John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I am bookmarking this comment. I know this is BS day and season, but they have largely ignored the o line their entire tenure. I wont be holding my breath.

Not really. They traded for the best LT this decade. Spend top 5 money on a center. Drafted a RT top 10. Drafted a OG top 50 etc etc.

I don't expect them to go OL high. Listening to Kyle just talk….There's gonna be a heavy dose of young defensive linemen added via the draft. Toss LBer in there.

start doing your homework on late day 2 day 3 OL. Cause they're not looking at that based off everything they've all said (and this isn't the draft to go that direction early anyway).

Originally posted by lamontb:
Seems like we low balled Dre then seen how much other teams were paying and tried to swoop in at the last minute with a big offer.

I didn't read it like that. I think they let him test FA and then offered him a higher deal than the Broncos did. He clearly wanted to be the MIKE for his own team. The leader of a defense.

Time to find another LBer to work next to Warner, we got Saleh who's been damn good at finding them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Seems like we low balled Dre then seen how much other teams were paying and tried to swoop in at the last minute with a big offer.

I didn't read it like that. I think they let him test FA and then offered him a higher deal than the Broncos did. He clearly wanted to be the MIKE for his own team. The leader of a defense.

Time to find another LBer to work next to Warner, we got Saleh who's been damn good at finding them.

They'll definitely try and find one in the draft. It's just a matter of which round.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
A tale as old as time. Fans overreacting to pre-draft talking points from the GM/HC.

It wasn't that long ago that we were raging about this regime not caring about edge rushers because they were content with Cassius Marsh.

They're not going to show their hand and they're going to prop up the guys they have now until they can find replacements. As a reminder to some they talked about Marsh like he was Reggie White in his prime and then once they were able to add legit edge rushers they cut his ass.

I am bookmarking this comment. I know this is BS day and season, but they have largely ignored the o line their entire tenure. I wont be holding my breath.

You can bookmark it and I'm not predicting they will have the equivalent of adding Dee Ford and Nick Bosa on the OL since the draft isn't strong on the OL at our biggest spots to improve on.

However your claim that they've ignored the OL is not accurate. I've done a deep dive on this before but don't feel like it again so will just go off memory and address the big moves.

McGlinchey with a top 10 pick - if you recall most people felt we didn't have a need at OT cuz we had Trent Brown
Weston Richburg - big $ in FA
Trent Williams trade - huge move with Staley retiring
Traded for Laken Tomlinson
Added key cheap vets in FA who have been major contributors on the OL - Mike Person, Brandon Fusco, Ben Garland, Daniel Brunskill
Signed Alex Mack
Drafted Aaron Banks in the 2nd round
Drafted Puni in the 3rd round
Jaylon Moore, Burford, Zakelj, Mckivitz drafted to develop.

I think if anything we've simply been unlucky in some of our bigger FA moves. RIchburg was playing great football before the career ending injury.

The biggest issue is the moves haven't been homeruns save hopefully Puni and Trent Williams. It doesn't help that you have an OL coach who believes he can coach guys up and it doesn't help that Kyle is very particular in who he looks for in OL and it hasn't fallen for us where BPA was OL earlier in the drafts.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Seems like we low balled Dre then seen how much other teams were paying and tried to swoop in at the last minute with a big offer.

That's called letting players find their market. Nothing wrong with that strategy. Dre wanted to be the lead on a defense so he wasn't going to resign no matter what. Probably why they threw him that going away party months ago.

I know Grant Cohn is trying to spin it another way like the slime ball always does but Dre's father literally said Dre wants to be Jordan and not Pippen.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
They'll definitely try and find one in the draft. It's just a matter of which round.

There's some solid guys on day 2/3.

I've always believed if I were a GM, especially with multiple needs, I'd use the higher draft picks on the harder to find (good) positions. That being said, draft the DT's and DB's in the first round and there are ALWAYS high-quality OL found in rounds 2-4. I also believe they are easier to acquire via trade or free-agency. I wouldn't spend an 11th pick on OL unless it's someone elite or close to it at LT. Although nice to have, you don't need elite at OL, just good.

Originally posted by genus49:
You can bookmark it and I'm not predicting they will have the equivalent of adding Dee Ford and Nick Bosa on the OL since the draft isn't strong on the OL at our biggest spots to improve on.

However your claim that they've ignored the OL is not accurate. I've done a deep dive on this before but don't feel like it again so will just go off memory and address the big moves.

McGlinchey with a top 10 pick - if you recall most people felt we didn't have a need at OT cuz we had Trent Brown
Weston Richburg - big $ in FA
Trent Williams trade - huge move with Staley retiring
Traded for Laken Tomlinson
Added key cheap vets in FA who have been major contributors on the OL - Mike Person, Brandon Fusco, Ben Garland, Daniel Brunskill
Signed Alex Mack
Drafted Aaron Banks in the 2nd round
Drafted Puni in the 3rd round
Jaylon Moore, Burford, Zakelj, Mckivitz drafted to develop.

I think if anything we've simply been unlucky in some of our bigger FA moves. RIchburg was playing great football before the career ending injury.

The biggest issue is the moves haven't been homeruns save hopefully Puni and Trent Williams. It doesn't help that you have an OL coach who believes he can coach guys up and it doesn't help that Kyle is very particular in who he looks for in OL and it hasn't fallen for us where BPA was OL earlier in the drafts.

I was looking at some advanced passing metrics and Brock was like 23rd in pressure rate last yr. 16th in total pressures. 13th in hits (while being one of the highest QB in time to throw).

the OL was not sexy and I think we all agree Brendel stinks, it wasn't as disastrous as people want to make it and that's with basically no Trent for a big part of 2024.

They're gonna add some guys to the OL via the draft, I highly doubt it will be with an early pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was looking at some advanced passing metrics and Brock was like 23rd in pressure rate last yr. 16th in total pressures. 13th in hits (while being one of the highest QB in time to throw).

the OL was not sexy and I think we all agree Brendel stinks, it wasn't as disastrous as people want to make it and that's with basically no Trent for a big part of 2024.

They're gonna add some guys to the OL via the draft, I highly doubt it will be with an early pick.

Yup.

I've been saying it for a years that this Oline isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Sure, we need to address the center position with Brendel but I'm expecting Hennessy will take that job rather easily in camp if he comes in prepared and knows the offense. Zakelj can be a backup if needed.

Find a swing tackle later in the draft. The 4th round is a good place to start.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Incorrect. That may be the general rating however, Brendel cost us 2-3 games by himself with his 33rd rated self!!!! Williams and Puni bring the group ranking WAY UP.

having average players is much better than 2 great players and 2-3 horrendous ones

I'm no fan of Brendel, but where did you get the 33rd rate from?

Williams barely played this year. Colton was actually decent and will probably play his way out of SF in a yr the way guys are getting paid.

honestly upgrading the center position would vastly improve the OL overall. Brock himself needs to play better and get rid the of ball quicker, his TT was near the top of the league and he was consistently looking to push the ball downfield. Time and a place for all that, but this OL isn't built to be a heavy straight drop back OL.

PFF has him as the 36th overall ranked Center based on pass pro.

Overall he's 20th.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Seems like we low balled Dre then seen how much other teams were paying and tried to swoop in at the last minute with a big offer.

That's called letting players find their market. Nothing wrong with that strategy. Dre wanted to be the lead on a defense so he wasn't going to resign no matter what. Probably why they threw him that going away party months ago.

I know Grant Cohn is trying to spin it another way like the slime ball always does but Dre's father literally said Dre wants to be Jordan and not Pippen.

I haven't really been following all the aftermath of Greenlaw's decision to sign with Denver, but I understand the Niners only offered him a 1-year deal plus he gets to be the green dot guy on the Broncos so I guess that tipped it in their favor. Honestly his contract with Denver is really only a 1-year deal too since they can probably opt out in the 2nd or 3rd.

Originally posted by raywm3:
I've always believed if I were a GM, especially with multiple needs, I'd use the higher draft picks on the harder to find (good) positions. That being said, draft the DT's and DB's in the first round and there are ALWAYS high-quality OL found in rounds 2-4. I also believe they are easier to acquire via trade or free-agency. I wouldn't spend an 11th pick on OL unless it's someone elite or close to it at LT. Although nice to have, you don't need elite at OL, just good.

Agreed. I posted earlier that I would focus on the "hard to find", as you put it, positions in rounds 1 and 2. To me, those positions are QB, Pass Rusher (interior or edge), and CB. If those positions are filled, then I would throw WR in there too.

That's where you need the "difference makers" or "playmakers". If you don't have enough of those on your team, then you better find them in rounds 1 and 2 because it's hard to find them later in the draft or free agency.

Our cupboard is pretty bare when it comes to Pass Rusher (interior or edge). That's where the focus should be in rounds 1 and 2. I'd also be open to one of the top CBs if they're available. Curious to see how Lynch and Shanahan approach it as the draft progresses.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Incorrect. That may be the general rating however, Brendel cost us 2-3 games by himself with his 33rd rated self!!!! Williams and Puni bring the group ranking WAY UP.

having average players is much better than 2 great players and 2-3 horrendous ones

I'm no fan of Brendel, but where did you get the 33rd rate from?

Williams barely played this year. Colton was actually decent and will probably play his way out of SF in a yr the way guys are getting paid.

honestly upgrading the center position would vastly improve the OL overall. Brock himself needs to play better and get rid the of ball quicker, his TT was near the top of the league and he was consistently looking to push the ball downfield. Time and a place for all that, but this OL isn't built to be a heavy straight drop back OL.

PFF has him as the 36th overall ranked Center based on pass pro.

Overall he's 20th.

Brendel is a poor pass protector but he's a good run blocker. In Kyle's scheme where the run is a valued tool that makes Brendel better than average. I'm sure if you look at every center in the league you'll find some that are great pass protectors but not good run blockers. That's the biggest problem in trying to find a great O lineman. There just aren't a lot of guys coming out of college that are good at both pass protection and run blocking. Centers that do both are even rarer.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Incorrect. That may be the general rating however, Brendel cost us 2-3 games by himself with his 33rd rated self!!!! Williams and Puni bring the group ranking WAY UP.

having average players is much better than 2 great players and 2-3 horrendous ones

I'm no fan of Brendel, but where did you get the 33rd rate from?

Williams barely played this year. Colton was actually decent and will probably play his way out of SF in a yr the way guys are getting paid.

honestly upgrading the center position would vastly improve the OL overall. Brock himself needs to play better and get rid the of ball quicker, his TT was near the top of the league and he was consistently looking to push the ball downfield. Time and a place for all that, but this OL isn't built to be a heavy straight drop back OL.

It's been mentioned by Chapman, Ant and other podcasters incessantly and they sometimes stated the source (initially) but after they stated the source, they didn't have to mention it evertime. So it is what it is.

Also, even if Williams played a lot or not has absolutely no bearing on his grade. His 80+ grade definitely raises the aggregate like I said. Colton played a little better than last year (I like that he holds a bit more) but like you and many said, an upgrade at C would be tremendous.

As far as Purdy goes, pressure up the middle is devastating, but I lost count of how many sacks he got out of due to atrocious interior OL play (Brendel and Banks). Brock held it longer this year mostly bc an almost league low separation by our backup WRs, not so bc he was looking to push the ball downfield. In 2023 he was launching bombs early to Aiyuk and company. Hopefully his TTT will increase bc I'd love to see him have time in the pocket without being moved off his spot.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Incorrect. That may be the general rating however, Brendel cost us 2-3 games by himself with his 33rd rated self!!!! Williams and Puni bring the group ranking WAY UP.

having average players is much better than 2 great players and 2-3 horrendous ones

I'm no fan of Brendel, but where did you get the 33rd rate from?

Williams barely played this year. Colton was actually decent and will probably play his way out of SF in a yr the way guys are getting paid.

honestly upgrading the center position would vastly improve the OL overall. Brock himself needs to play better and get rid the of ball quicker, his TT was near the top of the league and he was consistently looking to push the ball downfield. Time and a place for all that, but this OL isn't built to be a heavy straight drop back OL.

PFF has him as the 36th overall ranked Center based on pass pro.

Overall he's 20th.

I'm not seeing that?