John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Rockchalk_Seahawk:

Originally posted by English:
Out of curiosity, please tell me what Bosa's injury record with us has to do with Lynch drafting him.

It's Lynch's fault Bosa keeps getting hurt. Duh. As if Lynch made all those picks without unanimity

If only he'd been more like the Cardinals and picked Murray over Bosa instead.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rockchalk_Seahawk:

Originally posted by English:
Out of curiosity, please tell me what Bosa's injury record with us has to do with Lynch drafting him.

It's Lynch's fault Bosa keeps getting hurt. Duh. As if Lynch made all those picks without unanimity

If only he'd been more like the Cardinals and picked Murray over Bosa instead.

I don't think his injuries would be an issue if not for the fact that year after year we don't have " best" players on the field. Year after year we chalk it up to bad luck, football is a violent game or sub station nonsense yet team philosophy for talent acquisition and conditioning get laughed at. This will remain the same until they change how they draft and who they sign. It's the hard route to success and the only one that will work. To do that you need a new GM. Anyone who doesn't legitimately think we are likely to have multiple stars down this year is not being honest with themselves. Evans, CMC, Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Greenlaw,Warner and Deebo are injury magnets. It is not even out of the realm of possibility that they all go down for multiple games and god forbid the season. Speculation.. no it's as simple as looking at recent history and age. The threat of a washed out year do to injuries is increasing year after year. The roster is getting older not younger. 2nd oldest in the nfl… do different or expect the same…..

Originally posted by FL9r:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rockchalk_Seahawk:

Originally posted by English:
Out of curiosity, please tell me what Bosa's injury record with us has to do with Lynch drafting him.

It's Lynch's fault Bosa keeps getting hurt. Duh. As if Lynch made all those picks without unanimity

If only he'd been more like the Cardinals and picked Murray over Bosa instead.

I don't think his injuries would be an issue if not for the fact that year after year we don't have " best" players on the field. Year after year we chalk it up to bad luck, football is a violent game or sub station nonsense yet team philosophy for talent acquisition and conditioning get laughed at. This will remain the same until they change how they draft and who they sign. It's the hard route to success and the only one that will work. To do that you need a new GM. Anyone who doesn't legitimately think we are likely to have multiple stars down this year is not being honest with themselves. Evans, CMC, Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Greenlaw,Warner and Deebo are injury magnets. It is not even out of the realm of possibility that they all go down for multiple games and god forbid the season. Speculation.. no it's as simple as looking at recent history and age. The threat of a washed out year do to injuries is increasing year after year. The roster is getting older not younger. 2nd oldest in the nfl… do different or expect the same…..

Evans has been mostly healthy his entire career until last season when he missed 7 games. Same for Warner. Trent Williams has had some issues but he still manages to play in most games. CMC, Bosa and Kittle are concerns since they've all had multiple injuries. Deebo too but he's not quite as important as those 3.

I'm not sure how they can change the way they draft to guarantee players won't get injured. If you know the secret please let them know.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by FL9r:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rockchalk_Seahawk:

Originally posted by English:
Out of curiosity, please tell me what Bosa's injury record with us has to do with Lynch drafting him.

It's Lynch's fault Bosa keeps getting hurt. Duh. As if Lynch made all those picks without unanimity

If only he'd been more like the Cardinals and picked Murray over Bosa instead.

I don't think his injuries would be an issue if not for the fact that year after year we don't have " best" players on the field. Year after year we chalk it up to bad luck, football is a violent game or sub station nonsense yet team philosophy for talent acquisition and conditioning get laughed at. This will remain the same until they change how they draft and who they sign. It's the hard route to success and the only one that will work. To do that you need a new GM. Anyone who doesn't legitimately think we are likely to have multiple stars down this year is not being honest with themselves. Evans, CMC, Bosa, Kittle, Trent, Greenlaw,Warner and Deebo are injury magnets. It is not even out of the realm of possibility that they all go down for multiple games and god forbid the season. Speculation.. no it's as simple as looking at recent history and age. The threat of a washed out year do to injuries is increasing year after year. The roster is getting older not younger. 2nd oldest in the nfl… do different or expect the same…..

Evans has been mostly healthy his entire career until last season when he missed 7 games. Same for Warner. Trent Williams has had some issues but he still manages to play in most games. CMC, Bosa and Kittle are concerns since they've all had multiple injuries. Deebo too but he's not quite as important as those 3.

I'm not sure how they can change the way they draft to guarantee players won't get injured. If you know the secret please let them know.

It's not the specific players we're drafting. For example, Kinlaw struggled with injuries every season he was here. In the two seasons since he's left he hasn't missed a game. Pearsall didn't miss a game in college, but as soon as he comes here, injury after injury.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

It's not the specific players we're drafting. For example, Kinlaw struggled with injuries every season he was here. In the two seasons since he's left he hasn't missed a game. Pearsall didn't miss a game in college, but as soon as he comes here, injury after injury.

This continues to sound like we have a terrible training staff. Seen this way too much.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Brother I feel the exact same way!!!! I remember saying this something similar in another thread. But the fact of the matter is John Lynch is just not aggressive enough to make Myles Garrett type trades.

yeah man the CMC and Trent Williams trades were so meh

I'm just saying that Lynch holds back when it comes to 1st round picks.

I don't think Lynch has ever used their 1st round picks for proven players iirc....

2017 - Solly, Rueben
2018 - Mcglinchey
2019 - Bosa
2020 - Kinlaw, Aiyuk
2021 - Lance
2024 - Ricky
2025 - Williams

Only 2 from these are roster worthy players. Mike and Nick, Mike isn't on the team and Nick is coming off his 3rd ACL injury.

I for one wouldn't mind trading our 1st away for a proven great player. With that being said I could be wrong about the information above, since im just going off what I remember lol...

This is why I DGAF about 1st round picks anymore. That track record is horrendous, done making excuses for it. He needs to change the way he drafts, for instance take a shot at a Guard or a Safety in the 1st round, shoot trade up for one Caleb Downs was right frickin there!!! From #27 to #11 was doable!!! And jumping over Chicago for Dillon Thieneman would've been sick too.

Just trade the 1st round picks already and be done with it. Cap space and Draft picks are for the rebuilders!!!

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's not the specific players we're drafting. For example, Kinlaw struggled with injuries every season he was here. In the two seasons since he's left he hasn't missed a game. Pearsall didn't miss a game in college, but as soon as he comes here, injury after injury.

This continues to sound like we have a terrible training staff. Seen this way too much.

Cherry picking. Ex-49ers have been injured, too, such as McGlinchey in 2024.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's not the specific players we're drafting. For example, Kinlaw struggled with injuries every season he was here. In the two seasons since he's left he hasn't missed a game. Pearsall didn't miss a game in college, but as soon as he comes here, injury after injury.

This continues to sound like we have a terrible training staff. Seen this way too much.

Cherry picking. Ex-49ers have been injured, too, such as McGlinchey in 2024.

Put Jerry Rice on the training staff! From high school through his entire pro career he only had the 1 season where he was injured. Whatever he did is what the rest of the team needs.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is why I DGAF about 1st round picks anymore. That track record is horrendous, done making excuses for it. He needs to change the way he drafts, for instance take a shot at a Guard or a Safety in the 1st round, shoot trade up for one Caleb Downs was right frickin there!!! From #27 to #11 was doable!!! And jumping over Chicago for Dillon Thieneman would've been sick too.

Just trade the 1st round picks already and be done with it. Cap space and Draft picks are for the rebuilders!!!

Agree on first round picks. I like how ShanaLynch traded down their first round pick in 2026. I hope they do more of that. It goes to their strengths of finding multiple blue chippers in the later rounds - Warner, Kittle, Purdy, Jennings, McKivitz vs only Bosa.

I'd rather they trade down vs throwing away their first round picks (example: Trey Lance trade).

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is why I DGAF about 1st round picks anymore. That track record is horrendous, done making excuses for it. He needs to change the way he drafts, for instance take a shot at a Guard or a Safety in the 1st round, shoot trade up for one Caleb Downs was right frickin there!!! From #27 to #11 was doable!!! And jumping over Chicago for Dillon Thieneman would've been sick too.

Just trade the 1st round picks already and be done with it. Cap space and Draft picks are for the rebuilders!!!

Agree on first round picks. I like how ShanaLynch traded down their first round pick in 2026. I hope they do more of that. It goes to their strengths of finding multiple blue chippers in the later rounds - Warner, Kittle, Purdy, Jennings, McKivitz vs only Bosa.

I'd rather they trade down vs throwing away their first round picks (example: Trey Lance trade).

I think if we really want to dig this regime for their first round picks we have to look at the whole picture.

When in their jobs did they make each pick(we all make mistakes, it's how you learn from them...or whether you do)
How was the draft class in question? We know not all draft classes are the same.
When were they picking? Top 10 picks tend to be safer bets than bottom 10 in the first.

As I've said I believe we'd be a better team if Kyle gives up his power to a more seasoned GM(Lynch has been around for a while but it's hard to say what his value as a talent evaluator actually is when Kyle clearly calls the shots unless they hand it over to Saleh)

Thing is like you said...you have those picks and you can do a lot of different things with them. Stribling still has to show up in games that matter so I'm not ready to celebrate him yet but IF he's the guy most expect now then 49ers are buying themselves some leeway.

As much crap as Pearsall gets...he's shown he can play and play at a high level. Even bringing up injuries into it you can't fault the team for drafting him when he missed 0 starts in college.

I'd say they've shown that they're trying to learn from their mistakes and trying to avoid guys with off the field issues like Foster, stay away from tweeners early like Thomas and avoiding injury concern guys like Kinlaw.

We've just been incredibly snake bit with the recent crop of first round guys. Even Lance had the ankle break so we never got to see what he could be here. I certainly have no worries about that with Brock here but Pearsall and Mykel were guys who weren't injury concerns in the draft and simply got bad luck injuries before they could show they're good draft picks. Pearsall's time unfortunately is running short but Mykel at 22 and going into year 2 still has plenty of time to make his selection be a good one.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
This is why I DGAF about 1st round picks anymore. That track record is horrendous, done making excuses for it. He needs to change the way he drafts, for instance take a shot at a Guard or a Safety in the 1st round, shoot trade up for one Caleb Downs was right frickin there!!! From #27 to #11 was doable!!! And jumping over Chicago for Dillon Thieneman would've been sick too.

Just trade the 1st round picks already and be done with it. Cap space and Draft picks are for the rebuilders!!!

Agree on first round picks. I like how ShanaLynch traded down their first round pick in 2026. I hope they do more of that. It goes to their strengths of finding multiple blue chippers in the later rounds - Warner, Kittle, Purdy, Jennings, McKivitz vs only Bosa.

I'd rather they trade down vs throwing away their first round picks (example: Trey Lance trade).

I think if we really want to dig this regime for their first round picks we have to look at the whole picture.

When in their jobs did they make each pick(we all make mistakes, it's how you learn from them...or whether you do)
How was the draft class in question? We know not all draft classes are the same.
When were they picking? Top 10 picks tend to be safer bets than bottom 10 in the first.

As I've said I believe we'd be a better team if Kyle gives up his power to a more seasoned GM(Lynch has been around for a while but it's hard to say what his value as a talent evaluator actually is when Kyle clearly calls the shots unless they hand it over to Saleh)

Thing is like you said...you have those picks and you can do a lot of different things with them. Stribling still has to show up in games that matter so I'm not ready to celebrate him yet but IF he's the guy most expect now then 49ers are buying themselves some leeway.

As much crap as Pearsall gets...he's shown he can play and play at a high level. Even bringing up injuries into it you can't fault the team for drafting him when he missed 0 starts in college.

I'd say they've shown that they're trying to learn from their mistakes and trying to avoid guys with off the field issues like Foster, stay away from tweeners early like Thomas and avoiding injury concern guys like Kinlaw.

We've just been incredibly snake bit with the recent crop of first round guys. Even Lance had the ankle break so we never got to see what he could be here. I certainly have no worries about that with Brock here but Pearsall and Mykel were guys who weren't injury concerns in the draft and simply got bad luck injuries before they could show they're good draft picks. Pearsall's time unfortunately is running short but Mykel at 22 and going into year 2 still has plenty of time to make his selection be a good one.

Personally, I think the ShanaLynch duo has been pretty decent in acquiring players. Just think about it. Two Superbowl appearances since 2017. Almost like every 3 years they appear in the championship game, almost. 2017 to 2019 is about 3 years, 2020 to 2023 is about 3 years, and then we're going on the 3rd rebuilding/reloading phase and hopefully a Superbowl appearance either this year or next. Hope hope! So I don't see Lynch having to be replaced at all. Having said that, that doesn't stop him from leaving the 49ers if they can't extend his contract, or he just is tired of it and just leaves. I look at the GM squad both Brian Hampton and RJ Gillen look like strong candidates to replace Lynch. Add in Kwesi and Frank Gore and that's a potentially a strong GM bench.

Like you said Kyle has a lot of power, but I think since Adam Peters left, he's relinquished a lot of power to the rest of the team and the front office. One reason I think is that Kyle's had a lot of misfires - Trey Lance, Dante Pettis, Reuben Foster, Joe Williams etc... The other is that Kyle has said they do a self scout and see what has worked and what hasn't. Obviously they have had more success in the later rounds (Purdy, Jennings, Colton McKivitz, etc...) than the earlier rounds, so I think they have (to a certain extent) implemented whatever worked to get the late round gems to the earlier rounds, since Adam Peters left. I believe what ShanaLynch - since Adam Peters left - is a more collaborative scouting kind of process. The Redskins under Joe Gibbs did a very similar kind of draft process - i.e. *everybody in the front office and the coaching staff* gets involved.

2022 to 2023 drafts was one of the two weakest 49er drafts, but that's because of the Trey and CMC trades. We used a lot of draft capital to get those players. However, from a talent acquisition standpoint, trading for CMC and drafting Brock was - to me - eventually one of the stronger offseasons we had in getting talent. Free agency - in 2023 we got Jake Tonges, Sam Okuayinonu, Sam Darnold, Jon Feliciano. 2024 we got Drake Nugent, Evan Anderson. 2025 we got Mac Jones, Demarcus Robinson, Bryce Huff. Both Jake and Mac are starters and I consider them first round talent - if we had to pick them in the 2023 and 2025 draft.

Even if this rookie class is special and it doesn't negate the constant previous failures. Lynch after this year needs to be replaced with a real GM with actual FO experience imo.

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Even if this rookie class is special and it doesn't negate the constant previous failures. Lynch after this year needs to be replaced with a real GM with actual FO experience imo.

10 years of already doing the job doesn't count as experience?

I am not high on him as a drafter but come on - that is not a quality argument.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Even if this rookie class is special and it doesn't negate the constant previous failures. Lynch after this year needs to be replaced with a real GM with actual FO experience imo.

10 years of already doing the job doesn't count as experience?

I am not high on him as a drafter but come on - that is not a quality argument.

As always the complainers have nobody in mind to replace him with. That's because experienced, proven GMs aren't usually available so teams often go to an assisrtant GM from some team. Unfortunately being an assistant to a successful GM isn't a guarantee that he'll be a success. Some people are much better at assisting than leading.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's not the specific players we're drafting. For example, Kinlaw struggled with injuries every season he was here. In the two seasons since he's left he hasn't missed a game. Pearsall didn't miss a game in college, but as soon as he comes here, injury after injury.

Yeah, the first injury involved getting shot of course. And then there was the PCL injury. With its complications. I really do not see this as being "injury after injury". Only someone who really dislikes the player or the team can mark up being shot as being part of "injury after injury".