2017 Team Information (Needs)

with Gould's cap number included for 2017, I have the 49ers at $89,745,183 under the cap, without knowing exact details for the following.

QB Brian Hoyer - 2yr $12M deal, $6M in NLTBEsl ($6M a yr)
QB Matt Barkley - 2yr Unknown amount
FB Kyle Juszcyzk - 4yr/$21M, $10.5M gtd, $7.5M in year 1 ($5.25M a yr)
WR Marquise Goodwin - 2yr/$8M ($4M a yr)
WR Aldrick Robinson - 2yr up to $6M ($3M a yr)
TE Logan Paulsen - 1yr Unknown
MLB Brock Coyle - 1yr deal, was on a 3yr UDFA contract, so his base salary should be $690K, i think he was a scheduled RFA but SEA didn't tender him
FS Don Jones - 2yr Unknown Amount

Current Roster(67 Players Signed/Tendered)

In parenthesis is the year they are signed through.

OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)

RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)

FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)

XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Chris Harper(2017)

YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)

ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Eric Rogers(2017)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)

TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/Blake Bell(2018)/Je'Ron Hamm(2017)

C: Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Alex Balducci(2018)

LG: Zane Beadles(2018)

RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)

LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)

RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

4T/DE: Arik Armstead(2018)/Ronald Blair(2019)/Zach Moore(2018)

1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/Mike Purcell(2017)

3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)

6T/LEO: Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)/Eli Harold(2018)/Ahmad Brooks(2017)

WLB: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Carl Bradford(2017)

MLB: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)/Shayne Skov(2017)

SLB: Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Wynton McManis(2018)

LCB: Tramaine Brock(2017)/Keith Reaser(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)

SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)

RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/Dontae Johnson(2017)/JaCorey Shepherd(2017)

FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Marcus Ball(2017)

SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)

P: Bradley Pinion(2018)/Brock Miller(2019)

LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

Jeez, AB. Thanks, man. I was just about to ask if you had a rough bottom line re: where we are capwise. Your skill and work are just fantastic, and we are truly fortunate to have you on top of anything cap, salary, or anything else in between .Thanks for your work and dedication, AB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by GEEK:

According to Wikipedia's 49ers roster page, we signed Dennard Robinson and Jeremiah Poutasi.

any confirmation? a tweet? anything? anyone can add something to wikipedia, can't they?

Yes, they can. I haven't seen/heard anything. Anyone?

They would be quality signings b/c we need an RB2 and depth/push-starter at G. But if true, this means we may be staying with power instead of transitioning to the stretch-run game (at least for now). Poutasi is 335 pound mauler.

Kyle comes here with the rep of the best OC in the league. We also know he is one sharp cookie. If we have a very good OL, and that is the strong point of our team, does anyone really think kyle is initially going to take the one best part of a truly lousy team and disassemble it? Man , I think he is a way better coach than that. Also, with a stud Center, this OL becomes top flite. Kyle knows that and is secure enough in his own skin, to not have to do an entire rebuild of the OL this yr.

Thoughts on the Jags cutting Roy Miller, could we use him? True NT... Decent film, I don't know enough about him. Opinions?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
with Gould's cap number included for 2017, I have the 49ers at $89,745,183 under the cap, without knowing exact details for the following.

QB Brian Hoyer - 2yr $12M deal, $6M in NLTBEsl ($6M a yr)
QB Matt Barkley - 2yr Unknown amount
FB Kyle Juszcyzk - 4yr/$21M, $10.5M gtd, $7.5M in year 1 ($5.25M a yr)
WR Marquise Goodwin - 2yr/$8M ($4M a yr)
WR Aldrick Robinson - 2yr up to $6M ($3M a yr)
TE Logan Paulsen - 1yr Unknown
MLB Brock Coyle - 1yr deal, was on a 3yr UDFA contract, so his base salary should be $690K, i think he was a scheduled RFA but SEA didn't tender him
FS Don Jones - 2yr Unknown Amount

Current Roster(67 Players Signed/Tendered)

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
OFFENSE:

QB: Brian Hoyer(2018)/Matt Barkley(2018)

RB: Carlos Hyde(2017)/Mike Davis(2018)/Raheem Mostert(2017)

FB: Kyle Juszczyk(2020)

XWR: Pierre Garcon(2021)/Aldrick Robinson(2018)/Chris Harper(2017)

YWR: Jeremy Kerley(2019)/Bruce Ellington(2017)/Aaron Burbridge(2019)

ZWR: Marquise Goodwin(2018)/Eric Rogers(2017)/DeAndre Carter(2018)/Rashad Ross(2017)/DeAndre Smelter(2017)

TE: Vance McDonald(2021)/Logan Paulsen(2017)/Garrett Celek(2019)/Blake Bell(2018)/Je'Ron Hamm(2017)

C: Daniel Kilgore(2017)/Alex Balducci(2018)

LG: Zane Beadles(2018)

RG: Joshua Garnett(2019)

LT: Joe Staley(2019)/John Theus(2019)

RT: Trent Brown(2018)/Norman Price(2018)

DEFENSE:

4T/DE: Arik Armstead(2018)/Ronald Blair(2019)/Zach Moore(2018)

1T/NT: Earl Mitchell(2020)/Mike Purcell(2017)

3T/DT: DeForest Buckner(2019)/Quinton Dial(2019)

6T/LEO: Aaron Lynch(2017)/Tank Carradine(2017)/Eli Harold(2018)/Ahmad Brooks(2017)

WLB: Malcolm Smith(2021)/Carl Bradford(2017)

MLB: NaVorro Bowman(2022)/Brock Coyle(2017)/Shayne Skov(2017)

SLB: Ray-Ray Armstrong(2018)/Wynton McManis(2018)

LCB: Tramaine Brock(2017)/Keith Reaser(2017)/Prince Charles Iworah(2017)

SCB: K'Wuan Williams(2017)/Will Redmond(2019)

RCB: Rashard Robinson(2019)/Dontae Johnson(2017)/JaCorey Shepherd(2017)

FS: Jimmie Ward(2017)/Don Jones(2018)/Marcus Ball(2017)

SS: Eric Reid(2017)/Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/Vinnie Sunseri(2017)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

PK: Robbie Gould(2018)/Nick Rose(2018)

P: Bradley Pinion(2018)/Brock Miller(2019)

LS: Kyle Nelson(2018)

AB, Tackle, Mitchell Van Dyk?

How many players do we have beyond 2018?

Seems like 80% of the roster will be out of contract.

Originally posted by NCommand:
AB, Tackle, Mitchell Van Dyk?

Unsigned.

Some new details courtesy of Aaron Wilson on Twitter.com.

Kyle Jusczczk's deal, 4yr $21M, $5M signing bonus, $400K per game RBs, $100K workout bonuses, $2M 2017 base gtd, $2.75M 2018 base fully gtd for injury, becomes gtd on April 1 2018, $4.2M 2019 base, and $5.05M 2020 base, 2019 and 2020 are option years.

2017: $3.75M
2018: $4.5M
2019: $5.95M
2020: $6.8M

Marquise Goowin's deal, 2yr/$6M, $2.5M signing bonus, $1.95M 2017 base gtd, $1.45M 2018 base, $50K workout bonuses, $1M in NLTBEs each year.

2017: $3.25M
2018: $2.75M

Brian Hoyer's deal 2yr/$12M, $4M signing bonus, $2.95M gtd 2017 base, $3.95M 2018 base, $1.5M NLTBE in 2017, and $5M NLTBE in 2018. $400K Per game RBs, and $150K Workout bonuses.

2017: $5.725M
2018: $6.5M

Logan Paulsen 1yr/$1M, $775K Base, $125K signing bonus, $100K per game RB.

2017: $1M

I currently have us at $82,042,702 under the 2017 cap, without Barkley, Robinson, Coyle, and Jones's terms.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

AB, Tackle, Mitchell Van Dyk?

Unsigned.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by PacTiger:

I don't like our leo situation. One of the best writers suggested lynch is more familiar with the 4 and 6 tech DE but familiar doesn't mean good and the writer stopped short of saying it. We have a glaring hole at the leo spot even though Blair will see some snaps there.

Btw, at 220 lbs, Malcolm smith is more likely to play the will not Sam. Unless cut, brooks will be the Sam.

Personally I'm looking at Solomon Thomas from Stanford in rd 1 to play the LEO spot, I'm a huge fan of him, that's if Garrett doesn't fall to us at 2.

Great player. Many concerns about him not being a true edge rusher though. Most ideal at RDT/3T where AA is projected to play. Versatile guy though...could play him at LDE/5T too (Buckner). But true edge rusher? Maybe?

That's why I've kept saying Thomas at Leo on base downs, in pass downs he'll slide to strongside DE when that guy ends up sliding inside at DT.

The longer i look at this the more i like it. Why not?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I currently have us at $82,042,702 under the 2017 cap, without Barkley, Robinson, Coyle, and Jones's terms.

Updated!

Man, that's a lot of cap...Robinson. is $3M per max, then a 3rd string QB and 2 ST players. Cheap...probably $77M left.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Some new details courtesy of Aaron Wilson on Twitter.com.

Kyle Jusczczk's deal, 4yr $21M, $5M signing bonus, $400K per game RBs, $100K workout bonuses, $2M 2017 base gtd, $2.75M 2018 base fully gtd for injury, becomes gtd on April 1 2018, $4.2M 2019 base, and $5.05M 2020 base, 2019 and 2020 are option years.

2017: $3.75M
2018: $4.5M
2019: $5.95M
2020: $6.8M

Marquise Goowin's deal, 2yr/$6M, $2.5M signing bonus, $1.95M 2017 base gtd, $1.45M 2018 base, $50K workout bonuses, $1M in NLTBEs each year.

2017: $3.25M
2018: $2.75M

Brian Hoyer's deal 2yr/$12M, $4M signing bonus, $2.95M gtd 2017 base, $3.95M 2018 base, $1.5M NLTBE in 2017, and $5M NLTBE in 2018. $400K Per game RBs, and $150K Workout bonuses.

2017: $5.725M
2018: $6.5M

Logan Paulsen 1yr/$1M, $775K Base, $125K signing bonus, $100K per game RB.

2017: $1M

I currently have us at $82,042,702 under the 2017 cap, without Barkley, Robinson, Coyle, and Jones's terms.

Nice! And those last four were signed for pretty cheap so in total probably the Niners are at least $70M under the cap.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Updated!

Man, that's a lot of cap...Robinson. is $3M per max, then a 3rd string QB and 2 ST players. Cheap...probably $77M left.

A LOT of cap space still after all the Free Agents they've added to this point!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Grant Cohn's

Here is what I think the 49ers depth chart currently looks like:

OFFENSE
X WR: Pierre Garcon, Aldrick Robinson, Eric Rogers, Chris Harper
SLOT: Jeremy Kerley, Bruce Ellington, Aaron Burbridge
Z WR: Marquise Goodwin, DeAndre Carter, Rashad Ross, DeAndre Smelter
LT: Joe Staley, John Theus
LG: Zane Beadles
C: Daniel Kilgore, Alex Balducci
RG: Joshua Garnett,
RT: Trent Brown, Norman Price
TE: Logan Paulsen, Vance McDonald, Blake Bell, Garrett Celek, Je'Ron Hamm
QB: Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley
FB: Kyle Juszczyk
RB: Carlos Hyde, Mike Davis, Raheem Mostert

DEFENSE
4t (weakside DE): Arik Armstead, Ronald Blair, Zach Moore
1t (nose tackle): Earl Mitchell, Mike Purcell
3t (defensive tackle): DeForest Buckner, Quinton Dial
6t (strongside DE): Aaron Lynch, Ahmad Brooks, Eli Harold, Tank Carradine
WLB (on ball): Malcolm Smith, Brock Coyle, Carl Bradford
MLB: NaVorro Bowman, Malcolm Smith, Wynton McManis
SLB (off ball): Ray Ray Armstrong, Shayne Skov
SS: Jaquiski Tartt, Vinnie Sunseri
FS: Jimmie Ward, Eric Reid
LCB: Tramaine Brock, Don Jones, Keith Reaser, Prince Charles Iworah
NCB: K'Waun Williams, Will Redmond
RCB: Rashard Robinson, Dontae Johnson, JaCorey Shepherd

SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Robbie Gould, Nick Rose
P: Bradley Pinion, Brock Miller
LS: Kyle Nelson
H: Bradley Pinion
PR: Jeremy Kerley, Bruce Ellington
KR: Marquise Goodwin, Aldrick Robinson, JaCorey Shepherd

STRONGEST POSITIONS: Offensive tackle, tight end, full back, 6-technique, free safety.

WEAKEST POSITIONS: Z receiver, guard, center, strong-side linebacker, middle linebacker, strong safety.

Grant Cohn, lol. We should strike going to his site and maybe he'll be out of a job.

Here's my current look at the roster with analysis-

Offense

QB: Hoyer, Barkley

Analysis- It's looking like we go into the season with Hoyer as our Day 1 starter, which was OK with me going into the off season. I think we did the best we could do here going into Free Agency aside from landing Cousins. I think we all have a good idea by now that Cousins wants to play for SF but the biggest questions are when and how? If we are set on Cousins being our guy whether it be in 2017 or 2018, taking a QB at #2 is out of the question. However, we should still do our due diligence on both Trub and Watson and make sure that they aren't "the guy". In the end, I see us going with a mid round QB prospect which allows us to keep the option of Cousins open.

Best Potential Additions- Watson and Trub (@#2), Peterman and Davis Webb (mid-round)
End Depth Chart: Hoyer, Barkley, Rookie

RB: Hyde, Mike Davis, Mostert

Analysis- We definitely need to add some pieces to this position group. After Hyde, Davis is a big question mark and Mostert was added late in the season. We'll be looking at the deep RB group hard in the draft and easily could bring another in FA. Hyde will have a big season if he can just stay healthy. More speed, play making, and pass catching ability will be required for any addition.

Best Potential Additions- Burkhead and Denard Robinson (FA), McCafferey (rounds 1-2), Kareem Hunt (mid rounder)
End Depth Chart: Hyde, Rookie, Burkhead/Robinson

FB/H-Back: Juszczyk, Blake Bell

Analysis- People are making a big deal about the money we paid Juszczyk but will use him as a receiver just as much as he will as a blocker. I have no problem with the addition and he's one of my favorite additions. Bell has the skill set to stick here more than TE so hopefully he can excel with Shanahan at the helm. I don't see us adding anyone here other than maybe a late rounder or undrafted FA.

Best Potential Additions - None
End Depth Chart: Juszczyk, Bell

XWR: Garcon, Eric Rogers, Smelter
YWR: Kerley, Aldrick Robinson, Ellington
ZWR: Goodwin, Burbridge, Carter, Ross

Analysis- I like Torrey Smith but swapping him for Garcon was the right move. Smith runs a limited route tree and was severely under producing. Too bad we couldn't get anything for him. Ideally, we would have Garcon as the #2 and at Z. Bringing in a #1 WR is still a big need and has been for MANY, MANY years now. Overall, I like the additions we brought in. Goodwin has speed that can stretch defenses, Garcon is reliable, tough, and productive, and Robinson has experience in Shanny's system and may be able to produce more with less in front of him. Re-signing Kerley for the price we did was also the right move. The "old WR's" that remain are going to have a tough time making the roster.

Best Potential Additions - Corey Davis (mid 1st), Mike Williams (mid-late 1st), Zay Jones (2nd), Darboh (mid rounds)
End Depth Chart- Garcon, Rookie, Kerley, Goodwin, Robinson, Burbridge/Ellington

TE: McDonald, Celek, Paulsen

Analysis- Paulsen is a solid addition as mostly a blocking TE, but Shanny will have him catching passes too. Celek doesn't do it for me but he can stick around unless we upgrade the position in the draft. Looking forward to seeing what McDonald can do in this offseason but it wouldn't surprise me if we take a MTE high in the draft and eventually waive Celek.

Best Potential Additions- OJ Howard (mid 1st), Evan Engram (2nd), Gerald Everett (2nd-3rd)
End Depth Chart- McDonald, Rookie, Paulsen

LT: Staley, Theus
LG: Beadles
C: Kilgore, Balducci
RG: Garnett
RT: Brown, Price

Analysis: The depth is lacking across the board but Lynch already knows that. Ideally I would like to move Garnett back to LG, and grab someone else to play RG, leaving Beadles as swing G. I think we have to look long and hard at bringing in a veteran C to compete with Kilgore. Better depth needed at RT/LT as well. Overall, a decent group but we still need to add here.

Best Potential Additions- Mangold (FA/C), John Sullivan (FA/C), Lamp (2nd), Dan Feeney (2nd), Dion Dawkins (2nd)
End Depth Chart- Staley, Garnett, FA, Rookie, Brown, Beadles, FA/Rookie, Theus

Defense

LDE (4T): Buckner, Dial, Moore
NT (1T): Mitchell, Purcell
RDT (3T): Armstead, Blair
LEO: Lynch, Tank

Analysis- Our weak link out of this group is LEO. Lynch is a good pass rusher when healthy but might be better a fit at SAM. We need our LEO to be a force rushing the passer who consistently gets to the QB. Mitchell is a solid addition but we need to push Purcell off the roster. Tendering him doesn't surprise me as their is no depth behind Mitchell, but getting a NT on Day 3 should be a priority. I have Armstead as a 3T because I think he is best at one gapping and penetrating in both the run game and pass game. Buckner proved to be a promising rookie and two gapped in our previous scheme and started to come on strong at the end of the year. He'll rotate with Armstead at each spot but I would keep him mostly at 4T in base. Blair should get his opportunities in nickel and Dial provides solid depth at all 3 interior DL positions. Tank may get pushed off the roster this year.

Best Potential Additions- Barnett (Mid 1st/LEO), Charles Harris (1st-2nd/LEO), McKinley (3rd with injury/LEO), Hankins (FA/NT), Roy Miller (NT), Dalvin Tomlinson (NT), Elijan Qualls (NT), Vanderdoes (NT)
End Depth Chart- Armstead, Mitchell, Buckner, Rookie, Lynch, Dial, Blair, NT (Rookie)

SAM: Brooks, Harold
MIKE: Bowman, Brock Croyle
WILL: Smith, Ray Ray

Analysis- We are 2 deep on paper with decent talent BUT we clearly need a youth and speed injection. People are complaining about the Smith contract but firstly we don't have the exact details and two he is being paid like a marginal starter even on the surface. If Bow can recovery from a second bad injury it will be remarkable. Brooks probably won't be around in 2018 so we'll need to prepare for the future at that spot, and Brock is more of a special teamer.

Best Potential Additions- Reddick (Mid-Late 1st/SAM or MIKE), TJ Watt (2nd/SAM), Cunningham (Late 1st/WILL), Trey Henderickson (Mid rounder/SAM), Foster (Early 1st/WILL), McMillian (2nd/MIKE), Jarrad Davis (2nd/WILL)
End Depth Chart- Brooks, Bowman, Smith, Rookie, Harold, Ray Ray, Rookie

RCB: Robinson, Reaser
SCB: Williams, Redmond, Iworah
LCB: DJ, Brock, Sheperd

Analysis- Hopefully Robinson can make a 2nd year leap as he is a good fit in this scheme as he was the last. I think he'll earn the starting job at RCB. DJ has the size we covet on the outside but we definitely need to upgrade. Brock is best suited as a #3 or #4 CB and lacks ball skills. In a Cover 1 scheme he'll need those skills as the S can only help so much and in Cover 3 we'll need length and ball skills in the back end. Thankfully the quality at CB in the draft this year is excellent and we should probably target one relatively early in the process. Good chance Brock is released/traded. Williams and Redmond should have a good battle for SCB duties. Reaser may be out of a roster spot this year.

Best Potential Additions- Humphrey (late 1st), Kevin King (2nd), Rasul Douglas (3rd)
End Depth Chart- Robinson, Rookie, Williams, Redmond, DJ

FS: Ward, Don Jones
SS: Tartt, Reid

Analysis- Moving Ward is the right thing to do. In this scheme he could be a play maker on the back end, and the skills he has developed at CB will help his coverage abilities in Cover 1. Tartt could end up being a great fit at SS in this scheme but Reid on the other hand is somewhat of a tweener. We are paying him quite a bit and it's hard to see him returning in 2018. We need more depth here but I think we're in a good spot going into the season.

Best Possible Additions- Hooker (FS), Baker (FS), Marcus Williams (FS), Jamal Adams (SS) *Don't see us going S in the Top 10
End Depth Chart- Ward, Tartt, Reid, Rookie, Don Jones

Special Teams

K: Gould
P: Pinion
LS: Nelson
PR: Kerley
KR: Goodwin