John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure Lynch is on the phone every day with GMs from around the league. Most trades don't happen with one phine call. There are usually a lot of feelers put out before anything happens. Just because Lynch hasn't pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade doesn't mean he hasn't been working on one. My guess is far more deals fall through than we ever hear about.

This is what bugs me about the 2021 Stafford trade. I would think quite literally no trade ever should ever happen without all 32 GMs knowing about it first, let alone under anyone's nose, since it would be objectively terrible business otherwise (and unprofessional) to not at least hear the best possible offer from every possible candidate.

Yet Kyle made it sound like the Lions promised him and Lynch they would talk more the following Monday, and then bam Stafford gets traded Saturday night. I wish there was more of a media push to figure out what happened. Was Kyle lying, or was he lied to? Or did the Rams say "okay we will give you TWO 1sts with Goff but you have to accept the deal NOW…"?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Lynch has a home Super Bowl and gets rid of half the roster and doesn't make any significant moves to push us over the top and we watch the Seahawks win the SB in our stadium.

Snead has a home Super Bowl and adds the best player in the game.

It would be nice to have a competent GM.

This is what pisses me off about John Lynch and his consultants. I was pounding the table to go all in due to a Super Bowl at home and he just sat back and said it didn't fit into the teams plans (or something of the sort). Imagine if they traded a 2nd for Quinnen Williams and a 3rd for Jaelan Phillips last season like Dallas and Philly did, where would the 9ers have been? Sure it was a 2026 2nd round and 2027 1st round picks for Williams but they would have held on to their 2026 1st round pick.

BUT I've been saying this for years now... Lynch and Shanny believe that the players they draft would all be a bunch of Diamonds in the Rough that they rather keep all the picks, save money and HOPE to win the Super Bowl..

Lynch's last 4 drafts in the past 4 years have all ranked in the bottom 4 every year.

We rank dead last in draft capital over expected rank in the last 4 years

We have reached (some more than 150+ spots) on 20 guys in the last 4 years.

And that doesn't include the brutal moves like trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, drafting Solomon Thomas and the Trey Lance trade.

Usually one or two of those moves gets a whole front office fired never mind having the WORST drafts by far the last 4 years.

So I ask again, why does Lynch still have a job and why is Shanahan allowed anywhere near the draft room and draft process?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Lynch has a home Super Bowl and gets rid of half the roster and doesn't make any significant moves to push us over the top and we watch the Seahawks win the SB in our stadium.

Snead has a home Super Bowl and adds the best player in the game.

It would be nice to have a competent GM.

This is what pisses me off about John Lynch and his consultants. I was pounding the table to go all in due to a Super Bowl at home and he just sat back and said it didn't fit into the teams plans (or something of the sort). Imagine if they traded a 2nd for Quinnen Williams and a 3rd for Jaelan Phillips last season like Dallas and Philly did, where would the 9ers have been? Sure it was a 2026 2nd round and 2027 1st round picks for Williams but they would have held on to their 2026 1st round pick.

Where? Watching Seattle win the SB in our own stadium but without a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick.

Also brushing off Dallas throwing in a first round pick in what is considered by virtually everyone to be a SUBSTANTIALLY stronger draft class in 2027 and a player on top of it as an afterthought it something.

You're better than that man. 49ers 100% made the right decision not to go for those trades. What do you think they help us do last year? Lose 23 to 6 instead?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure Lynch is on the phone every day with GMs from around the league. Most trades don't happen with one phine call. There are usually a lot of feelers put out before anything happens. Just because Lynch hasn't pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade doesn't mean he hasn't been working on one. My guess is far more deals fall through than we ever hear about.

This is what bugs me about the 2021 Stafford trade. I would think quite literally no trade ever should ever happen without all 32 GMs knowing about it first, let alone under anyone's nose, since it would be objectively terrible business otherwise (and unprofessional) to not at least hear the best possible offer from every possible candidate.

Yet Kyle made it sound like the Lions promised him and Lynch they would talk more the following Monday, and then bam Stafford gets traded Saturday night. I wish there was more of a media push to figure out what happened. Was Kyle lying, or was he lied to? Or did the Rams say "okay we will give you TWO 1sts with Goff but you have to accept the deal NOW…"?

We don't know what the Rams said. All we know is what was revealed through interviews and articles.

49ers and Kyle were trying to trade for Stafford. They were basically told nothing is happening anytime soon. Kyle goes on with his vacation. He gets called by a source telling him the Lions are going to move him now regardless of what he's heard so he needs to get a hold of them if they want Stafford. They never heard from the Lions who went ahead and made the deal they made.

In some way it could've been similar to what just happened with the Garrett trade. Lions new GM loved Goff after being in the Rams building when he was drafted. That was clearly a piece they felt very strongly about receiving along with the draft picks. Who were the 49ers going to offer? Jimmy G after we were giving up on him as well? I imagine if we made the move for the 3rd overall pick we were offering up a substantial haul of draft picks(just like we did when trying to get Aaron Rodgers)

It takes two teams to get a deal done. Clearly Lions GM knew what he wanted. He could've easily gotten more by playing the 49ers and the Rams against each other. That wasn't what happened. Yet people still pretend Shanahan just brushed it off and ignored the Lions and blew the trade somehow.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Lynch's last 4 drafts in the past 4 years have all ranked in the bottom 4 every year.

We rank dead last in draft capital over expected rank in the last 4 years

We have reached (some more than 150+ spots) on 20 guys in the last 4 years.

And that doesn't include the brutal moves like trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, drafting Solomon Thomas and the Trey Lance trade.

Usually one or two of those moves gets a whole front office fired never mind having the WORST drafts by far the last 4 years.

So I ask again, why does Lynch still have a job and why is Shanahan allowed anywhere near the draft room and draft process?

You keep asking but you're clearly not looking for real responses because you keep ignoring them...

So why keep asking the same thing if you're not looking for real discussion? That smells like spam.

Can't draft. Can't trade. Can't sign FAs. How exactly are we winning games again?

Originally posted by Chance:
Can't draft. Can't trade. Can't sign FAs. How exactly are we winning games again?

we must NOT allow our selves to be happy with just winning... Super Bowl WINS must be once again our measuring stick !!

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Lynch's last 4 drafts in the past 4 years have all ranked in the bottom 4 every year.

We rank dead last in draft capital over expected rank in the last 4 years

We have reached (some more than 150+ spots) on 20 guys in the last 4 years.

And that doesn't include the brutal moves like trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, drafting Solomon Thomas and the Trey Lance trade.

Usually one or two of those moves gets a whole front office fired never mind having the WORST drafts by far the last 4 years.

So I ask again, why does Lynch still have a job and why is Shanahan allowed anywhere near the draft room and draft process?

Oh, look, another meaningless data point to gather clicks.

Personally, I prefer the winless record and the impact of injuries to key players.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Lynch's last 4 drafts in the past 4 years have all ranked in the bottom 4 every year.

We rank dead last in draft capital over expected rank in the last 4 years

We have reached (some more than 150+ spots) on 20 guys in the last 4 years.

And that doesn't include the brutal moves like trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, drafting Solomon Thomas and the Trey Lance trade.

Usually one or two of those moves gets a whole front office fired never mind having the WORST drafts by far the last 4 years.

So I ask again, why does Lynch still have a job and why is Shanahan allowed anywhere near the draft room and draft process?

Simple because we have an owner who doesn't really care about winning it all.. as long as we win some, he's happy..

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure Lynch is on the phone every day with GMs from around the league. Most trades don't happen with one phine call. There are usually a lot of feelers put out before anything happens. Just because Lynch hasn't pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade doesn't mean he hasn't been working on one. My guess is far more deals fall through than we ever hear about.

This is what bugs me about the 2021 Stafford trade. I would think quite literally no trade ever should ever happen without all 32 GMs knowing about it first, let alone under anyone's nose, since it would be objectively terrible business otherwise (and unprofessional) to not at least hear the best possible offer from every possible candidate.

Yet Kyle made it sound like the Lions promised him and Lynch they would talk more the following Monday, and then bam Stafford gets traded Saturday night. I wish there was more of a media push to figure out what happened. Was Kyle lying, or was he lied to? Or did the Rams say "okay we will give you TWO 1sts with Goff but you have to accept the deal NOW…"?

We don't know what the Rams said. All we know is what was revealed through interviews and articles.

49ers and Kyle were trying to trade for Stafford. They were basically told nothing is happening anytime soon. Kyle goes on with his vacation. He gets called by a source telling him the Lions are going to move him now regardless of what he's heard so he needs to get a hold of them if they want Stafford. They never heard from the Lions who went ahead and made the deal they made.

In some way it could've been similar to what just happened with the Garrett trade. Lions new GM loved Goff after being in the Rams building when he was drafted. That was clearly a piece they felt very strongly about receiving along with the draft picks. Who were the 49ers going to offer? Jimmy G after we were giving up on him as well? I imagine if we made the move for the 3rd overall pick we were offering up a substantial haul of draft picks(just like we did when trying to get Aaron Rodgers)

It takes two teams to get a deal done. Clearly Lions GM knew what he wanted. He could've easily gotten more by playing the 49ers and the Rams against each other. That wasn't what happened. Yet people still pretend Shanahan just brushed it off and ignored the Lions and blew the trade somehow.

I'm sorry but for the first time I'm going to say this to you: your comment does not make sense.

First of all, the Stafford trade was agreed on in January before the Bucs/Chiefs Super Bowl was even played. We traded for #3 overall in March. So no, we could not have traded #3 overall for Stafford.

Second of all, are you seriously trying to argue Goff was seen as a much more valuable asset than Jimmy G? I would say at the time it was about lateral. Jimmy G was on a much more reasonable contract and had accomplished about as much. Also there were absolutely stories that McVay was in a "failed marriage" with Goff just days before the trade went down after their playoff loss to the Packers. So their leverage was even weaker than ours when accounting for QB relationship.

Third of all, Kyle made it sound like the trade simply happened right under his nose and that he never even got a chance to give a counter offer. This "a source at least told him before the trade was finalized" take is news to me and a source would be nice but I don't think that's what happened.

Fourth of all, #12 overall + Jimmy G is what we could have offered and that is objectively a better package than what the Lions got at least at the time. Goff's contract was considered onerous and the two 1sts were in the future before position was guaranteed at all. It would've been seen as a lot but I think we can all agree it would've worked out better for us than the Trey Lance trade.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm sure Lynch is on the phone every day with GMs from around the league. Most trades don't happen with one phine call. There are usually a lot of feelers put out before anything happens. Just because Lynch hasn't pulled the trigger on a blockbuster trade doesn't mean he hasn't been working on one. My guess is far more deals fall through than we ever hear about.

This is what bugs me about the 2021 Stafford trade. I would think quite literally no trade ever should ever happen without all 32 GMs knowing about it first, let alone under anyone's nose, since it would be objectively terrible business otherwise (and unprofessional) to not at least hear the best possible offer from every possible candidate.

Yet Kyle made it sound like the Lions promised him and Lynch they would talk more the following Monday, and then bam Stafford gets traded Saturday night. I wish there was more of a media push to figure out what happened. Was Kyle lying, or was he lied to? Or did the Rams say "okay we will give you TWO 1sts with Goff but you have to accept the deal NOW…"?

We don't know what the Rams said. All we know is what was revealed through interviews and articles.

49ers and Kyle were trying to trade for Stafford. They were basically told nothing is happening anytime soon. Kyle goes on with his vacation. He gets called by a source telling him the Lions are going to move him now regardless of what he's heard so he needs to get a hold of them if they want Stafford. They never heard from the Lions who went ahead and made the deal they made.

In some way it could've been similar to what just happened with the Garrett trade. Lions new GM loved Goff after being in the Rams building when he was drafted. That was clearly a piece they felt very strongly about receiving along with the draft picks. Who were the 49ers going to offer? Jimmy G after we were giving up on him as well? I imagine if we made the move for the 3rd overall pick we were offering up a substantial haul of draft picks(just like we did when trying to get Aaron Rodgers)

It takes two teams to get a deal done. Clearly Lions GM knew what he wanted. He could've easily gotten more by playing the 49ers and the Rams against each other. That wasn't what happened. Yet people still pretend Shanahan just brushed it off and ignored the Lions and blew the trade somehow.

I'm sorry but for the first time I'm going to say this to you: your comment does not make sense.

First of all, the Stafford trade was agreed on in January before the Bucs/Chiefs Super Bowl was even played. We traded for #3 overall in March. So no, we could not have traded #3 overall for Stafford.

Second of all, are you seriously trying to argue Goff was seen as a much more valuable asset than Jimmy G? I would say at the time it was about lateral. Jimmy G was on a much more reasonable contract and had accomplished about as much. Also there were absolutely stories that McVay was in a "failed marriage" with Goff just days before the trade went down after their playoff loss to the Packers. So their leverage was even weaker than ours when accounting for QB relationship.

Third of all, Kyle made it sound like the trade simply happened right under his nose and that he never even got a chance to give a counter offer. This "a source at least told him before the trade was finalized" take is news to me and a source would be nice but I don't think that's what happened.

Fourth of all, #12 overall + Jimmy G is what we could have offered and that is objectively a better package than what the Lions got at least at the time. Goff's contract was considered onerous and the two 1sts were in the future before position was guaranteed at all. It would've been seen as a lot but I think we can all agree it would've worked out better for us than the Trey Lance trade.

Ahmm...you realize we could've offered what we did FOR the #3 overall to try and get Stafford right? By all accounts we tried to offer that for Rodgers before making that trade and even a last attempt to try to trade for him after we had #3 overall. Not sure how you read what I wrote and got that we offered 3rd overall for Stafford.

Second...yes 100%. Jimmy G was coming off another injury plagued season. His value crashed hard after that 2020 season(once again that's why we tried to upgrade from him) Goff was also known by the Lions GM, as Brad Holmes was part of the group who drafted him with the Rams in the first place. So yes a 27 year old Jared Goff not coming off more injuries is more valuable to a former Rams scout than 30 year old Jimmy G coming off a really down year.

Third...here you go

"Half an hour later, my buddy calls me and is like, 'I'm just telling ya, if you want Stafford, you need to get a hold of him right now.' I'm like, 'What do you mean? We just talked to people. I can sleep on this. We'll talk to them tomorrow.' 'I'm just telling you, you need to talk to him right now.' And then it was all over."

That's directly from Kyle's mouth. So yes...Kyle was informed of it last minute but clearly the Lions weren't interested in any other offers or they would've reached out or picked up the phone.

Fourth once again you seem to struggle with the idea that Brad Holmes felt a certain kind of way about Jared Goff. Whatever the issues Sean had with Goff don't matter when one of the guys pushing for Goff to be drafted in a big trade up scenario was now the GM for the Lions. So maybe to you that's a better package but I think most people would disagree and clearly so did Brad Holmes. If he saw Goff as a legit franchise QB that tends to be a 2 first round pick type of player. The Rams moved that AND 2 first round picks and a 3rd. If we offered up once again what we did for the 3rd overall pick it still likely wouldn't be enough for the Lions.

So in the end you'd have to ask Brad Holmes why they didn't bother trying to get a counter offer from the 49ers.

Trading for Garoppolo instead waiting and pursuing K. Cousins in FA sent this regime and franchise into alternative universe. Sort of like being in the Twilight Zone. Someone f**ked it up, who I don't know.

Is it time to reconsider a trade for Maxx Crosby? Ravens' had agreed to trade two firsts for him. Would a 2027 first and a 2028 second or third be enough to get on the 49ers now? Would he be worth that? He's 28.

Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Trading for Garoppolo instead waiting and pursuing K. Cousins in FA sent this regime and franchise into alternative universe. Sort of like being in the Twilight Zone. Someone f**ked it up, who I don't know.

There was a QB controversy brewing in SF between Brian Hoyer and CJ Beathard because Shanny wanted to show the world why he passed on Mahomes and hand picked CJ back in 2017. He let it be known that Hoyer was only there to warm up the offense for Bobby's grandson. Shanny then realized that CJ may need more seasoning since he couldn't get the ball game in and game out to Shanny's future All Pro in WR Dante Pettis so he traded for Christopher Reeves look a like in Jimmy Garappolo... This was actually a good move (IMO) because both Hoyer and CJ would have never taken us to the Super Bowl and Jimmy would have never been the one to blame for the SF fiasco after a 10 point lead in that Super Bowl froze The Best Young Mind in Football's brain. The comedy actually happened in the off season when Shanny refused to have the Second Best QB Ever in Tom Brady to get him the Super Bowl ring... Instead, he stayed with Jimmy w/o going All In and believing on the guy so that he has someone to point finger on.