John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Absolutely. I've seen time and time again, talented people who are great leaders and communicators overcome lack of experience. These guys "get it", experience on the job is just a formality to what is already a sound vision and way to do things.

People at that top level never do the actual "work" anyway. Its all about setting the vision, getting the right people in place, and overseeing execution. Experience helps you realize when something isn't being done correctly to make sure the "do'ers" don't pull one over on you and give you subpar work, calling out sub-par work, and making high level adjustments at the right time. Lynch carries a lot of respect around the league, I have no doubt he will bring in like minded people who will do great work and I dont think he is afraid at all to ask questions when he needs to which is hard for people at the top sometimes.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I agree and good post, but again the General Manager role is different with every team. I think there's a shift happening right now from traditional role to one that's more evolved. As the league has become more complex and lucrative over the years, it's quite possible that the old traditional GM responsibilities were too much for one person. Sure it's great if you can find one guy who can maintain that workload for long periods of time but on the other hand, maybe it's not such a bad idea to have a "GM" be in that role which is really a HOFO etc. I've always said that titles aren't as important with smaller organizations - it's what you do that matters. At any rate, the folks working with him will be key.

For sure...which is why I originally hated the hire. It IS too much and always has been for one person, let alone one person who has zero experience. There was a reason we were interviewing two GB guys and two Seattle guys. These roles are all so specialized and have become very complex over the years with the CBA. FO's are starting to get bigger and bigger like coaching staffs and that's the way it should be IMHO.

Originally posted by Rascal:
If we ain't taking a QB at 2, then we have no business in the draft in trying to find a legit QB for real.

It is absolutely imperative we to take a QB at 2!! That is my opinion and has always been my opinion. If we take anyone probably other than Trubisky, we are just essentially buying a lottery ticket and that is no QB plan. We need to take a swing like a man!!

Don't ever fall for the dumb saying, oh hey this year's QB class is really thin let's wait till next year. Why? Because every year they same the same sh*t! Plus, in all likelihood, we won't be drafting at No.2 overall again come same time next year which means by then it will cost us the entire farm to trade up to get a top QB.

So Blake Bortles was the right choice for Jacksonville?

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Rascal:

I am telling you, John Lynch ain't playing, man. Just you watch, he has all the resources he needs from Jed to make things happen. He is going to keep making calls to the guys he wants and go hey bro come to the 9ers, how much do you want? OK, no prob. Plus, aside from money, people actually want to work for him, that is a deadly combination when you are trying to put together a good crew!!

This off-season has been A so far. Get us a franchise QB and it's A .

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

I liked when Lynch said he wants players that love to play football and if they don't then he'll get people that do. A focus on the commitment to the game at a high level seems to have been missing the past few seasons after all those vets left (Willis, Justin, Gore). This is a young roster and a relaxed attitude is poison to their development. Time to get guys that eat/sleep football. Questioning talent is fine. Questioning heart is a big problem that can become part of the a team's fabric.

I want leaders!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Let's just call John Lynch what he really is here...President of Football Operations.

That's his role...he'll hire several specialist staff (pro+player personnel) to manage coaching, scouting, the draft and free agency and everyone will report up to him. And he'll have a dotted line relationship with Paraag for contracts and the large analytics department he runs (that could get interesting BTW) and both will report up to Jed.

He'll be the trigger man on draft day, control the 90 and work with Kyle on the 53 (of which, Kyle will be the trigger man).

he'll be tasked for managing all the staff, personalities, connections within the NFL and reshaping our image and building back a Championship culture.

But, big quesiton, NCommand...will peeg have the power to put the kibash on a FA if the salary offered doesn't fit into peeg's formulas? Or or more simply, can Lynch just go and hire whoever he (and kyle) want and peeg has no say as to how much was offered?

This is where I still foresee some sticky dynamics (title discussions as well). At the end of the day, Paraag can still "meddle" in whatever the hell he wants and via Jed, will control free agency spendings and coaching hires/costs. If there is going to be any issue within this front office now, it's going to be John/Adam/Tom/Kyle vs. Paraag (via Jed orders or by his own doings); so, football guys vs. business guys.

That's why I keep going back to free agency. It's obvious John wants to be "aggressive" in everything he does. And if we're constantly linked to every free agent (like always) and come out #2 (like always), the football guys are going to be butting heads with the moneyball/analytic/business guys (Jed/Paraag/Brian).

The next moves are on Jed in fully reshaping this FO as it should, IMHO.

If he removes the President of FO title from Paraag, delegates him (in real life) to contracts and managing the analytics department, setting boundaries, and changes John's title to what it really is and backs off, this could work optimally. Every level then would have a specialist with heads of departments in each who both have dotted line working relationships and both reporting up to Jed for a monthly sleep over.

But...will that REALLY happen? If so, everyone on this website should throw a party. If not, it has the potential to become toxic again and we'll see a repeat cycle.

Unhhh....NC, that didn't sound all that exciting. It means the camel still has his nose under the tent, at the very least, and could put kibash on any high ticket item that Lynch wanted, e.g. IMPACT NT, ILB, OLB, WR, RB, FR QB....how the heck does that help us out? I felt all along last yr it wasn't trent so much as the manacles put on trent by peeg. And it isn't sounding so great this yr either, altho you did make a case for less involvement by peeg.

How the heck, our WTF has to happen to get him outta there?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

I agree and good post, but again the General Manager role is different with every team. I think there's a shift happening right now from traditional role to one that's more evolved. As the league has become more complex and lucrative over the years, it's quite possible that the old traditional GM responsibilities were too much for one person. Sure it's great if you can find one guy who can maintain that workload for long periods of time but on the other hand, maybe it's not such a bad idea to have a "GM" be in that role which is really a HOFO etc. I've always said that titles aren't as important with smaller organizations - it's what you do that matters. At any rate, the folks working with him will be key.

For sure...which is why I originally hated the hire. It IS too much and always has been for one person, let alone one person who has zero experience. There was a reason were were interviewing two GB guys and two Seattle guys. These roles are all so specialized and have become very complex over the years with the CBA. FO's are starting to get bigger and bigger like coaching staffs and that's the way it should be IMHO.

You're right....now i understand TWO GB guys ...before i didn't get it. Thanks

Adam Peters isnt a rookie in any form of scouting. You dont get promoted to head of scouting by not having some credentials. Some of you guys laughing on the last two pages are so damn gullible. Add something informative about Peters or Lynch into the thread instead of posting emojis and dumbass gifs all the time.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I would pay 40% of the entire contract in the first year to the 2-3 top free agents they want. That's especially true if they go the rookie QB route. Take the cap hit in 2017 and have 4-5 years of easy cap management. Few teams will be willing to compete with that even if overall dollars are the same.

This is good idea. Rookie QB deals are relatively inexpensive, so front-load some of the FA contracts while you can spend the money, in order to get them in the door.

Yup. Money is the only thing that matters in FA. Niners can let the market determine the players worth and then say "Okay. We'll match the years and dollars. Also, we'll pay you 40% of it right now."

They can also get out of big guaranteed dollars (which are pro rated for cap purposes) since that massive Year 1 payout is essentially guaranteed.

That is really a cool idea okdkid...excellent post.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Rascal:
If we ain't taking a QB at 2, then we have no business in the draft in trying to find a legit QB for real.

It is absolutely imperative we to take a QB at 2!! That is my opinion and has always been my opinion. If we take anyone probably other than Trubisky, we are just essentially buying a lottery ticket and that is no QB plan. We need to take a swing like a man!!

Don't ever fall for the dumb saying, oh hey this year's QB class is really thin let's wait till next year. Why? Because every year they same the same sh*t! Plus, in all likelihood, we won't be drafting at No.2 overall again come same time next year which means by then it will cost us the entire farm to trade up to get a top QB.

So Blake Bortles was the right choice for Jacksonville?

No, what Jacksonville should have done was to draft Derek Carr.

They didn't fxxk up on the concept of drafting a top QB, but they fxxked up by picking the wrong QB.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Unhhh....NC, that didn't sound all that exciting. It means the camel still has his nose under the tent, at the very least, and could put kibash on any high ticket item that Lynch wanted, e.g. IMPACT NT, ILB, OLB, WR, RB, FR QB....how the heck does that help us out? I felt all along last yr it wasn't trent so much as the manacles put on trent by peeg. And it isn't sounding so great this yr either, altho you did make a case for less involvement by peeg.

How the heck, our WTF has to happen to get him outta there?

I guess it's all TBD. It's still Jed and Paraag at the top. Period. So we'll see. But from what I gathered from Lynch, he was a straight shooter with both men. I hope, somewhere in these conversations, they defined each others roles and put it down on paper. I hope there was enough out there for Lynch to raise that red flag issue with Paraag and his "meddling." It certainly sounds like the "leaks" were addressed. With Lynch, there is hope he can shield/fend off the business side a bit. The 6 year contract also helps b/c no way does Jed want to go through another Baalke/Harbaugh debacle again and have John run back to the media for a job AND pay him a ton left on his contract.

In short...there's hope.

Originally posted by okdkid:
As a General Manager he will absolutely be informed on how it transpires. Also, it's an in-house lesson on how contracts/players can go bad.

lol of course he will be informed on it. Doesn't mean he will be dealing with it at all.

Originally posted by thl408:

This Peters guy hasn't done much from what I'm reading. 2016 was his first season as Director of college scouting and we have not seen the results of his work since it's this upcoming 2017 draft where the results will be seen. Before that he was an area scout. Which area?

From his Broncos profile:

Adam Peters is in his first season as director of college scouting for the Broncos and his eighth season overall with the franchise. He was the club's assistant director of college scouting from 2014-15 following three years as a national scout and two seasons scouting the Western region for the team.

In Peters' 13 NFL seasons, he has been part of three Super Bowls, five conference titles and 10 division crowns. In his first seven years with Denver, Peters helped the team acquire 27 players thought the draft and college free agency that were members of the Super Bowl 50 championship roster.



He was considered their top scout and a guy who will be a GM soon. This is a great hire. He worked with two winning franchises (Patriots/Broncos)

sources tell me Peters has played through several seasons on Madden Franchise Mode and won at least 4 superbowls.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by okdkid:
I would pay 40% of the entire contract in the first year to the 2-3 top free agents they want. That's especially true if they go the rookie QB route. Take the cap hit in 2017 and have 4-5 years of easy cap management. Few teams will be willing to compete with that even if overall dollars are the same.

This is good idea. Rookie QB deals are relatively inexpensive, so front-load some of the FA contracts while you can spend the money, in order to get them in the door.

Yup. Money is the only thing that matters in FA. Niners can let the market determine the players worth and then say "Okay. We'll match the years and dollars. Also, we'll pay you 40% of it right now."

They can also get out of big guaranteed dollars (which are pro rated for cap purposes) since that massive Year 1 payout is essentially guaranteed.

That is really a cool idea okdkid...excellent post.

You got it.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

sources tell me Peters has played through several seasons on Madden Franchise Mode and won at least 4 superbowls.

I'm sold. Wait what difficulty.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by thl408:
This Peters guy hasn't done much from what I'm reading. 2016 was his first season as Director of college scouting and we have not seen the results of his work since it's this upcoming 2017 draft where the results will be seen. Before that he was an area scout. Which area?

just great another rookie

Thanks thl...I was about to put in some time on another spreadsheet. LOL