John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

It was clearly a long shot since he hadn't played much. They were hoping his athleticism would be enough to carry him while he learned but it wasn't. That early injury certainly didn't help but it looks like he wasn't ever going to be a good starter. Maybe it turned out okay since we probably wouldn't have drafted Purdy if Lance had been even marginally good.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Nah the trade was absolutely stupid,thats the kind of trade you make when you believe the guy is a can't miss and none of those guys fit in that category and then they doubled down on stupidity and took an inexperienced project.

Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

They traded all those resources for a guy with just one full year starting in a college subdivision football program. Should have cost someone their job.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Ignore this troll. He's been MIA and had nothing good to say about our off season . This is his first post in weeks.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

It was clearly a long shot since he hadn't played much. They were hoping his athleticism would be enough to carry him while he learned but it wasn't. That early injury certainly didn't help but it looks like he wasn't ever going to be a good starter. Maybe it turned out okay since we probably wouldn't have drafted Purdy if Lance had been even marginally good.

Solomon Thomas at #3 overall was also a long shot, passing up on Mahomes (which we could say led to the need for T. Lance) makes that pick look silly.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

They traded all those resources for a guy with just one full year starting in a college subdivision football program. Should have cost someone their job.

Kyle ultimately made the decision but I think he was greatly influenced by the powers that be.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Ignore this troll. He's been MIA and had nothing good to say about our off season . This is his first post in weeks.

Not true, just the other day called all their players scrubs

Originally posted by Fasteddy:
Yes, the mistake was trading up. They should've taken whatever QB fell to them. In the end, the only QB who panned out from that draft was Lawrence, and I think he's overrated.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

They traded all those resources for a guy with just one full year starting in a college subdivision football program. Should have cost someone their job.

Kyle ultimately made the decision but I think he was greatly influenced by the powers that be.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Is he going to sign Brother Bear or nah

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Fasteddy:
Yes, the mistake was trading up. They should've taken whatever QB fell to them. In the end, the only QB who panned out from that draft was Lawrence, and I think he's overrated.

We will see about Mac's future.

But I am with you on Lawrence. He isn't terrible yet I have just never been into him.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

They traded all those resources for a guy with just one full year starting in a college subdivision football program. Should have cost someone their job.

Kyle ultimately made the decision but I think he was greatly influenced by the powers that be.

However it came down we all agree it was a mistake. I'm sure even Lynch regrets it. It happened 5 years ago so it's over and done. We can't change it.