John Lynch - 49ers GM

just as a reminder: "Draft boards, projections, etc"

This is what has been said regarding Kittle:

Name: George Kittle

School: Iowa

Position fit: In-line or move tight end

Stats to know: Has only allowed a single quarterback pressure over the last two seasons combined. Earned the second-highest run blocking grade (79.6) in 2016 among the TE draft class.

What he does best:

Transitioned from a wide receiver/safety in high school to becoming one of the top blocking tight ends in the nation.Attacks blocking assignments with an obvious, concentrated gameplan comprising excellent footwork, balance, and leverage.Excellent blocking on the move, particularly on the backside of zone playsIowa utilizes a run-first offense, but Kittle still produced the seventh-highest yards per route run average (1.91) over the last two years from the TE draft class.Quickness and speed make him a versatile receiving threat and capable of separating from linebackers.Frequently drives defenders on skates well away from the play with exceptional technique.Extensive footage available displaying his ability to dominate blocking defenders despite average size — listed at 235 pounds during his senior season.Averaged 7.1 yards after the catch per reception over the last three years.Biggest concern:

Durability concerns — injuries forced him to miss seven games over the last two seasons.While his technique is well-above average, size may limit his ability to block in-line at the next level. May fit best as a No. 2 tight end and receiving mismatch.Minimal special-teams experience.Player comparison: Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins

Cooley is bigger than Kittle, but he could line up in multiple spots including H-back or in the slot. Kittle will likely play in a similar role, creating passing game mismatches while perhaps even providing more in the run game than Cooley.

Bottom line: Kittle has the athleticism to be a receiving mismatch at the next level though it's his blocking that makes him a perfect fit as a No. 2 tight end capable of playing in a "move" role. He can separate from linebackers and safeties, whether attached to the formation or in the slot, and while he'll likely never be a dominant in-line run blocker, Kittle projects as a useful matchup option in a two-tight end offense.

or:
he is a very good blocker, just his size is perhaps too small for effective in line blocking in the NFL. however, he was a very good blocker in college.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Sure Kaelons blocking ability is much more valuable than adding a talented lineman to the mix.

Foerster sucks as does Brendel and the fact that McKivitz is the only lineman hes developed in all this time speaks to the fact and McKivitz isn't exactly a world beater.

What miracle has Forester performed ever?

Assembled two Offensive Line squads that made it to the Superbowl with *your* so called nobodies on the OLine.

I couldnt find a thread on Curtis Robinson. This is a problem isn't it? From a special teams perspective.

Bring Joey Bosa to the red and gold, do it Johnny

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Sure Kaelons blocking ability is much more valuable than adding a talented lineman to the mix.

Foerster sucks as does Brendel and the fact that McKivitz is the only lineman hes developed in all this time speaks to the fact and McKivitz isn't exactly a world beater.

What miracle has Forester performed ever?

Assembled two Offensive Line squads that made it to the Superbowl with *your* so called nobodies on the OLine.

G, you don't think Forester is desperate for talent? Take a listen to that phone call to Cruz again and listen very closely.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Because it's being talked about on a National level; not just Grant. All over Twitter with that Sharp guy, media on the networks etc etc. You think the Yorks likes this kind of attention? Especially when the data shows that NONE of these crazy reach guys (particularly RBs) have worked out?

We'll see. I mean if nothing changes and our early round busts continue every year; I'm pretty sure more than Grant will start questioning things.

Grant Cohn is a clickbait tool who barely understands the game and will try and find a way to start backpedaling on his position the minute any of this year's picks start to play well. The National media isn't much better. It's full of "experts" whose brands are built around the idea that they know more than anyone else, when in fact there aren't more than a handful whose opinions don't reflect their own biases and agendas. Guys like Colin Cowherd make their living off of this kind of thing so of course he's going to lean into in a way that gets him the most attention, because it fits a narrative he feels he can exploit for views.

I've posted links to two videos I watched that took a more positive look at the 49er's draft and which I came away from feeling pretty good about the picks in terms of how the players fit into the team's plans. If these guys can live up to their potential I think some of them could end up being real contributors, but it doesn't appear that they have gotten much traction in here because people would rather just double down on their John Lynch doesn't know what he's doing argument then take a bit of time to look at something that helps put the picks into some kind of context.

Does that mean any of these picks will work out the way the team hopes, absolutely not. Does that mean there aren't legitimate questions to be asked about the team's approach to the draft, no. But there are stats out there that show Lynch's miss rate isn't much worse than a lot of other GMs in the league, just as there are some that show it's below average. As with everything else, people will point to the ones that confirm their own position.

I don't watch college football and don't care much about "consensus" picks because I don't know who any of the players are beyond the names of a few who end up getting mentioned a lot, so the difference between David Bailey at #2 and Romello Height at #70 doesn't mean all that much to me. I prefer to look at the draft in simpler terms. It's a good draft if they can find guys who end up making a positive impact on the team, no matter where they were picked in comparison to the consensus. It's a bad draft if they don't find some of those guys. Even by that metric, it's hard to deny the team has had some bad drafts in the last few years and the lack of any potential All Pros in the recent run of players is a little disturbing. But hope springs eternal, right. Maybe this year's class will buck the trend. Go Niners!

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Because it's being talked about on a National level; not just Grant. All over Twitter with that Sharp guy, media on the networks etc etc. You think the Yorks likes this kind of attention? Especially when the data shows that NONE of these crazy reach guys (particularly RBs) have worked out?

We'll see. I mean if nothing changes and our early round busts continue every year; I'm pretty sure more than Grant will start questioning things.

Grant Cohn is a clickbait tool who barely understands the game and will try and find a way to start backpedaling on his position the minute any of this year's picks start to play well. The National media isn't much better. It's full of "experts" whose brands are built around the idea that they know more than anyone else, when in fact there aren't more than a handful whose opinions don't reflect their own biases and agendas. Guys like Colin Cowherd make their living off of this kind of thing so of course he's going to lean into in a way that gets him the most attention, because it fits a narrative he feels he can exploit for views.

I've posted links to two videos I watched that took a more positive look at the 49er's draft and which I came away from feeling pretty good about the picks in terms of how the players fit into the team's plans. If these guys can live up to their potential I think some of them could end up being real contributors, but it doesn't appear that they have gotten much traction in here because people would rather just double down on their John Lynch doesn't know what he's doing argument then take a bit of time to look at something that helps put the picks into some kind of context.

Does that mean any of these picks will work out the way the team hopes, absolutely not. Does that mean there aren't legitimate questions to be asked about the team's approach to the draft, no. But there are stats out there that show Lynch's miss rate isn't much worse than a lot of other GMs in the league, just as there are some that show it's below average. As with everything else, people will point to the ones that confirm their own position.

I don't watch college football and don't care much about "consensus" picks because I don't know who any of the players are beyond the names of a few who end up getting mentioned a lot, so the difference between David Bailey at #2 and Romello Height at #70 doesn't mean all that much to me. I prefer to look at the draft in simpler terms. It's a good draft if they can find guys who end up making a positive impact on the team, no matter where they were picked in comparison to the consensus. It's a bad draft if they don't find some of those guys. Even by that metric, it's hard to deny the team has had some bad drafts in the last few years and the lack of any potential All Pros in the recent run of players is a little disturbing. But hope springs eternal, right. Maybe this year's class will buck the trend. Go Niners!

Best post in this forum since the draft. It's been a bummer to see some good posters fall into the media trap. But as info starts percolating out and guys like Cosell, who studies film extensively, lend their opinion, these picks start to make much more sense.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Sure Kaelons blocking ability is much more valuable than adding a talented lineman to the mix.

Foerster sucks as does Brendel and the fact that McKivitz is the only lineman hes developed in all this time speaks to the fact and McKivitz isn't exactly a world beater.

What miracle has Forester performed ever?

Assembled two Offensive Line squads that made it to the Superbowl with *your* so called nobodies on the OLine.

What are talking about? I never said anything about nobodies and he wasn't even the Offensive line coach here till 21.

How is you're response even remotely relevant to what you highlighted?

Clearly you have no examples of those "miracles" you claim he performed.

"It depends on whose consensus," Lynch said, via Kevin Borba of NBCSportsBayArea.com. "We've got consensus in this building. That's the consensus I care about."

Maybe he should take notes from the consensus because their last 4 drafts have been pathetic.

If they hit on a few of those wasted draft picks where they took a guy 3 rounds too high, a RB who never saw the field or a kicker in the 3rd we probably win one, maybe 2 SB's.

Our team has been decimated by injuries. So maybe some of those players who would build depth behind the guys we lost.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
G, you don't think Forester is desperate for talent? Take a listen to that phone call to Cruz again and listen very closely.

He just doesn't like first rounders. You try to give him a first round OLIneman, he's going to talk you out of it.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
What are talking about? I never said anything about nobodies and he wasn't even the Offensive line coach here till 21.

How is you're response even remotely relevant to what you highlighted?

Clearly you have no examples of those "miracles" you claim he performed.

If you didn't know Foerster joined the 49ers in 2019, what else don't you know?

Since Foerster, 64, joined the staff in 2019, the 49ers have had 26 picks among the draft's top 130.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/nfl-draft-offensive-line-22214990.php

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
What are talking about? I never said anything about nobodies and he wasn't even the Offensive line coach here till 21.

How is you're response even remotely relevant to what you highlighted?

Clearly you have no examples of those "miracles" you claim he performed.

If you didn't know Foerster joined the 49ers in 2019, what else don't you know?

Since Foerster, 64, joined the staff in 2019, the 49ers have had 26 picks among the draft's top 130.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/nfl-draft-offensive-line-22214990.php

Not as the OL coach, he didn't become the OL coach till 21.

He wasn't even the assistant OL coach in 19.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah; I didn't even say that Lynch in particular would get fired or what have you, I just said that I would expect to see some changes. Whether that is Lynch being fired; different role; Shanny having less say; less coach involvement or influence; whatever it is that they have been doing has not yielded good results on day 1 and 2 of the draft. There's no debating that.

The annual RB pick doesn't even deserve discussion with how bad that has been.

I would agree. Kyle needs to coach. Let the scouting department do the evaluations.

I'm pretty sure the 49ers rely a lot on their scouts but in the end the HC and GM make the final decisions based on what the scouts are telling them. It's that way with nearly every team except a few where the owner tries to be the GM. The HC and GM have way too many other things to do than watch all the film that the scouts do.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Word. That's all you can do at this stage. My life motto is to be optimistic until the situation warrants a change in attitude. No one knows how these draftees will develop, so people panning the draft are just giving themselves a harder time than they need to.