John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Does Garrett fit cap wise?

Yes

Thanks

Then try to get her done and draft O-line and Safety rounds 2 to 7

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Does Garrett fit cap wise?

Short-term. Long-term will need some work.

Thanks

Team him up with Bosa and then try to move Bosa or let the contract expire. I like Nick but being on the mend too often kills the team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

lol no s**t teams are comprised of mostly their draft picks. I'm just pointing out the painful reality that we aren't good at drafting in the first round. So if we get the reigning DOPY and the single single sack record holder for 3 1sts it's a win.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

lol no s**t teams are comprised of mostly their draft picks. I'm just pointing out the painful reality that we aren't good at drafting in the first round. So if we get the reigning DOPY and the single single sack record holder for 3 1sts it's a win.

Garrett is a first ballot HOFer and the next 3 seasons he will play like it guaranteed and that alone is worth the next three season's 1st round pick overall. If we could get Garrett we would be easily a top 5 Super Bowl favorite the next 3 seasons

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

i mean that's because when teams get franchise level superstars they rarely hit the market

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

lol no s**t teams are comprised of mostly their draft picks. I'm just pointing out the painful reality that we aren't good at drafting in the first round. So if we get the reigning DOPY and the single single sack record holder for 3 1sts it's a win.

LOL so your solution is to just give up on the draft process and try to "buy" a SB by continually bringing in older expensive vets. Good plan......NOT.
I mean it occasionally has worked ( Rams a few years ago ) but the odds of winning that way are not very high and they still had a good young core.

If your whole point was that you are not happy with the way the Niners draft in the first round, then maybe we do need to fix that problem, but not by throwing away our draft picks on old players, even if they are still playing great. We have to build primarily through the draft....we can't do that by trading away three 1st rounders AGAIN. That just sets us up for more bad years in the future. At least with Lance we were not also paying huge dollars on a contract.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

Players the team drafted or just players that were drafted? Lol cause I highly highly highly doubt that 75%, or 80% are players a team drafts.

45-49% of our current roster are players WE drafted. Seattles Super Bowl winning team was 35-40% players they actually drafted.

So it isn't about having players we drafted, just players that were drafted. That seems like a pretty worthless stat

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Lynch, GO GET MYLES GARRETT. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS RUSHER IN THE DRAFT. WHO'S BETTER THAN HIM THAT YOU CAN PICK?YOU GAVE UP A TON OF PIX FOR TREY. YOU CAN BE MORE CONFIDENT THIS TIME

Lynch, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT TRADE AWAY OUR FUTURE FOR A 30 YEAR OLD VERY EXPENSIVE PLAYER!!!

Do you feel as though Mykel Williams, Ricky Pearsall and say Omar Cooper are our future?

Do you feel that the vast majority of Superbowl winning teams do not primarily build through the draft?

Per a quick search on Google:
"Most Super Bowl-winning teams are primarily built through the draft, with roughly 75% to 80% of their rosters typically composed of drafted players"

I'm all for bringing in a few vets when our team is really really good and they can help push us to a SB win. We are likely not that team yet. We need to draft better to be that team. We need to get younger, not older. As to your specific question.....yes, I believe that Williams and Pearsall may be solid players in our future, but it's too early to tell. I think they have both flashed enough to be excited that they can develop into what we need at those positions.

lol no s**t teams are comprised of mostly their draft picks. I'm just pointing out the painful reality that we aren't good at drafting in the first round. So if we get the reigning DOPY and the single single sack record holder for 3 1sts it's a win.

LOL so your solution is to just give up on the draft process and try to "buy" a SB by continually bringing in older expensive vets. Good plan......NOT.
I mean it occasionally has worked ( Rams a few years ago ) but the odds of winning that way are not very high and they still had a good young core.

If your whole point was that you are not happy with the way the Niners draft in the first round, then maybe we do need to fix that problem, but not by throwing away our draft picks on old players, even if they are still playing great. We have to build primarily through the draft....we can't do that by trading away three 1st rounders AGAIN. That just sets us up for more bad years in the future. At least with Lance we were not also paying huge dollars on a contract.

You think wasting 3 1st rounds on Lance would be better than getting Garrett cause of the contract? We got nothing out of Lance. With Garrett we would have the greatest pass rusher to ever put pads on for 3 1sts.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Does Garrett fit cap wise?

Yes

Thanks

Then try to get her done and draft O-line and Safety rounds 2 to 7

The reworking of his salary will test even Marathe. I've seen a couple of guys break it down and the cap numbers in 2027 and 2028 are just crazy.

The draft capital for a team with as many older player as we have right now is chilling. I would love to have him but I can't justify the cost.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Does Garrett fit cap wise?

Yes

Thanks

Then try to get her done and draft O-line and Safety rounds 2 to 7

The reworking of his salary will test even Marathe. I've seen a couple of guys break it down and the cap numbers in 2027 and 2028 are just crazy.

The draft capital for a team with as many older player as we have right now is chilling. I would love to have him but I can't justify the cost.

Were they including the prorated signing bonus? Cause without that, since the Browns would have to eat it, his 2027 cap number would be $16,056,775, and 2028 would be $21.383M, his 2029 and 2030 cap hits would be crazy though, $57.993M for both years, his 2026 number would be just $8.14M, only issue I see is by the time his deal is over he'll be nearly 36 leaving $16,434,225 in dead money from his option bonuses that the 49ers or anyone who acquired him would take on from 2026-2028, and I'd have to imagine he'd cost 3 1st's especially if the Raiders were gonna be able to get 2 1sts for Crosby.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
You think wasting 3 1st rounds on Lance would be better than getting Garrett cause of the contract? We got nothing out of Lance. With Garrett we would have the greatest pass rusher to ever put pads on for 3 1sts.

Nope, I never said that, but then you seem to struggle with basic comprehension at times. Nice try though.

We wasted 3 picks on Lance, he gave us almost nothing. Agreed, trading another 3 picks for Garrett would give us way more production ( provided he isn't injured ), but the additional cost of that would be a massive contract whereas we didn't have that extra burden with Lance. That massive contract would dramatically beef up out pass rush, that massive contract would also cause big issues to our Cap in the near future, resulting in very little depth and setting us up for some very bad years until we dug out and then focus on getting cheaper and younger.

Would it be exciting to get Garrett...ABSOLUITLY, I'm not saying it wouldn't. But to me that move means we are all in for the SB this year...if we won it then it might be worth it even if we have a few horrible years afterwards. But if we don't win it....we're screwed. Continuing to add old expensive vets is not the way to go imho. I guess I'm just not seeing this team as ready for a move like this yet. I mean, our O-Line won't play better because we have a better pass rush. Free agency addressed some issues but mostly just for the short term. I want young talented draft picks to build up to a contender......trading away 3 first round picks isn't going to do that.

There are very few players who could justify a potential trade of this magnitude. Myles Garrett is on that list.

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
There are very few players who could justify a potential trade of this magnitude. Myles Garrett is on that list.

agreed. the problem is the offensive line and secondary would still be suspect.

Garrett isn't happening. No clue why it's even being brought up. We went through this dance last year. If there was a time for him to get traded, it would've been last year.