2017 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

To me, I see Coyle and Jones as locks, I think ST Coordinator will get these guys on the roster, plus Jones looked good in OTAs so far at DB.

I don't see Zane cut, he can play LG, LT, and C, way to versatile. Vance to me, is not a lock, if the team was willing to deal him before June 1, they will cut him post June 1 save like $500K this year and $1.8M next year, plus his 2019-2021 salary cap numbers.

I can certainly understand your rationale there.

I think with the drafting of Foster...coyle has got to go UNLESS Foster starts on the PUP/IR with designated to return tag.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I'll miss a couple of these guys but it seems they have several players ready to take their places. Dawson is getting up there in age, but...he has been one of the highlights of the team...as sad as that is!

Yeah, I would have liked to see Streater, Tiller and Hodges given another shot but not critical. But for a 2 win team, you'd think nobody would want anything to do with free agents. LOL. Guess not...and to your point, wait until we cut down from 90 to 53. Feeding frenzy.

What I find crazy is, maybe I'm wrong, but since like 2007, we've only had 3 Kickers, Joe Nedney, David Akers, and Phil Dawson, not sure what the rate is that teams go through Kickers, Punters, and Long Snappers.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

What I find crazy is, maybe I'm wrong, but since like 2007, we've only had 3 Kickers, Joe Nedney, David Akers, and Phil Dawson, not sure what the rate is that teams go through Kickers, Punters, and Long Snappers.

Yeah, having Akers and Dawson back to back was a good thing. Don't forget, we had Jeff Reed in 2010 for a hot minute.

AB, what is your take or breakdown on Dial vs Chris Jones. Positives, negatives, comparison? Thx in advance.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Teams will be watching our cuts this year as there are so many good young guys who won't make the team. Then there are vets who could fill spots for a team--Brooks might be valued by some teams. My head will be spinning though as there are 30 rookies on the current roster.

It's crazy how many teams love our players.

Unrestricted FAs:
QB Colin Kaepernick - Visit with the Seahawks
QB Blaine Gabbert - Signed with the Cardinals
QB Christian Ponder
QB Thad Lewis
RB Shaun Draughn - Signed with the NY Giants
WR Jeremy Kerley - Signed to a three-year, $10.5M deal
WR Quinton Patton - Signed with the NY Jets
WR Rod Streater - Signed with the Bills
TE Jim Dray
G Andrew Tiller - Signed by the Chiefs
G Andrew Gardner
DE Tony Jerod-Eddie
DT Chris Jones - Signed to a 1 year, $675K deal
DL Glenn Dorsey
LB Nick Bellore
LB Gerald Hodges - Signed with the Bills
LB Michael Wilhoite - Signed to a 3 year deal with Seattle
PK Phil Dawson
T Mitchell Van Dyk
RB DuJuan Harris - Signed to a 1 year deal then released

True, and just as interesting is when they were first announced, well past the first couple weeks of release, how only a few found a home. The rest have just been idled until they started getting picked up, one after another. They certainly didn't have a rush mob there to pick them up. Yet in every case, they were really good , necessary cuts. One man's castle is another man's shack.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

I'll miss a couple of these guys but it seems they have several players ready to take their places. Dawson is getting up there in age, but...he has been one of the highlights of the team...as sad as that is!

Yeah, I would have liked to see Streater, Tiller and Hodges given another shot but not critical. But for a 2 win team, you'd think nobody would want anything to do with free agents. LOL. Guess not...and to your point, wait until we cut down from 90 to 53. Feeding frenzy.

What I find crazy is, maybe I'm wrong, but since like 2007, we've only had 3 Kickers, Joe Nedney, David Akers, and Phil Dawson, not sure what the rate is that teams go through Kickers, Punters, and Long Snappers.

So true...remarkable consistency there and that isn't easy going from Candlestick to the Santa Clara wind tunnels.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

True, and just as interesting is when they were first announced, well past the first couple weeks of release, how only a few found a home. The rest have just been idled until they started getting picked up, one after another. They certainly didn't have a rush mob there to pick them up. Yet in every case, they were really good , necessary cuts. One man's castle is another man's shack.

For sure!

Is there another OTA taking place today? Are these sessions primarily used to get the players used to the new system?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
AB, what is your take or breakdown on Dial vs Chris Jones. Positives, negatives, comparison? Thx in advance.

I view Dial as being able to backup both Mitchell at NT and Buckner at the DT spot, where I view Chris Jones as a backup to Buckner's DT, and Solomon Thomas's Big DE spot.

Obviously salaries are different, Dial has a $1.5M base, with $1.4M fully GTD, and Jones is on a 1yr Vet Minimum Salary Deal, with a $50K signing bonus, they only gain $450K if they cut Dial this year.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by PacTiger:

Dial is horrible. There is no way dial makes the roster and cut Chris Jones. We should have cut dial last year for Garrison Smith.

We should have cut Purcell for Smith, and Dial made it because of the new contract last year. They only save $450K of they cut him this year.

Chris Jones got a minimum deal, $50K bonus.

I'm not a big fan of cutting guys just to cut them. I'm hoping dj jones plays better to force this action. I think it's very probable dj will play as good if not better than dial.

Originally posted by PacTiger:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by PacTiger:

Dial is horrible. There is no way dial makes the roster and cut Chris Jones. We should have cut dial last year for Garrison Smith.

We should have cut Purcell for Smith, and Dial made it because of the new contract last year. They only save $450K of they cut him this year.

Chris Jones got a minimum deal, $50K bonus.

I'm not a big fan of cutting guys just to cut them. I'm hoping dj jones plays better to force this action. I think it's very probable dj will play as good if not better than dial.

Dial needs to get dealt with a team like the Rams who are looking for a 5T 3-4 DE...depth DT when they go into nickel ideally.

Suprised but low key excited we're bringing in Byrd and Hall.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I love ShanaLynch!

--- Update ---

Alright, so I had a FA plan coming in, so let's see if ShanaLynch followed a similar plan and where they are currently at. I noted some target free agents I wanted but the focus was really on the specific positions, scheme-fits and skill sets within these positions.

NC's 2017 Free Agent Targets --- Player Acquired:
QB Brian Hoyer --- Brian Hoyer --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
WILL Malcolm Smith --- Malcolm Smith --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
YWR Jeremy Kerley --- Jeremy Kerley --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
FB Patrick DiMarco/Kyle Juszczyk --- Kyle Juszczyk --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
LDE/5T Chris Jones (depth) --- Chris Jones --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
RB2 DuJuan Harris --- DuJuan Harris --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYER
RB1: LeGarrette Blount/Tim Hightower --- Tim Hightower & Kapri Bibbs --- SIGNED ACTUAL PLAYERS
C J.C. Tretter --- Jeremy Zuttah --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
ZWR Kenny Britt/Terrelle Pryor --- Pierre Garcon --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
XWR Ted Ginn Jr. (depth) --- Marquise Goodwin, DeAndre Carter & Aldrick Robinson --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYERS
QB Ryan Nassib (depth) --- Matt Barkley --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
MIKE/ST Nick Bellore (depth) --- Brock Coyle, Don Jones II & Dekota Watson --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYERS
DE: Jared Odrick/Jacquies Smith --- Elvis Dumervil --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
LG: Austin Pasztor --- Tim Barnes --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
RG Andrew Tiller (depth) --- Brandon Fusco --- SIGNED LIKE-PLAYER
NT/1T Brandon Williams/Dontari Poe --- Earl Mitchell --- SIGNED SECOND TIER PLAYER
RCB A.J. Bouye (starter) --- Will Davis --- SIGNED THIRD TIER PLAYER

Additional acquisitions:
PK Robbie Gould (starter)
SCB K'Waun Williams (starter)
ILB Carl Bradford (depth)
TE Logan Paulsen (depth)
MIKE Jayson DiManche (depth)
T/G Garry Gilliam (starter/depth)

Free agent players we should consider if the price is right:
NT: Johnathan Hankins NYG 25 / Cam Thoma LAR 30
WILL/SAM/MIKE: Zach Brown BUF 27 / Gerald Hodges SF 26 / Rey Malaluga CIN 30
ZWR: Michael Floyd NE 27 / Rod Streater SF 29
ST Returner: ? (Patterson gone)

Overall:
So far, ShanaLynch have put themselves in great position for the draft via free agency. In free agency, on offense, they immediately addressed QB, FB, C, X, Y & ZWR's, TE depth and on defense, they addressed WILL, SCB & MIKE depth/ST and on special teams, a PK. They've made a total of 42 transactions to date. That's dropping 19 and acquiring 23. We can expect 10 draft picks and 10-15 more UDFA's.

What's next:
In free agency, we weren't able to get a dominant NT/1T in Brandon Williams or Dontari Poe but ShanaLynch were able to get a second tier player in Earl Mitchell. We also tried for some top CB's but lost out on A.J. Bouye. We could certainly attack the SAM with a player like Kevin Minter or at least add depth players like with Gerald Hodges & Sean Spence. On offense, it wouldn't hurt to grab a RB2 like DuJuan Harris (signed) but the draft is deep here too or maybe add some RG depth with Andrew Tiller or ZWR depth with our own Rod Streater.

All these free agency moves means with the #2 pick in the draft, we can now address QB, a true ZWR, CB, DL, ER, LB or S and add depth for OL & RB1 & RB2 later. And with a deep TE class, we could go that route too for two-TE sets (esp. if we can't get a true ZWR).

Draft Position Strengths: DL, ER, S, CB, TE, RB
Draft Position Weaknesses: QB, OL, LB

Well done ShanaLynch (and I know you aren't done!)

Holy crap this was fun to update and revisit. Throw in the draft on top of these original targeted free agent acquisitions and they covered every need save for FQB and ZWR and a young ER with first round talent. Hell, they actually attacked more than I had hoped for (i.e. got 3 more starters and more depth).

Job well done ShanaLynch!

Interesting, Command, to see the "projected" vs actual. Based on what you guesstimated, your percentage and acumen on both were superb. You had a great overall view before anything actually came down. The one thing of interest was the projected surfeit of available ERs, which was true, but the standouts....not so many. Still and all, looking at what we did, ERs may turn out a lot better than we expected, since we really couldn't address that until taking care of the big needs, DL(best in draft), LB(again, consensus best in draft), CB (which was of utmost need), raw but potential FR QB (and it turned out the ONLY one kyle would have drafted...so john took him about 5 picks early, back into late rd 3....now there's a GM who goes to bat for his HC), then we filled in at RB, WR, TE, ER....i missed two...and also John got us 2 early picks in rd 2 and 3 next yr.

The key element to making this all work was the pre-planning of kyle and john, whereby they established there was no #1 FR QB, and we couldn't nail down a #1 WR or we would have had to pass on Solomon, Foster, and who knows what else. Leaving the FR Qb and #1 WR until next yr was a brilliant strategic move, which i was a bit uncertain of initially, but once draft started, it was obviously the key move to have been made. That alone sold me on our new GM/HC guys. Hats off to you NC for your prescience and pre draft call. Oh, forgot to mention that besides shedding over 50% dead wood of our lineup, Zut for Center, was a key FA hire. That truly solidified an OL that was shaky there. Now if kilgore is injured we got two backups AT LEAST. Also the drafting of DJ Jones is going to end up being well worth it, as was our "Crossed off the list RB"....who kyle made the case for and once John spoke with him, put him back on the list...we took him in Rd 5....and expect a starter here next yr, and a 1-2 punch at RB this yr. The FAing of The Juice Check (OW) was another brilliant move, because this one in particular had 40+ receptions last yr, being key in Kyle's WCO.

Other noteworthy moves were first parting ways with virtually all our WRs except kerley, and replacing with 4 guys who are all way more talented than the dead wood, or injured wood. Depth at LB, PR, STs were other places of note that we improved. Had we taken Trubisk( or pick your other poor choice) and then traded the farm to get a #1 WR if that even was possible, turned out to be a case of reading the tea leaves incredibly well , and instead of FR QB(of which there were none) and a #1 WR, we basically took a huge chunk out of the other 20 odd holes we had. Anyone looking at this FA and draft that didn't give it a 5 star rating, really wasn't paying attn. Amazing on how many of these you connected NC...well done, my man, really well done.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Interesting, Command, to see the "projected" vs actual. Based on what you guesstimated, your percentage and acumen on both were superb. You had a great overall view before anything actually came down. The one thing of interest was the projected surfeit of available ERs, which was true, but the standouts....not so many. Still and all, looking at what we did, ERs may turn out a lot better than we expected, since we really couldn't address that until taking care of the big needs, DL(best in draft), LB(again, consensus best in draft), CB (which was of utmost need), raw but potential FR QB (and it turned out the ONLY one kyle would have drafted...so john took him about 5 picks early, back into late rd 3....now there's a GM who goes to bat for his HC), then we filled in at RB, WR, TE, ER....i missed two...and also John got us 2 early picks in rd 2 and 3 next yr.

The key element to making this all work was the pre-planning of kyle and john, whereby they established there was no #1 FR QB, and we couldn't nail down a #1 WR or we would have had to pass on Solomon, Foster, and who knows what else. Leaving the FR Qb and #1 WR until next yr was a brilliant strategic move, which i was a bit uncertain of initially, but once draft started, it was obviously the key move to have been made. That alone sold me on our new GM/HC guys. Hats off to you NC for your prescience and pre draft call. Oh, forgot to mention that besides shedding over 50% dead wood of our lineup, Zut for Center, was a key FA hire. That truly solidified an OL that was shaky there. Now if kilgore is injured we got two backups AT LEAST. Also the drafting of DJ Jones is going to end up being well worth it, as was our "Crossed off the list RB"....who kyle made the case for and once John spoke with him, put him back on the list...we took him in Rd 5....and expect a starter here next yr, and a 1-2 punch at RB this yr. The FAing of The Juice Check (OW) was another brilliant move, because this one in particular had 40+ receptions last yr, being key in Kyle's WCO.

Other noteworthy moves were first parting ways with virtually all our WRs except kerley, and replacing with 4 guys who are all way more talented than the dead wood, or injured wood. Depth at LB, PR, STs were other places of note that we improved. Had we taken Trubisk( or pick your other poor choice) and then traded the farm to get a #1 WR if that even was possible, turned out to be a case of reading the tea leaves incredibly well , and instead of FR QB(of which there were none) and a #1 WR, we basically took a huge chunk out of the other 20 odd holes we had. Anyone looking at this FA and draft that didn't give it a 5 star rating, really wasn't paying attn. Amazing on how many of these you connected NC...well done, my man, really well done.

+Uno.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Interesting, Command, to see the "projected" vs actual. Based on what you guesstimated, your percentage and acumen on both were superb. You had a great overall view before anything actually came down. The one thing of interest was the projected surfeit of available ERs, which was true, but the standouts....not so many. Still and all, looking at what we did, ERs may turn out a lot better than we expected, since we really couldn't address that until taking care of the big needs, DL(best in draft), LB(again, consensus best in draft), CB (which was of utmost need), raw but potential FR QB (and it turned out the ONLY one kyle would have drafted...so john took him about 5 picks early, back into late rd 3....now there's a GM who goes to bat for his HC), then we filled in at RB, WR, TE, ER....i missed two...and also John got us 2 early picks in rd 2 and 3 next yr.

The key element to making this all work was the pre-planning of kyle and john, whereby they established there was no #1 FR QB, and we couldn't nail down a #1 WR or we would have had to pass on Solomon, Foster, and who knows what else. Leaving the FR Qb and #1 WR until next yr was a brilliant strategic move, which i was a bit uncertain of initially, but once draft started, it was obviously the key move to have been made. That alone sold me on our new GM/HC guys. Hats off to you NC for your prescience and pre draft call. Oh, forgot to mention that besides shedding over 50% dead wood of our lineup, Zut for Center, was a key FA hire. That truly solidified an OL that was shaky there. Now if kilgore is injured we got two backups AT LEAST. Also the drafting of DJ Jones is going to end up being well worth it, as was our "Crossed off the list RB"....who kyle made the case for and once John spoke with him, put him back on the list...we took him in Rd 5....and expect a starter here next yr, and a 1-2 punch at RB this yr. The FAing of The Juice Check (OW) was another brilliant move, because this one in particular had 40+ receptions last yr, being key in Kyle's WCO.

Other noteworthy moves were first parting ways with virtually all our WRs except kerley, and replacing with 4 guys who are all way more talented than the dead wood, or injured wood. Depth at LB, PR, STs were other places of note that we improved. Had we taken Trubisk( or pick your other poor choice) and then traded the farm to get a #1 WR if that even was possible, turned out to be a case of reading the tea leaves incredibly well , and instead of FR QB(of which there were none) and a #1 WR, we basically took a huge chunk out of the other 20 odd holes we had. Anyone looking at this FA and draft that didn't give it a 5 star rating, really wasn't paying attn. Amazing on how many of these you connected NC...well done, my man, really well done.

Is that crazy!? As fans, we all have 'a plan' in our heads of what the FO should do in the off season but rarely does it ever materialize. This was almost Madden-like.

This is the fun part for me now; taking FA and then [attacking the draft]:

What's next:
In free agency, we weren't able to get a dominant NT/1T in Brandon Williams or Dontari Poe but ShanaLynch were able to get a second tier player in Earl Mitchell [DRAFTED D.J. JONES]. We also tried for some top CB's but lost out on A.J. Bouye [DRAFTED AHKELLO WITHERSPOON]. We could certainly attack the SAM with a player like Kevin Minter or at least add depth players like with Gerald Hodges & Sean Spence [DRAFTED REUBEN FOSTER]. On offense, it wouldn't hurt to grab a RB2 like DuJuan Harris [DRAFTED JOE WILLIAMS] but the draft is deep here too or maybe add some RG depth with Andrew Tiller or ZWR depth with our own Rod Streater.

All these free agency moves means with the #2 pick in the draft, we can now address QB [DRAFTED C.J. BEATHARD], a true ZWR [NONE / DRAFTED YWR TRENT TAYLOR], CB [DRAFTED AHKELLO WITHERSPOON], DL [DRAFTED SOLOMON THOMAS], ER [DRAFTED PITA TAUMOEPENU], LB [DRAFTED REUBEN FOSTER] or S [DRAFTED ADRIAN COLBERT / UDFA LORENZO JEROME] and add depth for OL [NONE] & RB1 & RB2 [DRAFTED JOE WILLIAMS / TRADED FOR KAPRI BIBBS / UDFA MATT BREIDA] later. And with a deep TE [DRAFTED GEORGE KITTLE] class, we could go that route too for two-TE sets (esp. if we can't get a true ZWR).

Draft Position Strengths: DL, ER, S, CB, TE, RB
Draft Position Weaknesses: QB, OL, LB

At the end of the day, we were never going to fill every hole but you have to admit, the 'new' FO did a hell of a job executing their plan. Next off season, we can focus on obtaining (Kirk Cousins) in free agency or drafting a potential FQB (we have the ammunition to move up if we want now), a true ZWR in free agency or the draft and/or attack the ER in free agency or the draft.