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Thanks AB!!!
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May 5, 2017 at 7:22 PM
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You got it buddy. All credit goes to OverTheCap.com, best place for NFL Salary Cap Numbers, they've nailed the rookie scale every year since it became a thing.
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May 5, 2017 at 7:24 PM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks AB!!!
You got it buddy. All credit goes to OverTheCap.com, best place for NFL Salary Cap Numbers, they've nailed the rookie scale every year since it became a thing.
It's certainly a fantastic resource!
May 5, 2017 at 7:38 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks AB!!!
You got it buddy. All credit goes to OverTheCap.com, best place for NFL Salary Cap Numbers, they've nailed the rookie scale every year since it became a thing.
It's certainly a fantastic resource!
Agreed.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/98000-49ers-salary-outlook-66137299-under-draft-class-factored/#post1
updated the thread.
May 5, 2017 at 9:58 PM
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Great job as always guys!!
May 5, 2017 at 11:06 PM
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Here's how I view the roster right now, locks, battling, & longshots
And for the first time in a while, I'm having a hard time figuring who'd be the 7 inactives, a QB is obvious, but after that idk.
Locks(Unless something drastically changes):
1. QB 2 Brian Hoyer (Obvious starter, base is fully GTD)
2. QB 7 Matt Barkley (2nd QB for now, unless something changes)
3. QB 3 C.J. Beathard (KS's hand picked QB, he makes it, no way he's cut)
4. RB 28 Carlos Hyde (He gets a chance in KS's offense, he's never been behind a true FB)
5. RB 22 Tim Hightower (Got $300K GTD, plus he's a solid back)
6. RB 33 Joe Williams (KS personally wanted him, so he sticks)
7. FB 44 Kyle Juszczyk (Obvious as he has a fully GTD base)
8. WR 15 Pierre Garcon (Again Fully GTD base, and he knows KS's system)
9. WR 11 Marquise Goodwin (Again fully GTD base, speedster too)
10. WR 17 Jeremy Kerley ($1.1M GTD of his base, best WR from 2016)
11. WR 19 Aldrick Robinson (Knows KS's system, perfect fit for the offense)
12. WR 81 Trent Taylor (Could be our Punt Returner, loved this pick)
13. TE 82 Logan Paulsen (Knows KS's system)
14. TE 85 George Kittle (Perfect fit, a true OW, can be a FB, TE, and H-Back IMO)
15. C 58 Jeremy Zuttah (Perfect fit for the system)
16. C 67 Daniel Kilgore (He stays for versatility unless he looks horrible, then Fusco or Barnes get the nod)
17. LG 68 Zane Beadles (Has $500K GTD, I don't see anyone better on the roster than Beadles)
18. RG 65 Joshua Garnett (Has a fully GTD salary, only his 4th yr is non GTD)
19. LT 74 Joe Staley (Obvious, he's our starting LT)
20. RT 77 Trent Brown (Obvious as well, he is starter at RT, but battles with Gilliam)
21. RT 76 Garry Gilliam (Great depth, swing tackle, battle with Brown)
22. DE 96 Solomon Thomas (Do I need to say anything seriously?)
23. DE 98 Ronald Blair (Underrated player, good pass rusher at App State, he makes it)
24. LEO 91 Arik Armstead (Former 1st rd pick with GTD deal)
25. LEO 59 Aaron Lynch (Makes it as long as he is in shape)
26. LEO 95 Tank Carradine (Has $1M of his base fully GTD)
27. DT 99 DeForest Buckner (Former 1st rd pick with GTD deal)
28. DT 92 Quinton Dial (Has $1.4M GTD in his base)
29. NT 90 Earl Mitchell (Lynch personally said he's the guy they wanted all along, and got him before FA officially opened thanks to him being cut)
30. NT 66 D.J. Jones (Lock for now, because there's no one else behind him, plus he's a big bodied NT)
31. SAM 51 Malcolm Smith ($11.5M fully GTD)
32. SAM 45 Dekoda Watson (got a $1M signing bonus, plus ket ST'er IMO)
33. WILL 56 Reuben Foster (Do I need to say anything?)
34. WILL 54 Ray-Ray Armstrong (Has $875K GTD in his base, plus good LB, won other ILB spot in camp as a guy no one thought would make the 53 man roster)
35. WILL 57 Eli Harold (He gets 1 more year to prove himself)
36. MIKE 53 NaVorro Bowman (Need I say anything but the best MLB and pure Linebacker in the NFL)
37. MIKE 50 Brock Coyle (Got $400K signing bonus, plus a Key ST'er IMO)
38. CB 26 Rashard Robinson (Our #1 CB right now, has a bright future)
39. CB 41 Ahkello Witherspoon (Our #2 CB right now, might battle with Johnson, but has major potential at 6'3)
40. CB 36 Dontae Johnson (Our main reserve CB behind Robinson and Witherspoon, possible starter)
41. CB 24 K'Wuan Williams (Should be the Slot CB)
42. CB 23 Will Redmond (3rd rd pick last year, deserves a chance to play, plus he could have been a 1st rd pick before his injury)
43. FS 25 Jimmie Ward (Team just picked up his 5th-year option, he isn't going anywhere)
44. FS 20 Don Jones (Has $500K GTD in his base, $750K GTD overall in 2yr deal, key ST'er IMO)
45. SS 35 Eric Reid (Fully GTD $5.676M 5th-year option, makes team and starts IMO)
46. SS 29 Jaquiski Tartt (Will play a hybrid S/LB spot)
47. PK 9 Robbie Gould ($1M gtd in his 2yr deal)
48. P 5 Bradley Pinion (No other P in camp)
49. LS 86 Kyle Nelson (Obvious, no other LS)
Battling for Spots:
1. RB 32 DuJuan Harris (Solid back, needs to work on fumbling at goal line)
2. RB 38 Kapri Bibbs (Not sure about him, KS must like him, so he may have the edge)
3. RB 49 Matt Breida (Got $50K in GTD money)
4. WR 6 Kendrick Bourne (Nice sized WR, speedy too)
5. WR 83 KD Cannon (Got a $45K in GTD money)
6. WR 10 Bruce Ellington (Last chance IMO, if he can't get to speed he is out, possibly at first cuts in August)
7. WR 13 Aaron Burbridge (I love AB, but he may be an odd man out)
8. WR 1 Victor Bolden (Smaller WR, but has speed, and could surprise)
9. TE 89 Vance McDonald (Has a fully GTD base salary bit is on trade block)
10. TE 88 Garrett Celek (Has $1M of his salary fully GTD but IMO is on the bubble)
11. TE 84 Blake Bell (Hasn't done much so far in 2 years, would rather keep a true TE, not a converted QB to TE)
12. TE 46 Cole Hikutini (Got a $100K GTD in base salary, plus $10K bonus, he could be a NFI candidate, stash & store for 2018)
13. C 61 Tim Barnes (Hard to tell without knowing his 1yr deal details)
14. LG 63 Brandon Fusco (Hard to tell without knowing his 1yr deal details)
15. LT 71 John Theus (Former 5th rd pick, should get a chance to show he should be here or not)
16. OL 62 Erik Magnuson (Former Michigan RT, could surprise and beat out a vet like Barnes or Fusco for a backup OL spot, can play C and OG as well)
17. OL 75 Darrell Williams Jr. (Will battle with Magnuson, but more a long shot IMO)
18. DT 93 Chris Jones (Got $50K GTD, but the roster is stacked on D-Line, so he has an uphill battle)
19. LEO 49 Pita Taumoepenu (I like him, hoping he impresses, only a 6th rd pick, so he could slip through waivers to the PSquad)
20. SAM 55 Ahmad Brooks (Ideally he should be a starter, but save $5.3M if cut, plus aging veteran)
21. CB 27 Keith Reaser (Never been impressed by Reaser, battling for a DB spot)
22. FS 47 Adrian Colbert (Versatile, can pay FS and CB)
23. FS 48 Lorenzo Jerome (Loved this kid at the Senior Bowl, deserved to be drafted, faster than his 4.7 40 time, I like him to make the roster)
Longshots:
1. QB 1 Nick Mullens (4th QB)
2. RB 31 Raheem Mostert (Too many backs ahead of him)
3. FB 47 Tyler McCloskey (Camp FB)
4. WR 4 DeAndre Carter (Camp WR)
5. WR 14 Rashad Ross (Camp WR)
6. WR 18 DeAndre Smelter (Never impressed me, another failed Baalke ACL pick)
7. C 69 Bret Treadway (Camp Depth)
8. OG 64 Evan Goodman (Camp Depth)
9. OG 60 John Flynn (Camp Depth)
10. OT 78 Norman Price (Camp Depth)
11. LEO 64 Noble Nwachukwu (Could surprise, likely PSquad destined)
12. SAM 60 Jimmie Gilbert ($62K GTD In UDFA deal, but likely PSquad destined)
13. WILL 62 Donavin Newsom (Camp depth)
14. CB 31 Zach Franklin (Camp body)
15. CB 30 Prince Charles Iworah (Camp body)
16. FS 46 Malik Golden (Got $15K GTD, could surprise)
17. SS 40 Vinnie Sunseri (Camp body)
18. PK 6 Nick Rose (Camp Leg)
And for the first time in a while, I'm having a hard time figuring who'd be the 7 inactives, a QB is obvious, but after that idk.
Locks(Unless something drastically changes):
1. QB 2 Brian Hoyer (Obvious starter, base is fully GTD)
2. QB 7 Matt Barkley (2nd QB for now, unless something changes)
3. QB 3 C.J. Beathard (KS's hand picked QB, he makes it, no way he's cut)
4. RB 28 Carlos Hyde (He gets a chance in KS's offense, he's never been behind a true FB)
5. RB 22 Tim Hightower (Got $300K GTD, plus he's a solid back)
6. RB 33 Joe Williams (KS personally wanted him, so he sticks)
7. FB 44 Kyle Juszczyk (Obvious as he has a fully GTD base)
8. WR 15 Pierre Garcon (Again Fully GTD base, and he knows KS's system)
9. WR 11 Marquise Goodwin (Again fully GTD base, speedster too)
10. WR 17 Jeremy Kerley ($1.1M GTD of his base, best WR from 2016)
11. WR 19 Aldrick Robinson (Knows KS's system, perfect fit for the offense)
12. WR 81 Trent Taylor (Could be our Punt Returner, loved this pick)
13. TE 82 Logan Paulsen (Knows KS's system)
14. TE 85 George Kittle (Perfect fit, a true OW, can be a FB, TE, and H-Back IMO)
15. C 58 Jeremy Zuttah (Perfect fit for the system)
16. C 67 Daniel Kilgore (He stays for versatility unless he looks horrible, then Fusco or Barnes get the nod)
17. LG 68 Zane Beadles (Has $500K GTD, I don't see anyone better on the roster than Beadles)
18. RG 65 Joshua Garnett (Has a fully GTD salary, only his 4th yr is non GTD)
19. LT 74 Joe Staley (Obvious, he's our starting LT)
20. RT 77 Trent Brown (Obvious as well, he is starter at RT, but battles with Gilliam)
21. RT 76 Garry Gilliam (Great depth, swing tackle, battle with Brown)
22. DE 96 Solomon Thomas (Do I need to say anything seriously?)
23. DE 98 Ronald Blair (Underrated player, good pass rusher at App State, he makes it)
24. LEO 91 Arik Armstead (Former 1st rd pick with GTD deal)
25. LEO 59 Aaron Lynch (Makes it as long as he is in shape)
26. LEO 95 Tank Carradine (Has $1M of his base fully GTD)
27. DT 99 DeForest Buckner (Former 1st rd pick with GTD deal)
28. DT 92 Quinton Dial (Has $1.4M GTD in his base)
29. NT 90 Earl Mitchell (Lynch personally said he's the guy they wanted all along, and got him before FA officially opened thanks to him being cut)
30. NT 66 D.J. Jones (Lock for now, because there's no one else behind him, plus he's a big bodied NT)
31. SAM 51 Malcolm Smith ($11.5M fully GTD)
32. SAM 45 Dekoda Watson (got a $1M signing bonus, plus ket ST'er IMO)
33. WILL 56 Reuben Foster (Do I need to say anything?)
34. WILL 54 Ray-Ray Armstrong (Has $875K GTD in his base, plus good LB, won other ILB spot in camp as a guy no one thought would make the 53 man roster)
35. WILL 57 Eli Harold (He gets 1 more year to prove himself)
36. MIKE 53 NaVorro Bowman (Need I say anything but the best MLB and pure Linebacker in the NFL)
37. MIKE 50 Brock Coyle (Got $400K signing bonus, plus a Key ST'er IMO)
38. CB 26 Rashard Robinson (Our #1 CB right now, has a bright future)
39. CB 41 Ahkello Witherspoon (Our #2 CB right now, might battle with Johnson, but has major potential at 6'3)
40. CB 36 Dontae Johnson (Our main reserve CB behind Robinson and Witherspoon, possible starter)
41. CB 24 K'Wuan Williams (Should be the Slot CB)
42. CB 23 Will Redmond (3rd rd pick last year, deserves a chance to play, plus he could have been a 1st rd pick before his injury)
43. FS 25 Jimmie Ward (Team just picked up his 5th-year option, he isn't going anywhere)
44. FS 20 Don Jones (Has $500K GTD in his base, $750K GTD overall in 2yr deal, key ST'er IMO)
45. SS 35 Eric Reid (Fully GTD $5.676M 5th-year option, makes team and starts IMO)
46. SS 29 Jaquiski Tartt (Will play a hybrid S/LB spot)
47. PK 9 Robbie Gould ($1M gtd in his 2yr deal)
48. P 5 Bradley Pinion (No other P in camp)
49. LS 86 Kyle Nelson (Obvious, no other LS)
Battling for Spots:
1. RB 32 DuJuan Harris (Solid back, needs to work on fumbling at goal line)
2. RB 38 Kapri Bibbs (Not sure about him, KS must like him, so he may have the edge)
3. RB 49 Matt Breida (Got $50K in GTD money)
4. WR 6 Kendrick Bourne (Nice sized WR, speedy too)
5. WR 83 KD Cannon (Got a $45K in GTD money)
6. WR 10 Bruce Ellington (Last chance IMO, if he can't get to speed he is out, possibly at first cuts in August)
7. WR 13 Aaron Burbridge (I love AB, but he may be an odd man out)
8. WR 1 Victor Bolden (Smaller WR, but has speed, and could surprise)
9. TE 89 Vance McDonald (Has a fully GTD base salary bit is on trade block)
10. TE 88 Garrett Celek (Has $1M of his salary fully GTD but IMO is on the bubble)
11. TE 84 Blake Bell (Hasn't done much so far in 2 years, would rather keep a true TE, not a converted QB to TE)
12. TE 46 Cole Hikutini (Got a $100K GTD in base salary, plus $10K bonus, he could be a NFI candidate, stash & store for 2018)
13. C 61 Tim Barnes (Hard to tell without knowing his 1yr deal details)
14. LG 63 Brandon Fusco (Hard to tell without knowing his 1yr deal details)
15. LT 71 John Theus (Former 5th rd pick, should get a chance to show he should be here or not)
16. OL 62 Erik Magnuson (Former Michigan RT, could surprise and beat out a vet like Barnes or Fusco for a backup OL spot, can play C and OG as well)
17. OL 75 Darrell Williams Jr. (Will battle with Magnuson, but more a long shot IMO)
18. DT 93 Chris Jones (Got $50K GTD, but the roster is stacked on D-Line, so he has an uphill battle)
19. LEO 49 Pita Taumoepenu (I like him, hoping he impresses, only a 6th rd pick, so he could slip through waivers to the PSquad)
20. SAM 55 Ahmad Brooks (Ideally he should be a starter, but save $5.3M if cut, plus aging veteran)
21. CB 27 Keith Reaser (Never been impressed by Reaser, battling for a DB spot)
22. FS 47 Adrian Colbert (Versatile, can pay FS and CB)
23. FS 48 Lorenzo Jerome (Loved this kid at the Senior Bowl, deserved to be drafted, faster than his 4.7 40 time, I like him to make the roster)
Longshots:
1. QB 1 Nick Mullens (4th QB)
2. RB 31 Raheem Mostert (Too many backs ahead of him)
3. FB 47 Tyler McCloskey (Camp FB)
4. WR 4 DeAndre Carter (Camp WR)
5. WR 14 Rashad Ross (Camp WR)
6. WR 18 DeAndre Smelter (Never impressed me, another failed Baalke ACL pick)
7. C 69 Bret Treadway (Camp Depth)
8. OG 64 Evan Goodman (Camp Depth)
9. OG 60 John Flynn (Camp Depth)
10. OT 78 Norman Price (Camp Depth)
11. LEO 64 Noble Nwachukwu (Could surprise, likely PSquad destined)
12. SAM 60 Jimmie Gilbert ($62K GTD In UDFA deal, but likely PSquad destined)
13. WILL 62 Donavin Newsom (Camp depth)
14. CB 31 Zach Franklin (Camp body)
15. CB 30 Prince Charles Iworah (Camp body)
16. FS 46 Malik Golden (Got $15K GTD, could surprise)
17. SS 40 Vinnie Sunseri (Camp body)
18. PK 6 Nick Rose (Camp Leg)
May 5, 2017 at 11:13 PM
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Excellent, thanks AB. 
May 6, 2017 at 6:41 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Solomon Thomas - $18,615,912 ($5,118,978)
Reuben Foster - $4,711,320 ($1,642,830)
Ahkello Witherspoon - $973,572 ($708,393)
C.J. Beathard - $706,284 ($641,571)
Joe Williams - $629,384 ($622,346)
George Kittle - $298,296 ($539,574)
Trent Taylor - $201,944 ($515,486)
D.J. Jones - $147,868 ($501,967)
Pita Taumoepenu - $145,456 ($501,364)
Adrian Colbert - $84,800 ($486,200)
SB is next to the player (2017 Cap Number is in Parenthesis)
So per year basically, $11,278,709 for the rookie pool.
May 6, 2017 at 6:44 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here's how I view the roster right now, locks, battling, & longshots...
Ha, that about sums it up...about 49 of the 53 we all agree on and then 4 we all differ on. 92% of the roster is set!
May 6, 2017 at 6:45 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Agreed.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/98000-49ers-salary-outlook-66137299-under-draft-class-factored/#post1
updated the thread.
This thread is pure gold!
May 7, 2017 at 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Solomon Thomas - $18,615,912 ($5,118,978)
Reuben Foster - $4,711,320 ($1,642,830)
Ahkello Witherspoon - $973,572 ($708,393)
C.J. Beathard - $706,284 ($641,571)
Joe Williams - $629,384 ($622,346)
George Kittle - $298,296 ($539,574)
Trent Taylor - $201,944 ($515,486)
D.J. Jones - $147,868 ($501,967)
Pita Taumoepenu - $145,456 ($501,364)
Adrian Colbert - $84,800 ($486,200)
SB is next to the player (2017 Cap Number is in Parenthesis)
So per year basically, $11,278,709 for the rookie pool.
Yep, that should be our rookie pool for 2017. I just added them up in my workbook.
May 7, 2017 at 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here's how I view the roster right now, locks, battling, & longshots...
Ha, that about sums it up...about 49 of the 53 we all agree on and then 4 we all differ on. 92% of the roster is set!
I'm going to have to rethink the whole Aaron Lynch being a lock, if he comes in shape, yes, if he's out of shape, then he is on bubble/battling, or flat out cut his arse.
Also, damn Idk why we cut KD Cannon, wonder if he wasn't in the shape they thought he'd be in, but then why sign him in the first place? I guess he didn't look good enough to warrant a spot on the 90 man roster. And I had Cannon early on as a 1st rd pick.
May 8, 2017 at 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Solomon Thomas - $18,615,912 ($5,118,978)
Reuben Foster - $4,711,320 ($1,642,830)
Ahkello Witherspoon - $973,572 ($708,393)
C.J. Beathard - $706,284 ($641,571)
Joe Williams - $629,384 ($622,346)
George Kittle - $298,296 ($539,574)
Trent Taylor - $201,944 ($515,486)
D.J. Jones - $147,868 ($501,967)
Pita Taumoepenu - $145,456 ($501,364)
Adrian Colbert - $84,800 ($486,200)
SB is next to the player (2017 Cap Number is in Parenthesis)
So per year basically, $11,278,709 for the rookie pool.
Yep, that should be our rookie pool for 2017. I just added them up in my workbook.
May 8, 2017 at 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here's how I view the roster right now, locks, battling, & longshots...
Ha, that about sums it up...about 49 of the 53 we all agree on and then 4 we all differ on. 92% of the roster is set!
I'm going to have to rethink the whole Aaron Lynch being a lock, if he comes in shape, yes, if he's out of shape, then he is on bubble/battling, or flat out cut his arse.
Also, damn Idk why we cut KD Cannon, wonder if he wasn't in the shape they thought he'd be in, but then why sign him in the first place? I guess he didn't look good enough to warrant a spot on the 90 man roster. And I had Cannon early on as a 1st rd pick.
Heart, commitment, determination, age, contracts, special teams, etc. all need to be huge factors now for laying this foundation. Lazy players like Marcus Martin have been cut...Lynch, Reid, Vance, Beadles, Brooks, Ellington, etc. will be put under a giant microscope. And that's a great thing!
May 8, 2017 at 10:40 AM
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Is this dude still on this team right now?
RB Raheem Mostertm?
RB Raheem Mostertm?
May 8, 2017 at 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Here's how I view the roster right now, locks, battling, & longshots...
Ha, that about sums it up...about 49 of the 53 we all agree on and then 4 we all differ on. 92% of the roster is set!
I'm going to have to rethink the whole Aaron Lynch being a lock, if he comes in shape, yes, if he's out of shape, then he is on bubble/battling, or flat out cut his arse.
Also, damn Idk why we cut KD Cannon, wonder if he wasn't in the shape they thought he'd be in, but then why sign him in the first place? I guess he didn't look good enough to warrant a spot on the 90 man roster. And I had Cannon early on as a 1st rd pick.
Heart, commitment, determination, age, contracts, special teams, etc. all need to be huge factors now for laying this foundation. Lazy players like Marcus Martin have been cut...Lynch, Reid, Vance, Beadles, Brooks, Ellington, etc. will be put under a giant microscope. And that's a great thing!
Maybe the conversation went like this:
Kyle: "Hey John, I need a sacrificial lamb so that I can solidify my ground as a coach."
Lynch: "Someone will mess up. Just wait for that and cut him. On second thought, everyone is in good shape and the guys who aren't are too expensive to cut. Would you mind if I signed an UDFA for $45K for you to cut?"
Kyle: "I like the way you think."