John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Damn, a day early on the posts telling posters they have no right to question the team because they aren't employed in football and know nothing.

I guess nobody should vote because they aren't politicians? We used to have a system like that btw. lol. By this logic the forums should be shut down and fans should just stfu?

I'll apply the same logic to you fearing the Baalke years. Maybe some of us want the Walsh and Seifert years back. See how that works?

You can have your opinion, just don't act like you know better and rant rave like how some people do. Bring the receipts, especially as they mention you cant assess until a couple years.

Also, your logic about Baalke and Walsh is not coherent. Why? Because Lynch did the same thing this year that Walsh did-or did you forget the year 1986.
Another thing I was also referencing about Baalke that you erred was that during those years, it was his way or the Highway- not a consensus of the scouts, coaches etc.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.

He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.

BUT you brought up " winning those SB had we had the better players " ... we are not going to win any SB because he and lynch continues to draft DUDS... we may get lucky here and there, for example, Mason was the best gem found lately and he traded him to Minnesota .. he signs a backup from Washington, drafted Isaac and Ground Jordan and he doesn't use them..

was a RB a need early in the 3rd this year, will this really help us get to the Super Bowl?

And your point is.....? My point simply is that this reach value draft stuff isn't very important. What is important is to get the player your coach wants - assuming, big assumption here - he's any good. Kyle is an elite coach in my opinion. He's gone to two super bowls, Bill Walsh is still an offensive coordinator at Kyle's current age. Bill Walsh never smelled a Superbowl the way Kyle did at 37. NO WAY am I saying Kyles better than Bill, No WAY! But what I am saying is that Kyle's earned my deference on his draft pics by his ability to coach 3rd and 4th stringers and beat the Eagles in last years Wild Card game (as an example of him regularly outcoaching other normal NFL coaches) day in and day out.

My opinion, but I think we lost the two Superbowl because of defense and bad drafting (3 first round picks for Trey Lance). But he's the main reason we got to two Superbowl's in the first place. Good news is that Kyle is still growing as a coach, and the ShanaLynch team is still improving their drafting year in and year out - in my opinion of course.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.

He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.

BUT you brought up " winning those SB had we had the better players " ... we are not going to win any SB because he and lynch continues to draft DUDS... we may get lucky here and there, for example, Mason was the best gem found lately and he traded him to Minnesota .. he signs a backup from Washington, drafted Isaac and Ground Jordan and he doesn't use them..

was a RB a need early in the 3rd this year, will this really help us get to the Super Bowl?

And your point is.....? My point simply is that this reach value draft stuff isn't very important. What is important is to get the player your coach wants - assuming, big assumption here - he's any good. Kyle is an elite coach in my opinion. He's gone to two super bowls, Bill Walsh is still an offensive coordinator at Kyle's current age. Bill Walsh never smelled a Superbowl the way Kyle did at 37. NO WAY am I saying Kyles better than Bill, No WAY! But what I am saying is that Kyle's earned my deference on his draft pics by his ability to coach 3rd and 4th stringers and beat the Eagles in last years Wild Card game (as an example of him regularly outcoaching other normal NFL coaches) day in and day out.

My opinion, but I think we lost the two Superbowl because of defense and bad drafting (3 first round picks for Trey Lance). But he's the main reason we got to two Superbowl's in the first place. Good news is that Kyle is still growing as a coach, and the ShanaLynch team is still improving their drafting year in and year out - in my opinion of course.

We lost three super bowls.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Some people here act like they know better. When all they are is no more than a Mel Kiper or Grant Cohn wanna be. Which means they know nothing.

I loved how Lynched shut down Cohn in the press conference.

One of the hardest thing is knowing how the players mental aspect is, what is between his head. None of us were in on the interviews with the players or their coaches. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program. GMs and some scouts may have the more genuine stories with those in the know/trust.

Unless the person was a successful Coach, player or scout your/their opinions are like a$$holes, everyone got one that's it. How many look at things through the 49ers perspective/scheme. The prognosticators think they know but they don't. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program.

Hey mistakes happen, but people forget how disjointed we were with Baalke. You want to rid of what we have cause you THINK you can do better than the current? Prove quit your day job and start as an scout.

Except Lynch didn't really shut Cohn down. He basically admitted the problem with the way the 49ers draft, and that's they don't have a clue how other teams value players, what their needs are, etc. So the rest of the league is playing Chess, and Lynch is playing Checkers...barely. Cohn is a clown, no doubt - but this one he actually got right, and was the only one with the guts to ask the question.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.

He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.

BUT you brought up " winning those SB had we had the better players " ... we are not going to win any SB because he and lynch continues to draft DUDS... we may get lucky here and there, for example, Mason was the best gem found lately and he traded him to Minnesota .. he signs a backup from Washington, drafted Isaac and Ground Jordan and he doesn't use them..

was a RB a need early in the 3rd this year, will this really help us get to the Super Bowl?

And your point is.....? My point simply is that this reach value draft stuff isn't very important. What is important is to get the player your coach wants - assuming, big assumption here - he's any good. Kyle is an elite coach in my opinion. He's gone to two super bowls, Bill Walsh is still an offensive coordinator at Kyle's current age. Bill Walsh never smelled a Superbowl the way Kyle did at 37. NO WAY am I saying Kyles better than Bill, No WAY! But what I am saying is that Kyle's earned my deference on his draft pics by his ability to coach 3rd and 4th stringers and beat the Eagles in last years Wild Card game (as an example of him regularly outcoaching other normal NFL coaches) day in and day out.

My opinion, but I think we lost the two Superbowl because of defense and bad drafting (3 first round picks for Trey Lance). But he's the main reason we got to two Superbowl's in the first place. Good news is that Kyle is still growing as a coach, and the ShanaLynch team is still improving their drafting year in and year out - in my opinion of course.

We lost three super bowls.

Under Kyle and Lynch its 2 SB. The other was Harbaugh and Baalke

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We lost three super bowls.

I have PSTD memory loss because of that first loss.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.

He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.

BUT you brought up " winning those SB had we had the better players " ... we are not going to win any SB because he and lynch continues to draft DUDS... we may get lucky here and there, for example, Mason was the best gem found lately and he traded him to Minnesota .. he signs a backup from Washington, drafted Isaac and Ground Jordan and he doesn't use them..

was a RB a need early in the 3rd this year, will this really help us get to the Super Bowl?

And your point is.....? My point simply is that this reach value draft stuff isn't very important. What is important is to get the player your coach wants - assuming, big assumption here - he's any good. Kyle is an elite coach in my opinion. He's gone to two super bowls, Bill Walsh is still an offensive coordinator at Kyle's current age. Bill Walsh never smelled a Superbowl the way Kyle did at 37. NO WAY am I saying Kyles better than Bill, No WAY! But what I am saying is that Kyle's earned my deference on his draft pics by his ability to coach 3rd and 4th stringers and beat the Eagles in last years Wild Card game (as an example of him regularly outcoaching other normal NFL coaches) day in and day out.

My opinion, but I think we lost the two Superbowl because of defense and bad drafting (3 first round picks for Trey Lance). But he's the main reason we got to two Superbowl's in the first place. Good news is that Kyle is still growing as a coach, and the ShanaLynch team is still improving their drafting year in and year out - in my opinion of course.

We lost three super bowls.

Under Kyle and Lynch its 2 SB. The other was Harbaugh and Baalke

I was just being a smart@$$

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We lost three super bowls.

I have PSTD memory loss because of that first loss.

Me too, from 5-0 to 5-3

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

He's actually 12th best across all GM's at finding value at his picks, but have to wonder how much of that could've been due to Adam Peters? Early 2024/2025 returns aren't as promising since he left pic.twitter.com/DgN4uaJZMd

— Retriever Analytics Lab (@RetrieverLytics) April 26, 2026

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

Or…hear me out…drafting is really hard and one step above gambling.

the draft experts on tv/social are hopelessly lost in the clouds.

the Niners do make mistakes (like all teams)

most fans operate on hindsight bias.

Also... 2024-2025 looks far better than 2021-2023.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
Except Lynch didn't really shut Cohn down. He basically admitted the problem with the way the 49ers draft, and that's they don't have a clue how other teams value players, what their needs are, etc. So the rest of the league is playing Chess, and Lynch is playing Checkers...barely. Cohn is a clown, no doubt - but this one he actually got right, and was the only one with the guts to ask the question.

I actually like the fact that he asked that question, because I suspected what Lynch said was the case, and it turns out to be true. It is true that they have their own way of valuing their players vs the rest of the NFL teams out there. I mean I can say the sky is blue, but will Cohn really believe me?

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Some people here act like they know better. When all they are is no more than a Mel Kiper or Grant Cohn wanna be. Which means they know nothing.

I loved how Lynched shut down Cohn in the press conference.

One of the hardest thing is knowing how the players mental aspect is, what is between his head. None of us were in on the interviews with the players or their coaches. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program. GMs and some scouts may have the more genuine stories with those in the know/trust.

Unless the person was a successful Coach, player or scout your/their opinions are like a$$holes, everyone got one that's it. How many look at things through the 49ers perspective/scheme. The prognosticators think they know but they don't. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program.

Hey mistakes happen, but people forget how disjointed we were with Baalke. You want to rid of what we have cause you THINK you can do better than the current? Prove quit your day job and start as an scout.

Except Lynch didn't really shut Cohn down. He basically admitted the problem with the way the 49ers draft, and that's they don't have a clue how other teams value players, what their needs are, etc. So the rest of the league is playing Chess, and Lynch is playing Checkers...barely. Cohn is a clown, no doubt - but this one he actually got right, and was the only one with the guts to ask the question.

The truth is in the middle: he disagreed with Cohn's criticism, even if he stated SF primarily cares about whether they think over what outsiders think.

Originally posted by captveg:
Also... 2024-2025 looks far better than 2021-2023.

I agree, and it's weird how Adam Peters leaving for Washington actually made the ShanaLynch drafts better.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I actually like the fact that he asked that question, because I suspected what Lynch said was the case, and it turns out to be true. It is true that they have their own way of valuing their players vs the rest of the NFL teams out there. I mean I can say the sky is blue, but will Cohn really believe me?

Every team trusts their own process over the process of the other teams or outside consensus, even if they appear more orthodox. Otherwise why have a staff at all?

I'd love for a GM to say "We fired all our scouts and stopped bothering with draft research because we just do what the guy on CBS Sports does in his mock draft."

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I actually like the fact that he asked that question, because I suspected what Lynch said was the case, and it turns out to be true. It is true that they have their own way of valuing their players vs the rest of the NFL teams out there. I mean I can say the sky is blue, but will Cohn really believe me?

Every team trusts their own process over the process of the other teams or outside consensus, even if they appear more orthodox.

Other teams mostly hover around .500 win/loss percentage. Most outside consensus propounding folks are average in skill otherwise they'd be working and being paid millions to help an NFL team.

.500 and consensus by definition means ---> Worst of the Best, and Best of the Worst.

The 49ers placed 5th over all in as far as metrics go for most athletic draft class AND most productive according to Lombardi

Originally posted by WildBill:

The 49ers placed 5th over all in as far as metrics go for most athletic draft class AND most productive according to Lombardi

Not most productive. Lombardi had that part scrolled down lol, hence the yellow dots instead of green.