John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Sourball:
John Lynch: "you can tell when a guy is full of it. I believe you can. You can talk straight because you've been there. And I'm not just making this up, I'm telling you 'Here's what we need to see, and don't just tell me with your words, because we need to see it.' Had one of those conversations today. I think it is a huge advantage. You can talk all you want, but show up on the first day of camp in shape and then you'll be speaking to me."
Aaron Lynch?

That's the first player that came to my mind.

Originally posted by JBrack:
Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

Nah, Mike and Kyle were forced to pick RGIII by the owner...they got "their" QB later in round 4 (Kirk Cousins). Kyle goes to the Browns and goes through an identical situation there with Manziel and quickly gets out of there.

Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by Sourball:

John Lynch: "you can tell when a guy is full of it. I believe you can. You can talk straight because you've been there. And I'm not just making this up, I'm telling you 'Here's what we need to see, and don't just tell me with your words, because we need to see it.' Had one of those conversations today. I think it is a huge advantage. You can talk all you want, but show up on the first day of camp in shape and then you'll be speaking to me."
Aaron Lynch?

That's the first player that came to my mind.

Him or Veggietray Humu7nick.

Originally posted by Jcool:
"In their scouting evaluations, the 49ers will create a separate competitiveness/toughness grade, to try and find players who love football the most."

http://www.knbr.com/2017/02/08/john-lynch-details-what-he-and-kyle-shanahans-first-big-project-will-be/

New 49ers GM John Lynch said the team will create an extra "competitiveness and toughness grade" in the hopes of finding prospects "who love football the most."

It is not a revolutionary concept, as it screams "coach speak" and is somewhat expected from a former player. We will never know how much this impacts the team's final decision, but you can surmise that the club will not draft players with questions around their passion for the game. The full interview is interesting, as Lynch adds the team's quarterback search could continue into 2018.

Source: KNBR

Grading "competitiveness and toughness" is going to be a very subjective process. There are only limited ways to quantity such characteristics with much of any degree of objectivity. Never-the-less, I think it is important to try and Lynch might be a guy who can make those kinds of subjective assessments with some "accuracy". I wish Baalke had had such a "competitiveness and toughness" grading system because then there's a good chance he would have (should have) NOT drafted A.J. Jenkins in the first round in 2012. A.J. Jenkins in like the poster boy for why a grading system on "competitiveness and toughness" is an important thing to try to do.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

Nah, Mike and Kyle were forced to pick RGIII by the owner...they got "their" QB later in round 4 (Kirk Cousins). Kyle goes to the Browns and goes through an identical situation there with Manziel and quickly gets out of there.

Thats just speculation. Rg3 was the consensus #2 pick in the draft behind Andrew Luck. Dont kid yourself, he had a record breaking rookie campaign for a reason.

Can you show me proof to support your claims? In the words of John Lynch" dont tell me, show me".

Originally posted by 49erphan:
Grading "competitiveness and toughness" is going to be a very subjective process. There are only limited ways to quantity such characteristics with much of any degree of objectivity. Never-the-less, I think it is important to try and Lynch might be a guy who can make those kinds of subjective assessments with some "accuracy". I wish Baalke had had such a "competitiveness and toughness" grading system because then there's a good chance he would have (should have) NOT drafted A.J. Jenkins in the first round in 2012. A.J. Jenkins in like the poster boy for why a grading system on "competitiveness and toughness" is an important thing to try to do.

Yeah, Jenkins was so physical weak people who watched at practice saw him fall down running routes untouched lol

Originally posted by JBrack:
Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

From what I've read the Shanahan's wanted to pass on RGIII and they liked Cousins. Snyder was in love with RGIII and established the close bond that ruined relationships between the player and coaches.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
sorry late to this one.

What is the Academy and it's relation to the 49ers with this comment ?

Its a scouting school of sorts run by Dan Hatman, a former NFL scout. Several members of their current class got sitdowns with NFL teams at the Senior Bowl, don't know if any were hired though.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Jcool:
"In their scouting evaluations, the 49ers will create a separate competitiveness/toughness grade, to try and find players who love football the most."

http://www.knbr.com/2017/02/08/john-lynch-details-what-he-and-kyle-shanahans-first-big-project-will-be/

New 49ers GM John Lynch said the team will create an extra "competitiveness and toughness grade" in the hopes of finding prospects "who love football the most."

It is not a revolutionary concept, as it screams "coach speak" and is somewhat expected from a former player. We will never know how much this impacts the team's final decision, but you can surmise that the club will not draft players with questions around their passion for the game. The full interview is interesting, as Lynch adds the team's quarterback search could continue into 2018.

Source: KNBR

Grading "competitiveness and toughness" is going to be a very subjective process. There are only limited ways to quantity such characteristics with much of any degree of objectivity. Never-the-less, I think it is important to try and Lynch might be a guy who can make those kinds of subjective assessments with some "accuracy". I wish Baalke had had such a "competitiveness and toughness" grading system because then there's a good chance he would have (should have) NOT drafted A.J. Jenkins in the first round in 2012. A.J. Jenkins in like the poster boy for why a grading system on "competitiveness and toughness" is an important thing to try to do.

He said a lot will go into that grade, like speaking to the player and see if they can detect BS. Speaking to strength coaches, position coaches, and people that can't do anything for the player or gain anything from the player.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by JBrack:

Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

From what I've read the Shanahan's wanted to pass on RGIII and they liked Cousins. Snyder was in love with RGIII and established the close bond that ruined relationships between the player and coaches.

I know the Shanahans dont like him now. But im pretty sure they were singing a different tune when they went from a 5 win team to a 10 win team with a rookie quarterback.

The Shanahans don't like him now because of this...

https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/rg3-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-coaches-meeting-lecture/amp

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. dtg, of these QB's, do you know who played in a pro-style offense? Who has the best pocket-feel (athleticism within the pocket), throws with anticipation, can process very quickly (pre-post snap), is very accurate, best foot work, bright/quick study (WCO), etc. I'm looking for the best WCO fit...which means the best fit could be in the 3rd or 4th rounds (like Kirk Cousins).

DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Mitch Trubisky*, QB, North Carolina Height: 6-3. Weight: 220
Pat Mahomes*, QB, Texas Tech Height: 6-3. Weight: 219
Deshaun Watson*, QB, Clemson Height: 6-2. Weight: 205
Davis Webb, QB, California Height: 6-4. Weight: 229
Brad Kaaya*, QB, Miami Height: 6-4. Weight: 209
Jerod Evans*, QB, Virginia Tech Height: 6-4. Weight: 235
Josh Dobbs, QB, Tennessee Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss Height: 6-2. Weight: 215
Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Alec Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania Height: 6-2. Weight: 220
Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin Height: 6-0. Weight: 225.
Seth Russell, QB, Baylor Height: 6-2. Weight: 203
Tyler Stewart, QB, Nevada Height: 6-4. Weight: 220
Taysom Hill, QB, BYU Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Patrick Towles, QB, Boston College Height: 6-5. Weight: 253
C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa Height: 6-2. Weight: 219
Mitch Leidner, QB, Minnesota Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Gunner Kiel, QB, Cincinnati Height: 6-4. Weight: 208
Greg Ward Jr., QB, Houston Height: 5-11. Weight: 185

Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JBrack:
Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

Nah, Mike and Kyle were forced to pick RGIII by the owner...they got "their" QB later in round 4 (Kirk Cousins). Kyle goes to the Browns and goes through an identical situation there with Manziel and quickly gets out of there.

Thats just speculation. Rg3 was the consensus #2 pick in the draft behind Andrew Luck. Dont kid yourself, he had a record breaking rookie campaign for a reason.

Can you show me proof to support your claims? In the words of John Lynch" dont tell me, show me".

LOL. You can do your own research there. Like Mike said, they'd do what they could to make it work...but...yeah. Same concept with Kyle but he got the hell out of there.

If you know anything about the WCO, there is a reason they are attracted to the aforementioned (both in our history and currently in FA). Even our own Steve Young didn't become the complete QB until he mastered being a pocket passer and only used his legs when in trouble (or by design). But he had to dedicate himself to years and completely buy into becoming that QB.

Can a spread QB grow into that? Sure...but we don't have a Joe Montana currently and a Steve Young coming into the fold years down the road.

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JBrack:
Im not so sure he doesn't want an athletic qb. They drafted rg3 second overall in Washington. Im pretty sure he had some say in that decision. Rg3 ran for over 800 yds that 2012 rookie season with 7 Tds. How much of that was designed or just natural ability I couldn't say. But I can say he looked damn good with Shanahan as his OC.

For the season, Griffin set records for highest passer rating by a rookie quarterback (102.4) and highest touchdown to interception ratio (4:1) (Both since broken by Dak Prescott). Aside from the week 15 game against the Cleveland Browns where he did not play, Griffin played a vital role in helping the Redskins finish the regular season on a 7-game winning streak after starting the season 3–6, leading the team to its first playoff appearance since the 2007 season.

Nah, Mike and Kyle were forced to pick RGIII by the owner...they got "their" QB later in round 4 (Kirk Cousins). Kyle goes to the Browns and goes through an identical situation there with Manziel and quickly gets out of there.

Thats just speculation. Rg3 was the consensus #2 pick in the draft behind Andrew Luck. Dont kid yourself, he had a record breaking rookie campaign for a reason.

Can you show me proof to support your claims? In the words of John Lynch" dont tell me, show me".

Mike didn't want to trade all of those picks when he had a later round Qb in mind in Cousins. He still drafted Cousins.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. dtg, of these QB's, do you know who played in a pro-style offense? Who has the best pocket-feel (athleticism within the pocket), throws with anticipation, can process very quickly (pre-post snap), is very accurate, best foot work, bright/quick study (WCO), etc. I'm looking for the best WCO fit...which means the best fit could be in the 3rd or 4th rounds (like Kirk Cousins).

DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Mitch Trubisky*, QB, North Carolina Height: 6-3. Weight: 220
Pat Mahomes*, QB, Texas Tech Height: 6-3. Weight: 219
Deshaun Watson*, QB, Clemson Height: 6-2. Weight: 205
Davis Webb, QB, California Height: 6-4. Weight: 229
Brad Kaaya*, QB, Miami Height: 6-4. Weight: 209
Jerod Evans*, QB, Virginia Tech Height: 6-4. Weight: 235
Josh Dobbs, QB, Tennessee Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss Height: 6-2. Weight: 215
Nate Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Alec Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania Height: 6-2. Weight: 220
Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin Height: 6-0. Weight: 225.
Seth Russell, QB, Baylor Height: 6-2. Weight: 203
Tyler Stewart, QB, Nevada Height: 6-4. Weight: 220
Taysom Hill, QB, BYU Height: 6-2. Weight: 225
Patrick Towles, QB, Boston College Height: 6-5. Weight: 253
C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa Height: 6-2. Weight: 219
Mitch Leidner, QB, Minnesota Height: 6-4. Weight: 230
Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado Height: 6-3. Weight: 216
Gunner Kiel, QB, Cincinnati Height: 6-4. Weight: 208
Greg Ward Jr., QB, Houston Height: 5-11. Weight: 185

Peterman, Kelly, Beathard, Towles, Kayaa all played in a pro style offense.

To me, Peterman is the most "Shanahan-ish" quarterback, coming out of a pro style offense that called for a lot of moving pockets and bootlegs, very adept at throwing on the run, moving through his progressions, good QB IQ, show consistent improvement in college.

Thanks so much P!

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Originally posted by Jcool:
"In their scouting evaluations, the 49ers will create a separate competitiveness/toughness grade, to try and find players who love football the most."

http://www.knbr.com/2017/02/08/john-lynch-details-what-he-and-kyle-shanahans-first-big-project-will-be/

New 49ers GM John Lynch said the team will create an extra "competitiveness and toughness grade" in the hopes of finding prospects "who love football the most."

It is not a revolutionary concept, as it screams "coach speak" and is somewhat expected from a former player. We will never know how much this impacts the team's final decision, but you can surmise that the club will not draft players with questions around their passion for the game. The full interview is interesting, as Lynch adds the team's quarterback search could continue into 2018.

Source: KNBR

Grading "competitiveness and toughness" is going to be a very subjective process. There are only limited ways to quantity such characteristics with much of any degree of objectivity. Never-the-less, I think it is important to try and Lynch might be a guy who can make those kinds of subjective assessments with some "accuracy". I wish Baalke had had such a "competitiveness and toughness" grading system because then there's a good chance he would have (should have) NOT drafted A.J. Jenkins in the first round in 2012. A.J. Jenkins in like the poster boy for why a grading system on "competitiveness and toughness" is an important thing to try to do.

He said a lot will go into that grade, like speaking to the player and see if they can detect BS. Speaking to strength coaches, position coaches, and people that can't do anything for the player or gain anything from the player.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Lynch was just going to look in a crystal ball and see how much "competitiveness and toughness" a player has. It is an intrinsically mostly subjective process but by looking at many factors and comparing notes with other knowledgeable and savvy people that you trust to have good judgement about those qualities does temper the subjectivity element. I'm glad he is doing it.