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Originally posted by 49erphan:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by 49erphan:
Originally posted by Jcool:
"In their scouting evaluations, the 49ers will create a separate competitiveness/toughness grade, to try and find players who love football the most."

http://www.knbr.com/2017/02/08/john-lynch-details-what-he-and-kyle-shanahans-first-big-project-will-be/

New 49ers GM John Lynch said the team will create an extra "competitiveness and toughness grade" in the hopes of finding prospects "who love football the most."

It is not a revolutionary concept, as it screams "coach speak" and is somewhat expected from a former player. We will never know how much this impacts the team's final decision, but you can surmise that the club will not draft players with questions around their passion for the game. The full interview is interesting, as Lynch adds the team's quarterback search could continue into 2018.

Source: KNBR

Grading "competitiveness and toughness" is going to be a very subjective process. There are only limited ways to quantity such characteristics with much of any degree of objectivity. Never-the-less, I think it is important to try and Lynch might be a guy who can make those kinds of subjective assessments with some "accuracy". I wish Baalke had had such a "competitiveness and toughness" grading system because then there's a good chance he would have (should have) NOT drafted A.J. Jenkins in the first round in 2012. A.J. Jenkins in like the poster boy for why a grading system on "competitiveness and toughness" is an important thing to try to do.

He said a lot will go into that grade, like speaking to the player and see if they can detect BS. Speaking to strength coaches, position coaches, and people that can't do anything for the player or gain anything from the player.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Lynch was just going to look in a crystal ball and see how much "competitiveness and toughness" a player has. It is an intrinsically mostly subjective process but by looking at many factors and comparing notes with other knowledgeable and savvy people that you trust to have good judgement about those qualities does temper the subjectivity element. I'm glad he is doing it.

I can dig it. There are tons of athletic freaks that have no passion for the game, only chase the money. The difference between good players and great players is that passion for the game. You think guys like Brady and Montana are all time greats because of their physical tools? Their legendary work ethic has everything to do with their legacy.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This. dtg, of these QB's, do you know who played in a pro-style offense? Who has the best pocket-feel (athleticism within the pocket), throws with anticipation, can process very quickly (pre-post snap), is very accurate, best foot work, bright/quick study (WCO), etc. I'm looking for the best WCO fit...which means the best fit could be in the 3rd or 4th rounds (like Kirk Cousins).

DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Mitch Trubisky*, QB, North Carolina Height: 6-3. Weight: 220
Pat Mahomes*, QB, Texas Tech Height: 6-3. Weight: 219
Deshaun Watson*, QB, Clemson Height: 6-2. Weight: 205
Davis Webb, QB, California Height: 6-4. Weight: 229
Brad Kaaya*, QB, Miami Height: 6-4. Weight: 209
Jerod Evans*, QB, Virginia Tech Height: 6-4. Weight: 235
Josh Dobbs, QB, Tennessee Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss Height: 6-2. Weight: 215
Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Alec Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania Height: 6-2. Weight: 220
Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin Height: 6-0. Weight: 225.
Seth Russell, QB, Baylor Height: 6-2. Weight: 203
Tyler Stewart, QB, Nevada Height: 6-4. Weight: 220
Taysom Hill, QB, BYU Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Patrick Towles, QB, Boston College Height: 6-5. Weight: 253
C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa Height: 6-2. Weight: 219
Mitch Leidner, QB, Minnesota Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Gunner Kiel, QB, Cincinnati Height: 6-4. Weight: 208
Greg Ward Jr., QB, Houston Height: 5-11. Weight: 185


Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

As a big Miami Cane fan I pray to god we stay the hell away from Kaaya. He folds like beach chair under pressure.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
sorry late to this one.

What is the Academy and it's relation to the 49ers with this comment ?

Its a scouting school of sorts run by Dan Hatman, a former NFL scout. Several members of their current class got sitdowns with NFL teams at the Senior Bowl, don't know if any were hired though.
thanks. the latest interview i heard from JL was him talking about Atlanta using this CT grade. I guess he was impressed by it
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants
Fk it

we go mitch and nate
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Liked his knbr interview seems like a natural communicator unlike that b***h baalke. Now lets see what he can do to bring in talent.
Originally posted by Ninerblood:
As a big Miami Cane fan I pray to god we stay the hell away from Kaaya. He folds like beach chair under pressure.

This man tells no lies. Kayaa is like Happy Gilmore killing it at the driving range in the beginning of the movie but dude can't putt. If there's no pressure, if he has an absolutely clean pocket he can thread the needle but get a pass rusher anywhere in his immediate vicinity and dude goes into the tank.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Ninerblood:
As a big Miami Cane fan I pray to god we stay the hell away from Kaaya. He folds like beach chair under pressure.

This man tells no lies. Kayaa is like Happy Gilmore killing it at the driving range in the beginning of the movie but dude can't putt. If there's no pressure, if he has an absolutely clean pocket he can thread the needle but get a pass rusher anywhere in his immediate vicinity and dude goes into the tank.

Wouldn't mind him as a late round project in the 5th or 6th round if we take a QB in the 1st 2 or 3 rounds.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Ninerblood:
As a big Miami Cane fan I pray to god we stay the hell away from Kaaya. He folds like beach chair under pressure.

This man tells no lies. Kayaa is like Happy Gilmore killing it at the driving range in the beginning of the movie but dude can't putt. If there's no pressure, if he has an absolutely clean pocket he can thread the needle but get a pass rusher anywhere in his immediate vicinity and dude goes into the tank.

Wouldn't mind him as a late round project in the 5th or 6th round if we take a QB in the 1st 2 or 3 rounds.

Not sure if you can coach someone to stay calm under pressure. Maybe he'll grow out of it with more experience.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Ninerblood:
As a big Miami Cane fan I pray to god we stay the hell away from Kaaya. He folds like beach chair under pressure.

This man tells no lies. Kayaa is like Happy Gilmore killing it at the driving range in the beginning of the movie but dude can't putt. If there's no pressure, if he has an absolutely clean pocket he can thread the needle but get a pass rusher anywhere in his immediate vicinity and dude goes into the tank.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This man tells no lies. Kayaa is like Happy Gilmore killing it at the driving range in the beginning of the movie but dude can't putt. If there's no pressure, if he has an absolutely clean pocket he can thread the needle but get a pass rusher anywhere in his immediate vicinity and dude goes into the tank.

There are times when he looks really good, but he just falls apart and I could see Niner fans raging bc he couldn't put the team on his back and finish a winning drive.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants

Started watching some video today myself thinking of Kyle's offense and his list of requirements/ideals and you both are right, Peterman clearly is that fit...two late rounders/UDFA's could be C.J. Beathard & Mitch Leidner (lil bit of Ben Roethlisberger to him). They have Peterman going somewhere between the 3rd and 5th rounds. Is this accurate?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants

Started watching some video today myself thinking of Kyle's offense and his list of requirements/ideals and you both are right, Peterman clearly is that fit...two late rounders/UDFA's could be C.J. Beathard & Mitch Leidner (lil bit of Ben Roethlisberger to him). They have Peterman going somewhere between the 3rd and 5th rounds. Is this accurate?

He really showed up at the Senior bowl. He got a ton of praise form scouts on footwork and accuracy, I would guess a low 2nd early 3rd all said and done.

This is what his coach said about him...

"Pitt HC Pat Narduzzi compares QB Nathan Peterman to Washington Redskins QB Kirk Cousins as a prospect, according to NFL Network's Mike Mayock.

Narduzzi's opinion on the matter holds weight, as he was on the staff that coached Cousins at Michigan State. A Tennessee transfer, Peterman migrated to Pennsylvania and was a two-year starter for Narduzzi. Peterman threw for 2,855 yards and a 27/7 TD/INT ratio for the Panthers in 2016. Like Cousins, he'll be available on Day 3."

and if you look at their college stats it's near identical

Matt Miller
✔@nfldraftscout

If I had to pick a quarterback winner today, Pitt's Nathan Peterman would be it. Ball zips out. Jimmy Garoppolo lite.

Charles Davis
✔@CFD22

QB Nate Peterman of Pitt is drawing deserved, increased buzz @seniorbowl - Long process, expect his momentum to continue as Draft approaches

Mitch Fairchild @HardCountScout

A small thing but #Pitt QB Nate Peterman seems to have command in the huddle. You can hear his voice throughout the stadium. @seniorbowl

Arthur Arkush @ArthurArkush

Seems like a marginally better day for #seniorbowl South QBs, namely Tiffin's Pipkin, but Nate Peterman best one here-& not sure it's close.

Draft Analyst @DraftAnalyst1

Nate Peterman/QB/Pitt showing good accuracy on short/intermediate throws and to the sideline. Best QB on the field so far today. #SeniorBowl

Daniel Jeremiah compares him to Derrick Carr without the huge arm (even though he avg 9.3 y/a). I think at the very least he's worth drafting in the 3rd and developing, good fit for Kyle IMO.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants

Started watching some video today myself thinking of Kyle's offense and his list of requirements/ideals and you both are right, Peterman clearly is that fit...two late rounders/UDFA's could be C.J. Beathard & Mitch Leidner (lil bit of Ben Roethlisberger to him). They have Peterman going somewhere between the 3rd and 5th rounds. Is this accurate?

He really showed up at the Senior bowl. He got a ton of praise form scouts on footwork and accuracy, I would guess a low 2nd early 3rd all said and done.

This is what his coach said about him...

"Pitt HC Pat Narduzzi compares QB Nathan Peterman to Washington Redskins QB Kirk Cousins as a prospect, according to NFL Network's Mike Mayock.

Narduzzi's opinion on the matter holds weight, as he was on the staff that coached Cousins at Michigan State. A Tennessee transfer, Peterman migrated to Pennsylvania and was a two-year starter for Narduzzi. Peterman threw for 2,855 yards and a 27/7 TD/INT ratio for the Panthers in 2016. Like Cousins, he'll be available on Day 3."

and if you look at their college stats it's near identical

Matt Miller
✔@nfldraftscout

If I had to pick a quarterback winner today, Pitt's Nathan Peterman would be it. Ball zips out. Jimmy Garoppolo lite.

Charles Davis
✔@CFD22

QB Nate Peterman of Pitt is drawing deserved, increased buzz @seniorbowl - Long process, expect his momentum to continue as Draft approaches

Mitch Fairchild @HardCountScout

A small thing but #Pitt QB Nate Peterman seems to have command in the huddle. You can hear his voice throughout the stadium. @seniorbowl

Arthur Arkush @ArthurArkush

Seems like a marginally better day for #seniorbowl South QBs, namely Tiffin's Pipkin, but Nate Peterman best one here-& not sure it's close.

Draft Analyst @DraftAnalyst1

Nate Peterman/QB/Pitt showing good accuracy on short/intermediate throws and to the sideline. Best QB on the field so far today. #SeniorBowl

Daniel Jeremiah compares him to Derrick Carr without the huge arm (even though he avg 9.3 y/a). I think at the very least he's worth drafting in the 3rd and developing, good fit for Kyle IMO.

Thank you for that...those comparisons are similar to what I was thinking as well. This could work out great if we could land him. Like getting the best C, RB, NT and FB in the draft. They are undervalued often and you can get the best ones in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or in the case of FB, much later. Since he's a great fit, and most teams are looking for the "athlete-QB" we could get our WCO-fit-guy to start the 3rd round with the 2nd overall pick, trade back and stockpile or stay pat and go Myles Garrett if available. I like it!
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 8, 2017 at 1:52 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

This my money is on Peterman being a Niner this yr...I like Mitch the most, but not sure they will be going after him at 2 all said and done.

I can live with a bridge type qb like cutler/Hoyer for a yr, draft Peterman (maybe he plays at some point), then going all in on Kirk or a qb next yr.

I can also live with Mitch/Watson if that's what shanny wants

Started watching some video today myself thinking of Kyle's offense and his list of requirements/ideals and you both are right, Peterman clearly is that fit...two late rounders/UDFA's could be C.J. Beathard & Mitch Leidner (lil bit of Ben Roethlisberger to him). They have Peterman going somewhere between the 3rd and 5th rounds. Is this accurate?

He really showed up at the Senior bowl. He got a ton of praise form scouts on footwork and accuracy, I would guess a low 2nd early 3rd all said and done.

This is what his coach said about him...

"Pitt HC Pat Narduzzi compares QB Nathan Peterman to Washington Redskins QB Kirk Cousins as a prospect, according to NFL Network's Mike Mayock.

Narduzzi's opinion on the matter holds weight, as he was on the staff that coached Cousins at Michigan State. A Tennessee transfer, Peterman migrated to Pennsylvania and was a two-year starter for Narduzzi. Peterman threw for 2,855 yards and a 27/7 TD/INT ratio for the Panthers in 2016. Like Cousins, he'll be available on Day 3."

and if you look at their college stats it's near identical

Matt Miller
✔@nfldraftscout

If I had to pick a quarterback winner today, Pitt's Nathan Peterman would be it. Ball zips out. Jimmy Garoppolo lite.

Charles Davis
✔@CFD22

QB Nate Peterman of Pitt is drawing deserved, increased buzz @seniorbowl - Long process, expect his momentum to continue as Draft approaches

Mitch Fairchild @HardCountScout

A small thing but #Pitt QB Nate Peterman seems to have command in the huddle. You can hear his voice throughout the stadium. @seniorbowl

Arthur Arkush @ArthurArkush

Seems like a marginally better day for #seniorbowl South QBs, namely Tiffin's Pipkin, but Nate Peterman best one here-& not sure it's close.

Draft Analyst @DraftAnalyst1

Nate Peterman/QB/Pitt showing good accuracy on short/intermediate throws and to the sideline. Best QB on the field so far today. #SeniorBowl

Daniel Jeremiah compares him to Derrick Carr without the huge arm (even though he avg 9.3 y/a). I think at the very least he's worth drafting in the 3rd and developing, good fit for Kyle IMO.

Thank you for that...those comparisons are similar to what I was thinking as well. This could work out great if we could land him. Like getting the best C, RB, NT and FB in the draft. They are undervalued often and you can get the best ones in the 2nd and 3rd rounds or in the case of FB, much later. Since he's a great fit, and most teams are looking for the "athlete-QB" we could get our WCO-fit-guy to start the 3rd round with the 2nd overall pick, trade back and stockpile or stay pat and go Myles Garrett if available. I like it!

Yup I do like Mitch a lot and wouldn't hate the pick if that's what our staff wants...but I have a feeling they will be going after a vet this off season and could possibly draft Peterman to groom (and possibly play this yr at some point)....THEN either go after Kirk if he doesn't sign a long term deal in 2018 OR take some of those picks and go all in on a QB next draft (say someone like Rosen who's get's compared to Matt Ryan a lot).

I'm cool either way
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