John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Go ahead and prove it if you want to.

All one has to do is look at his draft picks and personnel decisions and you will see what you need to see. You don't need a massive spreadsheet with data points and pie charts. It's right in front of you.

I will make it easy for you. Find me one GM who has THREE moves like this:

Trades Deforest Buckner
Takes Solomon Thomas 3rd overall
Trades 3 first round picks for Trey Lance.

If every GM is on par with each other it should be easy to find someone else who has made three horribly epic decisions like this in 8 years.

and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Originally posted by BP13:
and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Again, who cares? If he drafted better and made better personnel decisions we win at least two. Maybe more.

Hindsight is 20/20 but taking Solomon Thomas when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer was plain stupidity. Trading Buckner and trading for Trey Lance?? Comeon.

How many SB's do we win with Patrick Mahomes, Deforest Buckner, Micah Parsons, and Brian Breese?

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:
Kyle is good. We need a new GM. Done with lynch.

So you think he's all for show, nothing more than Shanny's blonde bimbo

I don't know about all that but , when your team picks fragile players that don't see any playing time and eventually get released year after year it's a problem. How many picks did we waste on receivers that flashed for a second got hurt and ended up being released? Add those to a completely neglected offensive line and busts on defense and you have a bigger problem. Someone has to be accountable.. it's more than bad luck, or a fluke.. it's year after year of the same. We need to get younger and cheaper right? Well with how we pick em it's a recipe for disaster and we are now eating the meal he cooked up. It don't taste good… sure we have a decent record now but let's not kid ourselves that won't last. Too many players are missing and are not coming back this year. I hate to add the one thing we all fear to the story… who is Purdy really? Well, we just don't know because he is not on the field and the last time he played was very concerning. Kyle is doing an outstanding job of holding things together and milking the most out of what he has. Just imagine what the team could do if he had legitimate talent on the field instead of on the sidelines…. I will end with this. You have a top 3 HC that has a brilliant offensive mind and you have Lynch. If you want to breath new life into the team who would you replace? Easy answer for me….

Blonde bimbo

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BP13:
and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Again, who cares? If he drafted better and made better personnel decisions we win at least two. Maybe more.

Hindsight is 20/20 but taking Solomon Thomas when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer was plain stupidity. Trading Buckner and trading for Trey Lance?? Comeon.

How many SB's do we win with Patrick Mahomes, Deforest Buckner and Micah Parsons?

Right, it's too bad Lynch didn't have a crystal ball and could see the future.
your whole argument is hindsight. "If, if, if." If my Grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa.

It's easy for Captain Webzoner posting from his parents' basement to say a GM should've done this or that, years after the fact.

• The 49ers traded out of the No. 12 pick for Lance in 2021. The No. 12 pick was Micah Parsons. The 10 picks after Lance were Kyle Pitts, Ja'Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Penei Sewell, Jaycee Horn, Patrick Surtain II, DeVonta Smith, Justin Fields, Micah Parsons and Rashawn Slater. Six are already Pro Bowlers

The Trey Lance trade was ranked as the worst trade in NFL history.

We literally could have thrown a dart on a board and drafted a Pro Bowl player. And that's not including the other 2 first round picks we traded away.

https://www.cbssports.com/

Jalon Walker with another sack and FF today. But Lynch took a two down edge setter at #11, A position we could have drafted in the 5th round.

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BP13:
and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Again, who cares? If he drafted better and made better personnel decisions we win at least two. Maybe more.

Hindsight is 20/20 but taking Solomon Thomas when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer was plain stupidity. Trading Buckner and trading for Trey Lance?? Comeon.

How many SB's do we win with Patrick Mahomes, Deforest Buckner and Micah Parsons?

Right, it's too bad Lynch didn't have a crystal ball and could see the future.
your whole argument is hindsight. "If, if, if." If my Grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa.

It's easy for Captain Webzoner posting from his parents' basement to say a GM should've done this or that, years after the fact.

If a tiny person was tall, if a fat woman was skinny, if a dog was a cat, if a football was a frisbee instead, if Sask was Lynch

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BP13:
and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Again, who cares? If he drafted better and made better personnel decisions we win at least two. Maybe more.

Hindsight is 20/20 but taking Solomon Thomas when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer was plain stupidity. Trading Buckner and trading for Trey Lance?? Comeon.

How many SB's do we win with Patrick Mahomes, Deforest Buckner and Micah Parsons?

Right, it's too bad Lynch didn't have a crystal ball and could see the future.
your whole argument is hindsight. "If, if, if." If my Grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa.

It's easy for Captain Webzoner posting from his parents' basement to say a GM should've done this or that, years after the fact.

If a tiny person was tall, if a fat woman was skinny, if a dog was a cat, if a football was a frisbee instead, if Sask was Lynch

see, Pillage gets it

Drafting in this regime has always been a collective effort. Martin Mayhew, Ran Carthon, Adam Peters, Tariq Ahmad, Kyle and John, the scouting department plays a big hand. Losing most of those guys to promotions doesn't help, but the last few drafts have been good imo.

There has been a discussion lately if there is maybe too much delegation, and that this franchise lacks a singular vision. I know people like Larry Kreuger thinks the 49ers should promote Lynch to a higher executive role, and bring in a Personnel guy with an extensive drafting record and a specific blueprint.

Just throwing out the stuff I've heard this week, food for thought.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ohhh. Do as everyone else and don't have a differing opinion or the big scary mods come in right??

You CAN criticize Lynch you know that right?

I listed all the player he has picked who were complete busts. It's not a small list.

Fine. Then do the same the same with every other team in the league and compare the results, starting in 2017 and ending in 2025, using as a criteria, players who are no longer with the teams that drafted them versus players who were drafted, are still on the team, and have made notable contributions. Then you'll at least have some context for your argument. As it is now, you're only looking at one set of data points out of 32 and claiming that it is outside the norm. Prove it or quit complaining.

Go ahead and prove it if you want to.

All one has to do is look at his draft picks and personnel decisions and you will see what you need to see. You don't need a massive spreadsheet with data points and pie charts. It's right in front of you.

I will make it easy for you. Find me one GM who has THREE moves like this:

Trades Deforest Buckner
Takes Solomon Thomas 3rd overall
Trades 3 first round picks for Trey Lance.

If every GM is on par with each other it should be easy to find someone else who has made three horribly epic decisions like this in 8 years.

You're the one who is making the argument, the onus is on you to provide the supporting data. "I claim that John Lynch has missed on a higher percentage of his draft picks, then any other GM in the league. But I'm not actually going to support that assertion with any actual data I'm just going to keep saying it and make someone else prove me wrong." Opinions aren't facts, and while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, you're not in a position to claim that there's any actual merit to your argument, unless you're willing to prove it. Until such a time comes along, you're just making stuff up,

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BP13:
and yet, Lynch's roster made 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Superbowls in 5 years. So he must be doing something right.

Again, who cares? If he drafted better and made better personnel decisions we win at least two. Maybe more.

Hindsight is 20/20 but taking Solomon Thomas when all we had at QB was Brian Hoyer was plain stupidity. Trading Buckner and trading for Trey Lance?? Comeon.

How many SB's do we win with Patrick Mahomes, Deforest Buckner and Micah Parsons?

Right, it's too bad Lynch didn't have a crystal ball and could see the future.
your whole argument is hindsight. "If, if, if." If my Grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa.

It's easy for Captain Webzoner posting from his parents' basement to say a GM should've done this or that, years after the fact.

If a tiny person was tall, if a fat woman was skinny, if a dog was a cat, if a football was a frisbee instead, if Sask was Lynch

They'd wait till the draft was over and draft retroactively.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Jalon Walker with another sack and FF today. But Lynch took a two down edge setter at #11, A position we could have drafted in the 5th round.

So Lynch should be more like the Falcons GM and draft/build teams like they do?

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Ohhh. Do as everyone else and don't have a differing opinion or the big scary mods come in right??

You CAN criticize Lynch you know that right?

I listed all the player he has picked who were complete busts. It's not a small list.

Fine. Then do the same the same with every other team in the league and compare the results, starting in 2017 and ending in 2025, using as a criteria, players who are no longer with the teams that drafted them versus players who were drafted, are still on the team, and have made notable contributions. Then you'll at least have some context for your argument. As it is now, you're only looking at one set of data points out of 32 and claiming that it is outside the norm. Prove it or quit complaining.

Go ahead and prove it if you want to.

All one has to do is look at his draft picks and personnel decisions and you will see what you need to see. You don't need a massive spreadsheet with data points and pie charts. It's right in front of you.

I will make it easy for you. Find me one GM who has THREE moves like this:

Trades Deforest Buckner
Takes Solomon Thomas 3rd overall
Trades 3 first round picks for Trey Lance.

If every GM is on par with each other it should be easy to find someone else who has made three horribly epic decisions like this in 8 years.

You're the one who is making the argument, the onus is on you to provide the supporting data. "I claim that John Lynch has missed on a higher percentage of his draft picks, then any other GM in the league. But I'm not actually going to support that assertion with any actual data I'm just going to keep saying it and make someone else prove me wrong." Opinions aren't facts, and while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, you're not in a position to claim that there's any actual merit to your argument, unless you're willing to prove it. Until such a time comes along, you're just making stuff up,

When did I say that I claim that John Lynch has missed on a higher percentage of his draft picks, then any other GM in the league?

I said he was terrible at drafting in rounds 1-4 and has made some terrible personnel decisions.

I posted a list of 30+ players who busted yet you are the one arguing with me over something I never said. Good job 👏

Like I said, find me another other GM that has such HUGE blunders as the Solomon Thomas / Trey Lance picks and trading Buckner. I will wait.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
When did I say that I claim that John Lynch has missed on a higher percentage of his draft picks, then any other GM in the league?

I said he was terrible at drafting in rounds 1-4 and has made some terrible personnel decisions.

I posted a list of 30+ players who busted yet you are the one arguing with me over something I never said. Good job 👏

Like I said, find me another other GM that has such HUGE blunders as the Solomon Thomas / Trey Lance picks and trading Buckner. I will wait.

What GM has found more pro bowl/all pro players outside the first round?

Panthers traded more for Bryce Young than 9ers traded for Lance.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
When did I say that I claim that John Lynch has missed on a higher percentage of his draft picks, then any other GM in the league?

I said he was terrible at drafting in rounds 1-4 and has made some terrible personnel decisions.

I posted a list of 30+ players who busted yet you are the one arguing with me over something I never said. Good job 👏

Like I said, find me another other GM that has such HUGE blunders as the Solomon Thomas / Trey Lance picks and trading Buckner. I will wait.

What GM has found more pro bowl/all pro players outside the first round?

Panthers traded more for Bryce Young than 9ers traded for Lance.

So? What's your point?

Bryce Young is actually playing.