John Lynch - 49ers GM

It's a figure of speech EVA

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lynch is not a real GM. Baalke wasn't a real GM either. The reason the strategies of the two seem similar is the same reason we were turned away by the various GM candidates we interviewed or tried to interview: Paraag Marathe and Jed are the actual GMs and refuse to take a backseat. We havent had a legitimate GM since McCloughan, who was shown the door shortly after Jed took over.

Alarm bells should have sounded in everybody's head when the Niners openly admitted Paraag made the draft day trade with the Bears in '17, after the offseason of victory laps for hiring Shanahan to an ungodly contract. How many fluff pieces did we see on Marathe that offseason? A lot.

They blamed the state of the organization on Baalke, and got a good portion of the fan base to believe it when they sent him packing.

We have a brilliant offensive coach who is hopefully not over his head as a HC, and we have a very nice prospect at QB. The roster is a couple years away from contention, and it will take competence, luck, and money to get there.

LOL, stop. Lynch isn't the type of guy to be pushed around or told what to do. He had a perfectly cushy gig as a broadcaster, working just part of the year, being paid well and being able to take as much time off as he wanted. He doesn't sign up for this job to be York or Marathe's lap dog. Baalke may have been desperate enough, Lynch doesn't need any of it. Shanahan also isn't the type to be bossed around. His dad didn't take s**t from anyone, even had Grbac gun a football at Al Davis's head once, I'm guessing Kyle isn't a whole lot different. He's the same dude that put together a Powerpoint on why the Browns should let him out of his contract once he decided that they were a complete disaster. The 49ers aren't making or not making moves without his explicit approval.

Both Lynch and Shanahan have fully guaranteed 6 year contracts. Rarely do you see a coach or GM with fully guaranteed contracts with no offsets included. That means they have the freedom to tell either Jed or Marathe to go eat a dick if they start interfering with their business. All we've heard thus far is that everyone within the front office has an excellent working relationship, even Kawakami has praised them for their ability to work towards a common shared goal.

People are just mad because these guys aren't valuing players the same way the fans are. The best offer for Gordon was a 6th round pick. New England doesn't have a 6th rounder so they offered a conditional 5th with a 7th coming back from Cleveland potentially. That says a crapload of other NFL teams with needs at WR decided to take a hard pass on Gordon because the guy has missed 54 out of his past 65 games.

Lots of teams don't want to deal with any potential drama. New England doesn't care, they take headcases all the time and can handle them because of their existing structure with veteran leadership, a Hall of Fame QB and a head coach that never has to worry about losing his locker room. You either do it their way or they crush you. Makes sense that they would take a chance on Gordon, the 49ers aren't in that position with a young locker room, a young head coach and GM still trying to establish themselves and build something long term. You don't accomplish that with erratic players who average 2 games a season because they can't stop getting high on every drug in the pharmacy.

For better or worse, Lynch and Shanahan will build this team in the manner they see fit, whether people approve or disapprove. All we can do is hope that the end results turn out to be something very good.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Smokey ain't wrong

What was his point? That balke ran the team into the ground. And now Lynch has the team on the rise and is a year or two away from being serious contenders? How is that a bash on Lynch isn't that what good gms doe build through the draft and sprinkle in free agents?

Probably already mentioned, but we don't have a 5th in next year's draft. I bet that was the deciding factor!

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'm judging the GM on the direction of the team. The direction is up. As for not likely, your opinion, but it was pretty much all but a formality Cousins was coming here until JG was traded here. And if you think the team is still garbage, just keep watching.

Well the direction can only be up. What was our record when Jimmy stepped in?

We're better run than the Browns, that's about all we've proven so far

We beat the Lions, but not better than the Lions? Have you seen the Cards this year? The Raiders? The Bills? Pittsburgh? Yes the Steelers that tied the Browns. Come off the ledge. As for our record when Jimmy stepped in, it's September 2018 not October 2017. We are not 0-9. The direction could also be down.

And this fanbase calls Jed York impatient.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lynch is not a real GM. Baalke wasn't a real GM either. The reason the strategies of the two seem similar is the same reason we were turned away by the various GM candidates we interviewed or tried to interview: Paraag Marathe and Jed are the actual GMs and refuse to take a backseat. We havent had a legitimate GM since McCloughan, who was shown the door shortly after Jed took over.

Alarm bells should have sounded in everybody's head when the Niners openly admitted Paraag made the draft day trade with the Bears in '17, after the offseason of victory laps for hiring Shanahan to an ungodly contract. How many fluff pieces did we see on Marathe that offseason? A lot.

They blamed the state of the organization on Baalke, and got a good portion of the fan base to believe it when they sent him packing.

We have a brilliant offensive coach who is hopefully not over his head as a HC, and we have a very nice prospect at QB. The roster is a couple years away from contention, and it will take competence, luck, and money to get there.

LOL, stop. Lynch isn't the type of guy to be pushed around or told what to do. He had a perfectly cushy gig as a broadcaster, working just part of the year, being paid well and being able to take as much time off as he wanted. He doesn't sign up for this job to be York or Marathe's lap dog. Baalke may have been desperate enough, Lynch doesn't need any of it. Shanahan also isn't the type to be bossed around. His dad didn't take s**t from anyone, even had Grbac gun a football at Al Davis's head once, I'm guessing Kyle isn't a whole lot different. He's the same dude that put together a Powerpoint on why the Browns should let him out of his contract once he decided that they were a complete disaster. The 49ers aren't making or not making moves without his explicit approval.

People are just mad because these guys aren't valuing players the same way the fans are. The best offer for Gordon was a 6th round pick. New England doesn't have a 6th rounder so they offered a conditional 5th with a 7th coming back from Cleveland potentially. That says a crapload of other NFL teams with needs at WR decided to take a hard pass on Gordon because the guy has missed 54 out of his past 65 games.

Lots of teams don't want to deal with any potential drama. New England doesn't care, they take headcases all the time and can handle them because of their existing structure with veteran leadership, a Hall of Fame QB and a head coach that never has to worry about losing his locker room. You either do it their way or they crush you. Makes sense that they would take a chance on Gordon, the 49ers aren't in that position with a young locker room, a young head coach and GM still trying to establish themselves and build something long term. You don't accomplish that with erratic players who average 2 games a season because they can't stop getting high on every drug in the pharmacy.

For better or worse, Lynch and Shanahan will build this team in the manner they see fit, whether people approve or disapprove. All we can do is hope that the end results turn out to be something very good.

All of this. Lynch even challenged York to keep it a secret cause he told him about the criticism about the open mouth the FO seems to have. Kyle also gave them a blunt and harsh assessment of the state of the team. No freaking way Those 2 strong personalities would take a back seat to anyone. But Lynch does admit he needs help and thats alright. Thats why we got guy like Mayhew and Peters helping him out. There's nothing that really warrants that theory.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
All of this. Lynch even challenged York to keep it a secret cause he told him about the criticism about the open mouth the FO seems to have. Kyle also gave them a blunt and harsh assessment of the state of the team. No freaking way Those 2 strong personalities would take a back seat to anyone. But Lynch does admit he needs help and thats alright. Thats why we got guy like Mayhew and Peters helping him out. There's nothing that really warrants that theory.

There really isn't. You to have to set aside common sense and logic to buy into that stuff at this point. These aren't guys that are bottom of the barrel or desperate. Lynch has no personnel experience but he had a perfectly suitable job as a broadcaster with lots of time off. Earned good money, doesn't need to take crap from anyone. He's a Hall of Fame caliber former player who has seen how great organizations work, he's also seen dysfunction. Its hard to imagine that he'd have much tolerance for an environment where he was being micromanaged constantly. Kyle could go be an OC pretty much anywhere in the NFL and would easily find another HC gig. He's seen how things should be run, growing up with his dad, being around the 49ers and Broncos organizations during eras of great success. To think that he'd be perfectly content with being someone's puppet is ludicrous.

Its time to let go of the conspiracy theories as a cover for trying to explain an approach to rebuilding that may vary with that of what the fans are expecting/demanding. These guys are on Year 2 of 6 year contracts, they'll build the team at their pace and in the way they see best for promoting long term success.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Lynch is not a real GM. Baalke wasn't a real GM either. The reason the strategies of the two seem similar is the same reason we were turned away by the various GM candidates we interviewed or tried to interview: Paraag Marathe and Jed are the actual GMs and refuse to take a backseat. We havent had a legitimate GM since McCloughan, who was shown the door shortly after Jed took over.

Alarm bells should have sounded in everybody's head when the Niners openly admitted Paraag made the draft day trade with the Bears in '17, after the offseason of victory laps for hiring Shanahan to an ungodly contract. How many fluff pieces did we see on Marathe that offseason? A lot.

They blamed the state of the organization on Baalke, and got a good portion of the fan base to believe it when they sent him packing.

We have a brilliant offensive coach who is hopefully not over his head as a HC, and we have a very nice prospect at QB. The roster is a couple years away from contention, and it will take competence, luck, and money to get there.

LOL, stop. Lynch isn't the type of guy to be pushed around or told what to do. He had a perfectly cushy gig as a broadcaster, working just part of the year, being paid well and being able to take as much time off as he wanted. He doesn't sign up for this job to be York or Marathe's lap dog. Baalke may have been desperate enough, Lynch doesn't need any of it. Shanahan also isn't the type to be bossed around. His dad didn't take s**t from anyone, even had Grbac gun a football at Al Davis's head once, I'm guessing Kyle isn't a whole lot different. He's the same dude that put together a Powerpoint on why the Browns should let him out of his contract once he decided that they were a complete disaster. The 49ers aren't making or not making moves without his explicit approval.

Both Lynch and Shanahan have fully guaranteed 6 year contracts. Rarely do you see a coach or GM with fully guaranteed contracts with no offsets included. That means they have the freedom to tell either Jed or Marathe to go eat a dick if they start interfering with their business. All we've heard thus far is that everyone within the front office has an excellent working relationship, even Kawakami has praised them for their ability to work towards a common shared goal.

People are just mad because these guys aren't valuing players the same way the fans are. The best offer for Gordon was a 6th round pick. New England doesn't have a 6th rounder so they offered a conditional 5th with a 7th coming back from Cleveland potentially. That says a crapload of other NFL teams with needs at WR decided to take a hard pass on Gordon because the guy has missed 54 out of his past 65 games.

Lots of teams don't want to deal with any potential drama. New England doesn't care, they take headcases all the time and can handle them because of their existing structure with veteran leadership, a Hall of Fame QB and a head coach that never has to worry about losing his locker room. You either do it their way or they crush you. Makes sense that they would take a chance on Gordon, the 49ers aren't in that position with a young locker room, a young head coach and GM still trying to establish themselves and build something long term. You don't accomplish that with erratic players who average 2 games a season because they can't stop getting high on every drug in the pharmacy.

For better or worse, Lynch and Shanahan will build this team in the manner they see fit, whether people approve or disapprove. All we can do is hope that the end results turn out to be something very good.

So we're gonna act like McCloughan didn't drink his way out of here.....also those 2 drafts he ran (2008 and 2009) were absolutely horrendous.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

There really isn't. You to have to set aside common sense and logic to buy into that stuff at this point. These aren't guys that are bottom of the barrel or desperate. Lynch has no personnel experience but he had a perfectly suitable job as a broadcaster with lots of time off. Earned good money, doesn't need to take crap from anyone. He's a Hall of Fame caliber former player who has seen how great organizations work, he's also seen dysfunction. Its hard to imagine that he'd have much tolerance for an environment where he was being micromanaged constantly. Kyle could go be an OC pretty much anywhere in the NFL and would easily find another HC gig. He's seen how things should be run, growing up with his dad, being around the 49ers and Broncos organizations during eras of great success. To think that he'd be perfectly content with being someone's puppet is ludicrous.

Its time to let go of the conspiracy theories as a cover for trying to explain an approach to rebuilding that may vary with that of what the fans are expecting/demanding. These guys are on Year 2 of 6 year contracts, they'll build the team at their pace and in the way they see best for promoting long term success.

But, but Jed's bald spot......

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There really isn't. You to have to set aside common sense and logic to buy into that stuff at this point. These aren't guys that are bottom of the barrel or desperate. Lynch has no personnel experience but he had a perfectly suitable job as a broadcaster with lots of time off. Earned good money, doesn't need to take crap from anyone. He's a Hall of Fame caliber former player who has seen how great organizations work, he's also seen dysfunction. Its hard to imagine that he'd have much tolerance for an environment where he was being micromanaged constantly. Kyle could go be an OC pretty much anywhere in the NFL and would easily find another HC gig. He's seen how things should be run, growing up with his dad, being around the 49ers and Broncos organizations during eras of great success. To think that he'd be perfectly content with being someone's puppet is ludicrous.

Its time to let go of the conspiracy theories as a cover for trying to explain an approach to rebuilding that may vary with that of fans.

It's not as if this is all that complicated, either: they had about 18 starters and the entire depth of the team they wanted to replace. That takes 3-4 offseasons, not two.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
LOL, stop. Lynch isn't the type of guy to be pushed around or told what to do. He had a perfectly cushy gig as a broadcaster, working just part of the year, being paid well and being able to take as much time off as he wanted. He doesn't sign up for this job to be York or Marathe's lap dog. Baalke may have been desperate enough, Lynch doesn't need any of it. Shanahan also isn't the type to be bossed around. His dad didn't take s**t from anyone, even had Grbac gun a football at Al Davis's head once, I'm guessing Kyle isn't a whole lot different. He's the same dude that put together a Powerpoint on why the Browns should let him out of his contract once he decided that they were a complete disaster. The 49ers aren't making or not making moves without his explicit approval.

Both Lynch and Shanahan have fully guaranteed 6 year contracts. Rarely do you see a coach or GM with fully guaranteed contracts with no offsets included. That means they have the freedom to tell either Jed or Marathe to go eat a dick if they start interfering with their business. All we've heard thus far is that everyone within the front office has an excellent working relationship, even Kawakami has praised them for their ability to work towards a common shared goal.

People are just mad because these guys aren't valuing players the same way the fans are. The best offer for Gordon was a 6th round pick. New England doesn't have a 6th rounder so they offered a conditional 5th with a 7th coming back from Cleveland potentially. That says a crapload of other NFL teams with needs at WR decided to take a hard pass on Gordon because the guy has missed 54 out of his past 65 games.

Lots of teams don't want to deal with any potential drama. New England doesn't care, they take headcases all the time and can handle them because of their existing structure with veteran leadership, a Hall of Fame QB and a head coach that never has to worry about losing his locker room. You either do it their way or they crush you. Makes sense that they would take a chance on Gordon, the 49ers aren't in that position with a young locker room, a young head coach and GM still trying to establish themselves and build something long term. You don't accomplish that with erratic players who average 2 games a season because they can't stop getting high on every drug in the pharmacy.

For better or worse, Lynch and Shanahan will build this team in the manner they see fit, whether people approve or disapprove. All we can do is hope that the end results turn out to be something very good.

This. Good post by someone who's paying attention and gets it about where this team is now and where it's trying to go with Lynch & Shanahan running things. As for the last sentence, it's "for better" in my mind - I have complete confidence in them and what they're doing. I'm looking forward to the rest of this season and beyond.

Originally posted by Niners816:
So we're gonna act like McCloughan didn't drink his way out of here.....also those 2 drafts he ran (2008 and 2009) were absolutely horrendous.

McCloughan was shown the door after spending a big chunk of the 2010 offseason in rehab, he showed up, apparently relapsed and was gone. Since then, two other teams have let him go for the same issue. Trying to make it an issue of Jed having pushed him out as some sort of wacky power play just doesn't add up. The guy is a legit alcoholic, he's struggled with it, apparently he continues to struggle with it. I hope he gets all the help he needs but I don't blame teams from moving on from him. Having an unstable, erratic executive with a drinking problem is not good for business, though the Redskins certainly could have handled it in a much more classy fashion. He's an amazing scout but you need a lot more than that from your GM.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There really isn't. You to have to set aside common sense and logic to buy into that stuff at this point. These aren't guys that are bottom of the barrel or desperate. Lynch has no personnel experience but he had a perfectly suitable job as a broadcaster with lots of time off. Earned good money, doesn't need to take crap from anyone. He's a Hall of Fame caliber former player who has seen how great organizations work, he's also seen dysfunction. Its hard to imagine that he'd have much tolerance for an environment where he was being micromanaged constantly. Kyle could go be an OC pretty much anywhere in the NFL and would easily find another HC gig. He's seen how things should be run, growing up with his dad, being around the 49ers and Broncos organizations during eras of great success. To think that he'd be perfectly content with being someone's puppet is ludicrous.

Its time to let go of the conspiracy theories as a cover for trying to explain an approach to rebuilding that may vary with that of fans.

It's not as if this is all that complicated, either: they had about 18 starters and the entire depth of the team they wanted to replace. That takes 3-4 offseasons, not two.

Yeah but fans will be fans and we have the right to be overhyped and over critical about everything. I think this new regime is definitely in the right direction. The only thing that changed is a little bit higher expectations due getting Jimmy. Besides that, I think we're right on track. If you look at the defense, barely any of them besides Sherman is over 25. I'll start getting critical next season if we don't start seriously contending for a top seed.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Smokey ain't wrong

What was his point? That balke ran the team into the ground. And now Lynch has the team on the rise and is a year or two away from being serious contenders? How is that a bash on Lynch isn't that what good gms doe build through the draft and sprinkle in free agents?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Lynch is not a real GM. Baalke wasn't a real GM either. The reason the strategies of the two seem similar is the same reason we were turned away by the various GM candidates we interviewed or tried to interview: Paraag Marathe and Jed are the actual GMs and refuse to take a backseat. We havent had a legitimate GM since McCloughan, who was shown the door shortly after Jed took over.

Alarm bells should have sounded in everybody's head when the Niners openly admitted Paraag made the draft day trade with the Bears in '17, after the offseason of victory laps for hiring Shanahan to an ungodly contract. How many fluff pieces did we see on Marathe that offseason? A lot.

They blamed the state of the organization on Baalke, and got a good portion of the fan base to believe it when they sent him packing.

We have a brilliant offensive coach who is hopefully not over his head as a HC, and we have a very nice prospect at QB. The roster is a couple years away from contention, and it will take competence, luck, and money to get there.

LOL, stop. Lynch isn't the type of guy to be pushed around or told what to do. He had a perfectly cushy gig as a broadcaster, working just part of the year, being paid well and being able to take as much time off as he wanted. He doesn't sign up for this job to be York or Marathe's lap dog. Baalke may have been desperate enough, Lynch doesn't need any of it. Shanahan also isn't the type to be bossed around. His dad didn't take s**t from anyone, even had Grbac gun a football at Al Davis's head once, I'm guessing Kyle isn't a whole lot different. He's the same dude that put together a Powerpoint on why the Browns should let him out of his contract once he decided that they were a complete disaster. The 49ers aren't making or not making moves without his explicit approval.

Both Lynch and Shanahan have fully guaranteed 6 year contracts. Rarely do you see a coach or GM with fully guaranteed contracts with no offsets included. That means they have the freedom to tell either Jed or Marathe to go eat a dick if they start interfering with their business. All we've heard thus far is that everyone within the front office has an excellent working relationship, even Kawakami has praised them for their ability to work towards a common shared goal.

People are just mad because these guys aren't valuing players the same way the fans are. The best offer for Gordon was a 6th round pick. New England doesn't have a 6th rounder so they offered a conditional 5th with a 7th coming back from Cleveland potentially. That says a crapload of other NFL teams with needs at WR decided to take a hard pass on Gordon because the guy has missed 54 out of his past 65 games.

Lots of teams don't want to deal with any potential drama. New England doesn't care, they take headcases all the time and can handle them because of their existing structure with veteran leadership, a Hall of Fame QB and a head coach that never has to worry about losing his locker room. You either do it their way or they crush you. Makes sense that they would take a chance on Gordon, the 49ers aren't in that position with a young locker room, a young head coach and GM still trying to establish themselves and build something long term. You don't accomplish that with erratic players who average 2 games a season because they can't stop getting high on every drug in the pharmacy.

For better or worse, Lynch and Shanahan will build this team in the manner they see fit, whether people approve or disapprove. All we can do is hope that the end results turn out to be something very good.

Originally posted by gold49digger:

All of this. Lynch even challenged York to keep it a secret cause he told him about the criticism about the open mouth the FO seems to have. Kyle also gave them a blunt and harsh assessment of the state of the team. No freaking way Those 2 strong personalities would take a back seat to anyone. But Lynch does admit he needs help and thats alright. Thats why we got guy like Mayhew and Peters helping him out. There's nothing that really warrants that theory.

Originally posted by gold49digger:

All of this. Lynch even challenged York to keep it a secret cause he told him about the criticism about the open mouth the FO seems to have. Kyle also gave them a blunt and harsh assessment of the state of the team. No freaking way Those 2 strong personalities would take a back seat to anyone. But Lynch does admit he needs help and thats alright. Thats why we got guy like Mayhew and Peters helping him out. There's nothing that really warrants that theory.

Our new GM, who has a clear talent in communication, came out publicly and addressed a known concern among a fanbase that was demonstrably upset with the team's leadership.

It amazes me that people put any credibility in that story for two reasons:

1. It came from the team.
2. Not leaking about something for a temporary period really means nothing.


Some people's interpretations of the last hiring cycle really boggle my mind. Taking clear negatives (from leak tests to ironclad contracts)and spinning them as positives.