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miked1978
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Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wonder how many fans on this website ever go back and make lists like this foor all the othere teams in the league. I'm sure they would look similar. Like I posted above, why aren't all those teams that are bad every season and getting higher draft picks than the Niners winning.
Everyone with half a brain knows that the draft is a crapshoot. Unless you pick first overall you have to hope the player you want is available when your turn comes up. Then you have to hope he stays healthy and ends up being a good fit for your team. Sometimes it all falls your way and you look like a genius. When it doesn't then everyone says you suck. That's the life of a GM.
I could care less about what other teams do. Again, loser mentality.
I care what our team does and the simple fact is they have made some absolute boneheaded moves.
Taking Solomon Thomas at 1.3 instead of a QB when we didn't have a QB
Trading Buckner and replacing him with Kinlaw
Choosing Garappolo over Brady and Stafford
Trading 3- 1sts for Trey Lance.
Extending Aiuyk instead of taking the Pitt trade of a player and a 2nd
So ya, look around the league and I guarantee you will not find another front office that has made 5 boneheaded moves like that. One or two is enough to get a regime fired.
and yet we are 10-4 and most of us are enjoying the ride. Unlike you.
There are holes in each of your takes and some are just hindsight 20/20 stuff. The only true boneheaded move was the trade up for Trey Lance.
LOL at being this miserable after each win. LOL
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captveg
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Originally posted by miked1978:
The only true boneheaded move was the trade up for Trey Lance.
Even that is debatable. They wanted a QB due to Jimmy G's frequent injuries in 2018 and 2020. The draft had multiple compelling prospects. Lance was a classic high risk/high reward guy. They swung and missed.
Even with it not working out one can see the logic behind it. Logical moves fail all the time, because there are multiple ways to logically attempt to improve the roster and none of them are flawless. When you take a bigger risk and it doesn't work out the bust side of boom/bust is rather apparent. What allowed them to move on quickly with minimal relative fallout? They also kept building the roster behind the Lance pick and made low risk moves. And every once in a while a low risk move ends up providing a high reward. It's a big part luck, but it's also what happens when you continually look at improving the roster through multiple avenues, from high and low draft picks, to free agents, to trades, etc.
So, yeah, even the Lance pick I can understand. Only a good HC/GM combo could survive that blowing up on them. At least, that's the glass half full way of looking at it.
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Fanaticofnfl
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I've never seen a fanbase so angry at a 10-4 record with a 99% chance to make the playoffs while missing two defensive HOFers lmao.
It's almost like these usual suspects aren't actually fans…
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LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
The team should be adept enough at scouting to draft a guy who will turn into the first true #1 WR we've had since TO b***hed his way out.
You dont consider Aiyuk one? I get that he is gone but I considered him a #1. I ask because T.O. is like the 2nd greatest receiver ever lol. Who would you consider a number 1 receiver that IS NOT going to the Hall of Fame?
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LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wonder how many fans on this website ever go back and make lists like this foor all the othere teams in the league. I'm sure they would look similar. Like I posted above, why aren't all those teams that are bad every season and getting higher draft picks than the Niners winning.
Everyone with half a brain knows that the draft is a crapshoot. Unless you pick first overall you have to hope the player you want is available when your turn comes up. Then you have to hope he stays healthy and ends up being a good fit for your team. Sometimes it all falls your way and you look like a genius. When it doesn't then everyone says you suck. That's the life of a GM.
I could care less about what other teams do. Again, loser mentality.
I care what our team does and the simple fact is they have made some absolute boneheaded moves.
Taking Solomon Thomas at 1.3 instead of a QB when we didn't have a QB
Trading Buckner and replacing him with Kinlaw
Choosing Garappolo over Brady and Stafford
Trading 3- 1sts for Trey Lance.
Extending Aiuyk instead of taking the Pitt trade of a player and a 2nd
So ya, look around the league and I guarantee you will not find another front office that has made 5 boneheaded moves like that. One or two is enough to get a regime fired.
It's called having perspective and awareness.
And since you cant find another team that has made those "boneheafed" moves, why is it thst the 49ers have been a top 5 team in the ShanaLynch tenure? Why aren't the 49ers being outperformed by 31 other teams? And why do you think they have been able to survive? Do you compare team records? Playoff win percentage? Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers drafted? Comp picks earned due to players we developed getting big contracts elsewhere.
I saw Justin Skule was the starting left tackle for the Vikings last night. I get they have injuries hut the fact is he is on their roster playing important snaps. So do you look at all those factors or just get tunnel vision with the blunders while totally ignoring the rest of the league?
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49ers81
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Every team makes mistakes in the draft, for people to argue that it "only matters what the 49ers do" are clearly lacking any kind of rational perspective on what actually goes on in NFL front offices around the league and are making their arguments without the proper context and relying heavily on the benefit of hindsight. In other words, taking a lazy and disingenuous approach to making their case.
Looking in the rearview mirror, it's pretty easy to see why they made some of the choices they did. In their first draft, they were determined to start by rebuilding the front seven of the defense and had a plan in place to get the QB they wanted. Obviously, that didn't work out the way the intended, but they did end up with a potential HOF TE.
Kinlaw seemed like a bad choice at the time with Tristan Wirfs still on the board but, again, Lynch and Shanahan have always stated their preference for building up the defensive front ahead of prioritizing offensive linemen, so what are you going to do.
The whole 2021 QB class ended up being pretty much of a bust. Though, at the time, people were saying it might be a really good one. Five years into his career Lawrence is only now starting to figure out how to actually play at the NFL level. Fields can't read defenses, Wilson was too immature, and Lance simply wasn't ready to compete at this level. Will he ever get there? Hard to say, but I suspect his time to prove it is running out. Of all of them, only Jones came out looking like a guy who could actually play in the big leagues, but then he hit a rough patch until he finally rebounded this year with the 49ers where he proved he could probably be a decent starter in the right system, and a great back-up.
I suspect every fan in the league would like to see their team hit on a higher percentage of its draft picks, but even in the age of advanced metrics the draft has proven to be as big a crapshoot as it ever was. Even as far back as the days when it has been reported that teams would just subscribe to all of the college draft guides of the day, like Athlon, and make their decisions based on what was written in those. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
The team should be adept enough at scouting to draft a guy who will turn into the first true #1 WR we've had since TO b***hed his way out.
You dont consider Aiyuk one? I get that he is gone but I considered him a #1. I ask because T.O. is like the 2nd greatest receiver ever lol. Who would you consider a number 1 receiver that IS NOT going to the Hall of Fame?
I do not consider him a top end #1 before the knee injury and definitely not in the wake of the injury.
He may have been a de facto #1 given the state of our WR room at the time.
Given the history of the position in the 49ers' organization BA was a great #2.
We were so hard up for a good WR that we loved him because he was as good a WR as we've had since TO.
Longtime fans have witnessed what a #1 actually looks like for me he was not that. YMMV on that point.
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49ers81
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You dont consider Aiyuk one? I get that he is gone but I considered him a #1. I ask because T.O. is like the 2nd greatest receiver ever lol. Who would you consider a number 1 receiver that IS NOT going to the Hall of Fame?
I never thought he was a $28 million dollar a year #1. I'm not sure I'd put him in the same class as guys like Ja'marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Jaxon Smith Njigba or some of the other receivers who got their bag in the last few years. I would take Aman Ra St. Brown and Puka Nacua over him as well. He was a good fit for this system because he was willing to block and did a pretty good job of it. He also had some really good games, but I never saw him as a game changer, which is what you pay $28 million a year for.
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SlipAndSlideBosa
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
bring him in
Yep all I had to hear was "Veteran Pass Rusher". Has to be better than what we currently have.
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Fanaticofnfl
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
bring him in
What the heck happened to this guy? Just 2-3 years ago in New England he was putting up franchise edge rusher numbers. Now he's STILL looking for his first sack of the season? I know he tore his bicep at the end of his time in New England but is such an injury really supposed to ruin an edge rusher's career?
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BP13
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I've never seen a fanbase so angry at a 10-4 record with a 99% chance to make the playoffs while missing two defensive HOFers lmao.
It's almost like these usual suspects aren't actually fans…
they are what people call the "forty whiner," part of our fan base.
[ Edited by BP13 on Dec 17, 2025 at 7:44 AM ]
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
bring him in
What the heck happened to this guy? Just 2-3 years ago in New England he was putting up franchise edge rusher numbers. Now he's STILL looking for his first sack of the season? I know he tore his bicep at the end of his time in New England but is such an injury really supposed to ruin an edge rusher's career?
Not sure how he was used in Miami vs NE.
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leakyfausett
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
bring him in
He was a pro bowler 19, 20, 21, and 22. Was on pace for the same kind of year in 23 with 13 tackles, 4 sacks, 9 qb hits and a safety through 4 games before season ending surgery. Had an ok bounce back year in Atlanta in 24 but nowhere close to the previous 5 or 6 years. Has played in 13 games this season and has little to show for it. He might help but I am kinda thinking either he isn't being used properly or his best days are way behind him.
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
He was a pro bowler 19, 20, 21, and 22. Was on pace for the same kind of year in 23 with 13 tackles, 4 sacks, 9 qb hits and a safety through 4 games before season ending surgery. Had an ok bounce back year in Atlanta in 24 but nowhere close to the previous 5 or 6 years. Has played in 13 games this season and has little to show for it. He might help but I am kinda thinking either he isn't being used properly or his best days are way behind him.
Probably both, but man they're pretty damn thin there…imo it's not like it would make them worse