and realized his star pupil, who had learned well, was a great talent...but wanted to start elsewhere...in that Brady wanted to play into his 70s or something crazy like that. So JG wanted to walk...and with no trade, PATS get zippo for him.

Jimmy had been a good soldier, but Brady kept playing. For JG, money wasn't the deal...starting was. So BB went to the 49ers because.of two reasons. First, he wanted his prize pupil to have a great OC, and kyle was surely that. BB admired kyle. Second, he clearly remembered the chat with JL at league meeting some time before.

And lastly, we would be one team (out of their conference, definitely not in their division), who would play NE only once in the next 2 or 3 yrs. So it was a great fit, BB did right by his QB and got him the best OC out there, and JG couldn't hurt the PATs for several yrs.

That is the story i recall. JL and Kyle had both spoken with BB well in advance of the trade and BB admired both guys, HC and GM. The rest is hx.

That all seems plausible and if I was betting and had to get it right I'd venture a guess that it played out this way as well. Relationships matter in this league. I also heard rumblings that Belichick also had a great deal of respect for Kyle's dad because of who he was as a coach and for the fact that Mike came to Bill's defense in the whole spygate situation. So Bill was very fond of the Shanahan family.

The notion though that Lynch discovered Jimmy and Kyle had nothing to do with it is laughable. Kyle scouted Jimmy coming out of the 2014 draft for the Browns.