John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

So is someone leaking information again?

Shoutout to the 49ers for allowing all those trade rumors and not even having the balls to make an actual offer all while alienating the QB you do have. Great job.

— Evan Burner Sowards (@2Evan2Furious) February 1, 2021

Here it is 3 days later, and i still am stunned at how little value the Rams thot they had in Goff. He is a good QB but not when there is big pressure up the gut. But still, TWO firsts, a third, AND Goff for Stafford? Wow...if JL/KS had made that move they would have decimated the 49ers...and lost one heckuva lot of fan base, myself included.

Whoever this dude is, if he really looks at this trade it is Herschel Walker trade all over again, which was a disaster for the team that got Herschel. And had Lynch/Kyle done this they would be done here. Sure Stafford was interesting (i still like JG better), but this trade? Lions took the Rams to the cleaners.

As an aside, this probably breaks the Rams back. Now Stafford can't look forward to much , if any help in the draft with no 1st rd pick for 3(or is it 4 )yrs? He goes in to a situation where the Rams have to win with what they have now...not much help from draft.

And the poster above thot that our GM/HC didn't have any balls? 2Evan2furious is wack job. Just thank God JL/KS didn't do something as stupidly foolish as the above.

Great points Doc, the Stafford trade does remind me a bit of the Hershel Walker trade. The draft picks from the Hershel trade won 3 super bowls. The guys who got Hershel - I think to this day - *still* haven't appeared in a super bowl.

Regarding the tweet...why would the SF declare they are not in the hunt for Stafford? If DET is able to leverage SF to get LAR to pony up MORE resources to execute the trade, it helps SF even more.

And I don't think it makes any difference to Jimmy Garoppolo. He knows 2021 is a prove it year. He wasn't very good, even when healthy, in 2020. He needs to step up, and he'll see new faces in the QB room to compete.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mack has been awesome. OBJ got a serious injury.

It doesn't look that awesome to me. The Bears still look meh.

The TRADE was still worth it. No need to pivot to the other 52 players. LOL

Anyone who wouldn't take that trade today is melting down and snorting their own rose colored glasses off Tinfoil.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Why would you want him? In 8 seasons he's never started more than 8 games in a single year. He's never even had a 500 yard season Something wrong with a guy that's 6'2"and 235 pounds and runs a 4.42 forty but can't put up better numbers than that. He has small hands (9") and short arms (a little over 31") so that might be part of the problem. I'm guessing he doesn't run great routes either.

As a returner

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
3 days later and i am still stunned by how little value the Rams gave to Goff. He is a decent enough Qb, but no great shakes. Stafford's record isn't notably better...if at all. But TWO firsts, a third, AND Goff for Stafford? Holy smokes if JL/KS made that kind of deal they would have been ridden out of town on a rail. That is a franchise buster, not a franchise maker.

Thank the good Lord that our GM//HC didn't pull off a numbskull trade like that. It would have broken this team...literally. Sure Stafford is a good QB, but he doesn't have that great a resume to qualify for the trade above. The poster who posted " KS/JL don't have any balls" is dealing with a severe case of ...unreality. Nobody in their right minds makes that trade.

Only other trade that unequally bad that comes to mind is the Herschel Walker trade which resulted in Dallas later winning 3 SBs due to that one incredibly lopsided trade. Thank you John and thank you Kyle for not doing something as disastrously awful as a trade like that.

and should Watson be offered up at a ridiculous price such as that, i hope and pray JL/KS say no to that one also.

Sorry but those around the league disagree. Stafford is a mighty improvement and worth all those picks. If Jalen Ramsey is worth 2 1sts so is Stafford. Rams have already proven to all the people that think draft picks are sooo coveted that you can build an elite team without them.

And you are wrong no one would have ridden this FO if they gave up the same for Stafford. If anything I want these bums out of this organization because they DIDN'T make that trade and I know a lot of other Niner fans feel the same.

#firelynch&takeQBcontrolawayfromshanahan

The biggest trades the 49ers didn't make that fans gave them hell for were the Mack and OBJ trades. Add Stafford to that list now.

We didn't make the Mack trade and people lost their minds. We ended up with Bosa and Ford. And while everyone wants to bash the Ford move now because of his injury his impact was pretty clear when he was on the field and hate the move all you want he was a key guy to get us to the SB last season. Bosa obviously is a key cog for us on defense.

We didn't make the OBJ trade and people b***hed. We drafted Aiyuk(and people still b***hed) it looks like at least so far that non trade and that draft pick are looking like the right move.

Rams overpaid like crazy so they could shed Goff's contract. Here's hoping the 49ers are able to find their Bosa/Aiyuk at QB.

Honestly the one move that will make me lose my sh*t is if we trade for Cousins. I just don't understand that move at all and I don't see an upgrade over Jimmy. If you're going to throw the guy away then you better bring in a guy who is CLEARLY better or at least clearly has the potential to be MUCH better. Cousins is not that guy.

I think if we don't get the Watson trade done we're looking at the draft. Personally I'm ok with any of the top 5 QBs(Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, Jones) in that order but I can also picture the team rolling with Jimmy, drafting a guy to groom/backup after the 12th pick and try to beef up the roster to make another run. I don't think that's the smartest move but I would let them play the long game and hope our guys stay healthy enough to make another run with Jimmy.

If we do keep Jimmy then I hope NC finally gets his wish and we spend some serious investment in the OL.

To me our QB situation should be addressed in the following preference.

1. Watson

2. Draft tradeup for Wilson

3. Draft Lance
4. Draft Jones

5. Keep Jimmy and draft a QB round 2 or later.



6. Trade for Kirk Cousins

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So is someone leaking information again?

Shoutout to the 49ers for allowing all those trade rumors and not even having the balls to make an actual offer all while alienating the QB you do have. Great job.

— Evan Burner Sowards (@2Evan2Furious) February 1, 2021

Here it is 3 days later, and i still am stunned at how little value the Rams thot they had in Goff. He is a good QB but not when there is big pressure up the gut. But still, TWO firsts, a third, AND Goff for Stafford? Wow...if JL/KS had made that move they would have decimated the 49ers...and lost one heckuva lot of fan base, myself included.

Whoever this dude is, if he really looks at this trade it is Herschel Walker trade all over again, which was a disaster for the team that got Herschel. And had Lynch/Kyle done this they would be done here. Sure Stafford was interesting (i still like JG better), but this trade? Lions took the Rams to the cleaners.

As an aside, this probably breaks the Rams back. Now Stafford can't look forward to much , if any help in the draft with no 1st rd pick for 3(or is it 4 )yrs? He goes in to a situation where the Rams have to win with what they have now...not much help from draft.

And the poster above thot that our GM/HC didn't have any balls? 2Evan2furious is wack job. Just thank God JL/KS didn't do something as stupidly foolish as the above.

Great points Doc, the Stafford trade does remind me a bit of the Hershel Walker trade. The draft picks from the Hershel trade won 3 super bowls. The guys who got Hershel - I think to this day - *still* haven't appeared in a super bowl.

Regarding the tweet...why would the SF declare they are not in the hunt for Stafford? If DET is able to leverage SF to get LAR to pony up MORE resources to execute the trade, it helps SF even more.

And I don't think it makes any difference to Jimmy Garoppolo. He knows 2021 is a prove it year. He wasn't very good, even when healthy, in 2020. He needs to step up, and he'll see new faces in the QB room to compete.

I think the timing of the tweet (which said they never offered) was after the rams/stafford trade was already done. Kyle and Lynch *conveniently* left for the weekend while the trade was being finalized so they could not be contacted by the press or by his good friend Sean McVay regarding the Stafford trade, and so they indirectly helped Detroit fleece the Rams in that way. At least that's how I'm reading the events.

If the 49ers would have traded for Mack we wouldn't have Bosa as that pick would have went to the Raiders.

If the 48ers traded for OBJ they wouldn't have Bosa or Mack.

What else you revisionist want to f**k up?

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the timing of the tweet (which said they never offered) was after the rams/stafford trade was already done. Kyle and Lynch *conveniently* left for the weekend while the trade was being finalized so they could not be contacted by the press or by his good friend Sean McVay regarding the Stafford trade, and so they indirectly helped Detroit fleece the Rams in that way. At least that's how I'm reading the events.

Bottom line? Rams got hammered...we didn't.

The only thing known for sure about our interest in Stafford....is that we had zero interest at the above going rate. You can win staying put sometimes. Glad it was us standing pat and not the Rams. I will not be surprised if this doesn't crater McVay's stay at Ramsville. Not immediately, but eventually.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Sorry but those around the league disagree. Stafford is a mighty improvement and worth all those picks. If Jalen Ramsey is worth 2 1sts so is Stafford. Rams have already proven to all the people that think draft picks are sooo coveted that you can build an elite team without them.

And you are wrong no one would have ridden this FO if they gave up the same for Stafford. If anything I want these bums out of this organization because they DIDN'T make that trade and I know a lot of other Niner fans feel the same.

#firelynch&takeQBcontrolawayfromshanahan

Sorry 2 firsts are to much. We'll revisit this once we bounce the lambs out the playoffs next year.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the timing of the tweet (which said they never offered) was after the rams/stafford trade was already done. Kyle and Lynch *conveniently* left for the weekend while the trade was being finalized so they could not be contacted by the press or by his good friend Sean McVay regarding the Stafford trade, and so they indirectly helped Detroit fleece the Rams in that way. At least that's how I'm reading the events.

Bottom line? Rams got hammered...we didn't.

I'm excited to Have a 33 year old QB for Bosa to go after next year. Plus, I love the draft. I'd be pissed if we didn't have a first round pick until the mid 2020's. The draft is excellent entertainment, and that is all football provides us anyway.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the timing of the tweet (which said they never offered) was after the rams/stafford trade was already done. Kyle and Lynch *conveniently* left for the weekend while the trade was being finalized so they could not be contacted by the press or by his good friend Sean McVay regarding the Stafford trade, and so they indirectly helped Detroit fleece the Rams in that way. At least that's how I'm reading the events.

Bottom line? Rams got hammered...we didn't.

The only thing known for sure about our interest in Stafford....is that we had zero interest at the above going rate. You can win staying put sometimes. Glad it was us standing pat and not the Rams. I will not be surprised if this doesn't crater McVay's stay at Ramsville. Not immediately, but eventually.

Yeah, totally agree. I think this next year is McVay's last year in the Rams organization. Same with Cheat Carroll (in a sense) because of their playoff frustrations. Walsh had a Bellicheat situation where the NFC west was the weakest division during the dynasty run, because he constantly beat the teams in the division and the owner of the teams in the division eventually got frustrated that they kept changing their coaching staff to their teams detriment. I can see that happening again (as it happened in the Patriots division) where Bellicheat beats up his division rivals every year that they eventually get weaker -- and for a long time the AFC east has been one of the weaker divisions in football. Once that happens, I can see Kyle being in multiple super bowls as long as he doesn't retire like Bill.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Sorry but those around the league disagree. Stafford is a mighty improvement and worth all those picks. If Jalen Ramsey is worth 2 1sts so is Stafford. Rams have already proven to all the people that think draft picks are sooo coveted that you can build an elite team without them.

And you are wrong no one would have ridden this FO if they gave up the same for Stafford. If anything I want these bums out of this organization because they DIDN'T make that trade and I know a lot of other Niner fans feel the same.

#firelynch&takeQBcontrolawayfromshanahan

Rams arent an elite team. They lost to the damn Jets.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Rams arent an elite team. They lost to the damn Jets.

They lost to the 49ers.....twice. With half the team injured and Mullens and an injured Garoppolo at QB.

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think the timing of the tweet (which said they never offered) was after the rams/stafford trade was already done. Kyle and Lynch *conveniently* left for the weekend while the trade was being finalized so they could not be contacted by the press or by his good friend Sean McVay regarding the Stafford trade, and so they indirectly helped Detroit fleece the Rams in that way. At least that's how I'm reading the events.

Bottom line? Rams got hammered...we didn't.

I'm excited to Have a 33 year old QB for Bosa to go after next year. Plus, I love the draft. I'd be pissed if we didn't have a first round pick until the mid 2020's. The draft is excellent entertainment, and that is all football provides us anyway.

Agree, as another pointed out, if you hit on your first round draft pick (even he's just a solid starter vs a Jerry Rice or Bosa) you have a player that is going to be cheaper than a free agent for 4 years. Sean McVay is a good coach, but I think not having those first round picks has really stifled his coaching talents. I'm fine with that, by the way. I think Sean McVay is dealing with a GM that's too powerful (very similar to the HarBaalke situation) where Baalke is calling the shots vs Chimp Kelly and Fartsula. I think a good coach like Sean could be more effective if he had first rounders to coach up instead of later rounders. I think it's because of Sean that they've been able to find late round starters. Not so much the GM finding them, but Sean coaching them up.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

3 days later and i am still stunned by how little value the Rams gave to Goff. He is a decent enough Qb, but no great shakes. Stafford's record isn't notably better...if at all. But TWO firsts, a third, AND Goff for Stafford? Holy smokes if JL/KS made that kind of deal they would have been ridden out of town on a rail. That is a franchise buster, not a franchise maker.

Thank the good Lord that our GM//HC didn't pull off a numbskull trade like that. It would have broken this team...literally. Sure Stafford is a good QB, but he doesn't have that great a resume to qualify for the trade above. The poster who posted " KS/JL don't have any balls" is dealing with a severe case of ...unreality. Nobody in their right minds makes that trade.

Only other trade that unequally bad that comes to mind is the Herschel Walker trade which resulted in Dallas later winning 3 SBs due to that one incredibly lopsided trade. Thank you John and thank you Kyle for not doing something as disastrously awful as a trade like that.

and should Watson be offered up at a ridiculous price such as that, i hope and pray JL/KS say no to that one also.

Sorry but those around the league disagree. Stafford is a mighty improvement and worth all those picks. If Jalen Ramsey is worth 2 1sts so is Stafford. Rams have already proven to all the people that think draft picks are sooo coveted that you can build an elite team without them.

And you are wrong no one would have ridden this FO if they gave up the same for Stafford. If anything I want these bums out of this organization because they DIDN'T make that trade and I know a lot of other Niner fans feel the same.

#firelynch&takeQBcontrolawayfromshanahan

Sorry bud but you lost me at elite team. No one sees or saw the Rams as a serious contender and I'd wager that within e years they are in the cellar because of their bad choices.

As for my preference in all this, why overpay for Stafford when you could call the Falcons for Ryan at a lower cost because of their cap issues?

All these people losing their minds about how we "Missed" on Watson and Mahommes are kidding themselves. Lots of other teams passed on them too because they weren't seen as sure things. I would argue that Watson still isn't, he's a mediocre QB with the record to prove it.

Options
Get Ryan
Draft a QB and stick with Jimmy
Or don't and stick with him

That's it, end of list