John Lynch - 49ers GM

I'm really surprised Jennings and Burford aren't signed. I knew Burford was a mediocre player but recently OL has been way over paid for, same thing for WR. It's almost like teams are making corrections to over paying mediocre talent. Lol

i love Jennings but I don't think he should be paid like a star.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Nah the trade was absolutely stupid,thats the kind of trade you make when you believe the guy is a can't miss and none of those guys fit in that category and then they doubled down on stupidity and took an inexperienced project.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Nah the trade was absolutely stupid,thats the kind of trade you make when you believe the guy is a can't miss and none of those guys fit in that category and then they doubled down on stupidity and took an inexperienced project.

Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Anyone says Lynch isn't aggressive or never does anything can all f**k right off. Just because some of the free agency moves or draft picks haven't worked out isn't totally his fault.

Trading 3 first to move up for a qb should've killed those talks

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a QB is aggressive.

Trading 3 firsts to move up for a high school QB is plainly stupid.

Its only "stupid" if it doesnt work.

Hindsight bias isn't brilliance.

Nah the trade was absolutely stupid,thats the kind of trade you make when you believe the guy is a can't miss and none of those guys fit in that category and then they doubled down on stupidity and took an inexperienced project.

Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

Lol. Remember how the whole world thought we were gonna take Mac Jones which caused an online riot among us? I remember the chants "anyone but Mac Jones". Lol, classic

Matt Miller has been a diehard John Lynch hater since January 29, 2017 lmao

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

This team was in win-now mode, competing for a chip. and they thought a guy who's thrown 300 passes in his life, against the lowest tier competition, was going to magically become a super bowl capable winning qb. lol the right choice was mac, just not the sexy choice - for the situation we were in and what we needed at the time.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

It was clearly a long shot since he hadn't played much. They were hoping his athleticism would be enough to carry him while he learned but it wasn't. That early injury certainly didn't help but it looks like he wasn't ever going to be a good starter. Maybe it turned out okay since we probably wouldn't have drafted Purdy if Lance had been even marginally good.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

It was clearly a long shot since he hadn't played much. They were hoping his athleticism would be enough to carry him while he learned but it wasn't. That early injury certainly didn't help but it looks like he wasn't ever going to be a good starter. Maybe it turned out okay since we probably woudnt have drafted Purdy if Lance had been even marginally good.

Yeah, ultimately it all worked out. I love having Brock.

I'm just saying that the decision they made to trade a fortune and draft one of the rawest rookies of all time - wasn't a good move. I still can't figure it out. None of the tape, anything, showed that he could compete at this level. I've never understood any of the logic behind it - I wasn't crazy about Mac, didn't really want him, but he was the right selection at the time. that was common knowledge then and it's proven to be the same thing.

We most likely get tired of Mac though too cause he seems limited - similar to a Jimmy G.

just a really bad decision by the front office, shockingly bad, but it's all good. worked out, but 99% of the time - the HC/GM gets fired over a major miss like this. lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Under normal circumstances I would completely agree but the Niners were in a weird position. They wanyed toget a young athletic QB to eventully replace JG but because of injuries Lance was forced to play before he was really ready. He was a classic example of a QB that would need a year or two to develop. The Niners were also thinking that they don't get the opportunity to pick that high very often and those draft picks they traded away would likely be end of round picks.

We all know that the whole thing backfired. It ended up being one of the worst trades they ever made but the reasons behind it were sound. Remember Lawrence was the only QB considered a sure fire thing and even he's struggled. Lance, Wilson and Fields were all picked in the top 12 and none of them were successful. Just a bad QB draft. It's done and it can't be changed. Time to move on and hope this year turns out better.

that isn't exactly what happened. JG was the starter and Kyle was sprinklin in Trey to get him experience - which he got hurt but it wasn't going well regardless. Then in the second year, they were forced to start Trey (which Kyle clearly didn't want to and a lot of the players knew the offense wasn't doing well with him). then he got hurt again.

Then Kyle & John's ass was saved because they took a flier on a 7th round no body who balled out.

Idk why or how anyone thought Lance would be anywhere near ready in a "year or two". lol it's been 6 or so years and he can barely crack second/third string.

I agree that it was god awful selection. I hated it at the time, and still hate it. I have no problem with the team takign a big swing on a top prospect but Lance was never that. never should of been considered a first round pick. I said all this at the time. He seems like a really good dude and I'm happy for him as a person, but was a terrible football player selection.

It was clearly a long shot since he hadn't played much. They were hoping his athleticism would be enough to carry him while he learned but it wasn't. That early injury certainly didn't help but it looks like he wasn't ever going to be a good starter. Maybe it turned out okay since we probably woudnt have drafted Purdy if Lance had been even marginally good.

Yeah, ultimately it all worked out. I love having Brock.

I'm just saying that the decision they made to trade a fortune and draft one of the rawest rookies of all time - wasn't a good move. I still can't figure it out. None of the tape, anything, showed that he could compete at this level. I've never understood any of the logic behind it - I wasn't crazy about Mac, didn't really want him, but he was the right selection at the time. that was common knowledge then and it's proven to be the same thing.

We most likely get tired of Mac though too cause he seems limited - similar to a Jimmy G.

just a really bad decision by the front office, shockingly bad, but it's all good. worked out, but 99% of the time - the HC/GM gets fired over a major miss like this. lol

His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

Terms are in for Mike Evans, got a $12M signing bonus, $12.05M option bonus in 2027, $10.95M option bonus in 2028, $1.3M, $1.5M & $1.7M base salaries, $850K per game roster bonuses & $100K workout bonuses, $16.3M GTD, $14.3M of it fully GTD, $4.25M, $7.31M, & $9.7M cap numbers, $20.79M dead money hit in 2029.

Terms for Jake Tonges are in, got a $2.615M signing bonus, $2.2M option bonus in 2027, $340K per game roster bonuses, $50K workout bonuses, $1.145M & $1.26M base salaries, $5.45M fully GTD, $2.058M & $2.613M cap numbers, $3.329M dead money hit in 2028.

Terms for Brett Toth are in, got a $1M signing bonus, a $1.215M base salary, a combination of $285M in per game roster bonus & workout bonus, not 100% sure what they are, likely $235K per game roster bonus & $50K workout bonus or $260K per game & $25K workout bonus, $2.5M cap number, no future dead money as of now.

Have the 49ers, before deals for Dre, Hobbs, Gifford, Waitman & Kirk are known, $42.078M under the cap, much more than I expected right now, but the 49ers did have some players' cap numbers go down due to injuries resulting in signing bonus proration adjustments, most notable Kittle, & Brock.

For 2027 they'd be about $14.159M over with 33 players signed, but that includes Aiyuk still, which saves the team $20M with a post June 1 move, putting them about $5M under next year before any carryover, but doesn't include Gifford's deal, I'm suspecting that only Dre's contract might have void years, I doubt Hobbs, Kirk, or Waitman got them, maybe Gifford, but that's such a low deal that it shouldn't.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
His numbers looked great at NDSU but they were skewed like all numbers tha tyear because of Covid. Lots of players sat out. Schedules were changed. It's probably why all the QBs selected that year failed except Lawrence. Just their luck that the year they wanted a QB and had the chance to actually trade up it was a terrible draft. Back when they had the #1 overall pick they took Alex Smith instead of Rodgers. It wasn't a great QB draft then either. Another mistake but at least they didn't give up a lot of draft capital.

yeah, this gets into a deeper context. It's been discussed at length. Things like:
- NDSU won several chips before him, with him, and after him. That offense doesn't depend on a QB leading it.
- Run first offense where everyone he threw to was wide open.
- His runs were wide open and against low competition.
- never was in a 2 minute drill. I think only 1 close game overall.
- etc etc

My issue is you can't evaluate a qb and get an understanding of what they are when they haven't faced adversity, made throws against tight coverage, lead the team etc. That's what I knock kyle and john for - they took a guy blindly because none of his tape gave them any idea about how he would perform against NFL teams. We only knew how he would play against FCS random dudes that couldn't make D1 (not all but 99%). you don't use a fortune on a guy like that, IMO.

I support and love having Kyle/John. As a whole, I think theyve done an awesome job. not perfect but no one is. I'm just isolating this one situation, albeit a major situation, and critiquing it.

Obviously they learned something from that mistake. They went from drafting a QB with minimal experience to one that was a 4 year starter.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, ultimately it all worked out. I love having Brock.

I'm just saying that the decision they made to trade a fortune and draft one of the rawest rookies of all time - wasn't a good move. I still can't figure it out. None of the tape, anything, showed that he could compete at this level. I've never understood any of the logic behind it - I wasn't crazy about Mac, didn't really want him, but he was the right selection at the time. that was common knowledge then and it's proven to be the same thing.

We most likely get tired of Mac though too cause he seems limited - similar to a Jimmy G.

just a really bad decision by the front office, shockingly bad, but it's all good. worked out, but 99% of the time - the HC/GM gets fired over a major miss like this. lol

Brock would've beat Mac out too. Wouldve been in same position.

If you are trading 3 first round picks you were going for the home run. Picking Mac at 3 is a bunt. Wouldve been insane to do that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Brock would've beat Mac out too. Wouldve been in same position.

If you are trading 3 first round picks you were going for the home run. Picking Mac at 3 is a bunt. Wouldve been insane to do that.

I agree there. At the time I was happy they went for the home run even if it was for a very raw prospect.

But my god, not only did they swing and miss, the miss was historically horrendous, like...trying to hit a homerun and swinging on a ball that was thrown nowhere the plate, like the ball went to the dugout and they still struck out.