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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I liked Jarrett Kingston, and he was quickly poached once ShanaLynch put him on the practice squad. Keeping him would have put our 2024 draft on a better footing, in my opinion. I agree that we might have an overload of talent on the offensive line, but that's a good problem to have, and not a bad one. We translated an overabundance of Linebacker talent into a 5th round pick that translated into a younger, bigger, faster KJ Wright (Jaden Duggar) by trading Dee Winters. Hopefully, maybe, if ShanaLych gets into a Jarrett Kingston rookie OLineman situation, they would opt for a trade (or cutting a veteran free agent) instead of putting the rookie on the practice squad.

Toth is an interesting prospect, I look forward to seeing how he blends in with the current OLine squad that we have. Between him being a depth piece versus a talented rookie - I'd rather keep a rookie OLineman though.

Something about Duggar just stands out to me. I think he's going to be an absolute stud after a year or so. He's a perfect fit for Morris's scheme, IMO.

yeah, it's a good problem to have but still a problem. Kyle usually rolls with experience. He might not let the young guys play in the pre season. Hahaha so teams can't see how they look. We'll probably keep 10 o line.

it'll be interesting if keep a 3rd qb on the active roster

I really like all our 2026 draft picks. I think - if all things go right with this draft class - it could be the best draft class in Kyle's career. After Adam Peters left, I think they changed a lot of what they did in the draft evaluation process. Just my opinion, but when he left, I think the 49ers started drafting better.

Usually problems have one or more solutions - hopefully one of those solutions results in more draft picks. But to your point, I think Kyle's going to go with what his position coaches say to him. I think he trusts Foerster enough to allow a rookies to play (Conner Colby) and same with KJ Wright regarding Duggar if he can beat out Greenlaw (god forbid if Greenlaw gets dinged too). 49ers played a lot of rookies and 2nd year players last year, sometimes by choice, sometimes forced by injuries. We'll see what happens, but I'm jazzed by the fact that they are one year (or more) ahead in the franchise rebuild/reload process.

I hope so. Seems like they're less focused on "Draft Value" and keen on "get the guy we want right now cause he might be gone soon". Which TBH, I agree with to an extent. You have to factor in that there are 31 other teams draft boards, different schemes, different needs, different drafting strategies across the league. it's impossible to guess whos' going where.

I firmly believe in taking a guy that you love, and believes fits exactly what you're looking for, over "draft value". but within reason. You don't take a 5th rounder in the first, kind of thing.

This year, the team really seemed be like "eff it" and pushed that. lol either that or their board drastically varied from most peoples outside of the org.

overall, I hope it works out. would be wonderful to have 3 straight drafts where we get a lot out of them. We don't have a ton of "needs" right now but addressed some important ones, while building for the future.

I'm very intrigued by the huge corner and Dugger. those two seems like they could be a huge part of this defense, especially with how large they are, over the next 2 years. they just need some coaching up.
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Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.


He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.
[ Edited by Giedi on Apr 26, 2026 at 4:23 PM ]
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
ShanaLynch RB draftees
2017 Joe Williams, round 4, pick 121
2018 No RBs
2019 (wideback) Deebo Samuel, round 2, pick 36
2020 No RBs (5 picks total)
2021 Trey Sermon, round 3, pick 88; Elija Mitchell round 6, pick 194
2022 Tyrion Davis-Price, round 3, pick 93
2023 No RBs
2024 Isaac Guerendo, round 4, pick 129
2025 Jordan James, round 5, pick 147
2026 Kaelon Black, round 3, pick 90

They gave up a bunch of 2023 picks for CMC. They also pick swapped a 2018 4th for a 2017 5th + Kapri Bibbs.
[ Edited by Typecast on Apr 26, 2026 at 4:21 PM ]
Originally posted by Typecast:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
ShanaLynch RB draftees
2017 Joe Williams, round 4, pick 121
2018 No RBs
2019 (wideback) Deebo Samuel, round 2, pick 36
2020 No RBs (5 picks total)
2021 Trey Sermon, round 3, pick 88; Elija Mitchell round 6, pick 194
2022 Tyrion Davis-Price, round 3, pick 93
2023 No RBs
2024 Isaac Guerendo, round 4, pick 129
2025 Jordan James, round 5, pick 147
2026 Kaelon Black, round 3, pick 90

They gave up a bunch of 2023 picks for CMC. They also pick swapped a 2018 4th for a 2017 5th + Kapri Bibbs.

Gave up a pick for Brian Robinson last season. Also gave up more picks in trade-ups for multiple guys in the list. It's crazy
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Originally posted by tankle104:
I hope so. Seems like they're less focused on "Draft Value" and keen on "get the guy we want right now cause he might be gone soon". Which TBH, I agree with to an extent. You have to factor in that there are 31 other teams draft boards, different schemes, different needs, different drafting strategies across the league. it's impossible to guess whos' going where.

I firmly believe in taking a guy that you love, and believes fits exactly what you're looking for, over "draft value". but within reason. You don't take a 5th rounder in the first, kind of thing.

This year, the team really seemed be like "eff it" and pushed that. lol either that or their board drastically varied from most peoples outside of the org.

overall, I hope it works out. would be wonderful to have 3 straight drafts where we get a lot out of them. We don't have a ton of "needs" right now but addressed some important ones, while building for the future.

I'm very intrigued by the huge corner and Dugger. those two seems like they could be a huge part of this defense, especially with how large they are, over the next 2 years. they just need some coaching up.

I would if it's Brock Purdy or Tom Brady.

But I do think ShanaLynch does pay attention to draft value and reach (to a certain extent) but it's not the overwhelming thing they focus on. They really focus on getting their guy first and foremost. This draft class was a strange one because it wasn't a very strong draft class. I think folks are getting confused about draft pick position vs draft class strength. They also aren't taking into account the teams that gunning for the same players, that operate the same schemes and philosophies and are coaching disciples of Kyle.

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs
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Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

Or…hear me out…drafting is really hard and one step above gambling.

the draft experts on tv/social are hopelessly lost in the clouds.

the Niners do make mistakes (like all teams)

most fans operate on hindsight bias.
Some people here act like they know better. When all they are is no more than a Mel Kiper or Grant Cohn wanna be. Which means they know nothing.

I loved how Lynched shut down Cohn in the press conference.

One of the hardest thing is knowing how the players mental aspect is, what is between his head. None of us were in on the interviews with the players or their coaches. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program. GMs and some scouts may have the more genuine stories with those in the know/trust.

Unless the person was a successful Coach, player or scout your/their opinions are like a$$holes, everyone got one that's it. How many look at things through the 49ers perspective/scheme. The prognosticators think they know but they don't. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program.

Hey mistakes happen, but people forget how disjointed we were with Baalke. You want to rid of what we have cause you THINK you can do better than the current? Prove quit your day job and start as an scout.
Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

He's the 9th longest tenured GM and two longer than him are owners. So yah it's very likely he is.

What I think we all see is it could be better if the personnel guys were making all the calls and Kyle stuck to being an elite HC.
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

Or…hear me out…drafting is really hard and one step above gambling.

the draft experts on tv/social are hopelessly lost in the clouds.

the Niners do make mistakes (like all teams)

most fans operate on hindsight bias.

The conversation around it all has been absurd. People are already trashing this draft as though they have any idea how it will turn out. These Warren Sharp tweets are based on absolute b******t. I suppose Rams fans should be up in arms too since they are the second most prone to deviating from consensus. Call up Seattle fans too and tell them to stop celebrating the Super Bowl, they're not far behind.
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

Or…hear me out…drafting is really hard and one step above gambling.

the draft experts on tv/social are hopelessly lost in the clouds.

the Niners do make mistakes (like all teams)

most fans operate on hindsight bias.

That is the most stupidest analytics. Look at the teams up at the top-they draft in the top of the class, but look where they are in the standings.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 9moon:
YOU may be right, and I hope that you are.. bottom line is that Shanny needs to learn how to use the players he drafted instead of shelving them for weeks, then for a season or two, and forget that HE the players existed...

he keeps using excuses tha this guy or that guy has yet to learn his blocking scheme, or he needs to be a fine blocker.. hell, HE was the one who chose them, why did he not know that prior?

He wasted Ground Jordan's rookie season for whatever reason last year, then he comes back this year drafting another RB in the 3rd round..

NineMooney! Don't forget Lawrence Phillips missing his assignment to pick up a blitz and Aeneas Williams blindsided Steve Young and well that was it for Steve Young for the rest of his life. I also remember some TE in some NFC championship game missing another block and pretty much ending the season of the 262nd pick in the draft that year. I think Kyle had concerns that Jordan wasn't picking up his assignments and you don't want to take chances with that with the health of your franchise QB. RB is a position where if they screw up it could be the end of the season if Purdy goes down the way Steve did on September 27, 1999.

Other than RB, Kyle's had rookies play (Conner Colby, Mykel Williams, Alfred Collins, Nick Martin, Upton Stout, CJ West, Marques Sigel).

can you also name the RBs he's drafted since he's first year and how they were all placed on the Shanny Shelf? Was it they couldn't block or they could not run the ball?

as for the late L. Phillips, if you have to rely on his IQ to save the day, then that's on you.


He may have drafted some RB duds, but he did get some Undrafted Gems. You play the better player - it doesn't matter where the player is drafted. Do you want to play Trey Lance at QB vs Brock Purdy?

Some RB gems that Kyle has gotten in free agency - Brieda, Mostert, Wilson.

Too many people are focusing on 1/3rd of the talent acquisition process, there are the other 2/3rds part. Free agency and Trades.

BUT you brought up " winning those SB had we had the better players " ... we are not going to win any SB because he and lynch continues to draft DUDS... we may get lucky here and there, for example, Mason was the best gem found lately and he traded him to Minnesota .. he signs a backup from Washington, drafted Isaac and Ground Jordan and he doesn't use them..

was a RB a need early in the 3rd this year, will this really help us get to the Super Bowl?
Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

lol when are fans going to realize that most GMs are. Most teams complete drafts are total busts.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Some people here act like they know better. When all they are is no more than a Mel Kiper or Grant Cohn wanna be. Which means they know nothing.

I loved how Lynched shut down Cohn in the press conference.

One of the hardest thing is knowing how the players mental aspect is, what is between his head. None of us were in on the interviews with the players or their coaches. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program. GMs and some scouts may have the more genuine stories with those in the know/trust.

Unless the person was a successful Coach, player or scout your/their opinions are like a$$holes, everyone got one that's it. How many look at things through the 49ers perspective/scheme. The prognosticators think they know but they don't. You think they get the whole story from them? They don't, they are trying to sell their program.

Hey mistakes happen, but people forget how disjointed we were with Baalke. You want to rid of what we have cause you THINK you can do better than the current? Prove quit your day job and start as a scout.

Damn, a day early on the posts telling posters they have no right to question the team because they aren't employed in football and know nothing.

I guess nobody should vote because they aren't politicians? We used to have a system like that btw. lol. By this logic the forums should be shut down and fans should just stfu?

I'll apply the same logic to you fearing the Baalke years. Maybe some of us want the Walsh and Seifert years back. See how that works?
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by frenchmov:

If Lynch is 12th at drafting then this league has horrendous GMs

lol when are fans going to realize that most GMs are. Most teams complete drafts are total busts.

COULD NOT disagree.. however, you gots to a least try and find players that fill the void... that's how you should draft..
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