John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle can only scheme so much. He was having Juice, Morris and Breida stay in to block (2 total receptions). Celek and Kittle too. You can only scheme around a poor OL so much and G's are a huge part of that.

I'd be happy if we can just get UP to average play.

Are the 49ers going to be facing the Vikings DL every single week for the rest of the season? Do you honestly expect this to be the situation every single week, against every single DL in football? Is it perhaps entirely possible that you are putting too much into the results of one game against possibly the best DL in football?

Great defenses and great DL's will get to your QB, even if you do have a good offensive line. Remember Brady versus the Giants in the SB?

Remember the 49ers beating the hell out of Eli Manning in the NFC Championship despite the Giants OL having been ranked the 6th best pass blocking unit in the NFL that year? That OL gave up almost 20 fewer sacks than the 49ers did that year and Eli still got clobbered in the 2nd half of that game.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011



Trying to determine the outcome of the OL's entire season based on one lone game against one of the top 3 defenses in football is a faulty premise at best.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Not sure how I feel about Spoon or Colber. Mini marched down the field at will. The saving grace was our TOP ( time of possession)

Btw, we where historically bad vs run. No where to go but up from there. It's not like we are the 2011 Niners.

Cousins never pushed the ball down the field, really not much Colbert can do. The dinking and dunking killed us with Coyle on the field.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Apparently, the Patriots, who is probably the best ran football team in the NFL, saw value in Brown. The Patriots rarely trade away draft picks for players and they traded a mid -round pick to get this guy. Despite Brown's weight and health concern, the Patriots took a gamble and it's going to pay off. You don't let premier pass protectors and pass rushers go, ever. This move will pay dividends for the patriots and will hurt the 49ers. But hey, Lynch used that 3rd round pick to draft a kid that is not even playing or has not even impressed the coaching staff. That's how you build a successful franchise.

#brickbybrick

Dude the Patriots have been trading picks for players for years. They traded a 2nd rounder for Kony Ealy only to cut him a few months later. They have always been willing to gamble on players, whether it is through FA or trades.

and will hurt the 49ers.

The 49ers were going to let him walk no matter what, especially once he came in at 380 pounds so I'm not sure how getting something back for a guy they weren't going to keep hurts them. People keep harping about keeping Brown but the reality is that he wasn't fitting into the offense and he wasn't going to fit into the offense. They traded him to a team that runs a scheme that is absolutely conducive to maximizing his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses. Unless the argument is that Shanahan should have revamped his entire offense for one offensive lineman, I'm not sure where you're going with this? Tackle is not a problem for this team, right guard is.

Good thing.
Setting an example for guys showing up way overweight.

I don't remember ever having this many rookies stepping into the starting lineup mostly due to injuries and have the mindset to fill in capably, this year and last.

Must credit Lynch picking up guys with the right football mindset. Being a former player probably helped in this regard.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

So this can be evaluated two ways: either they were all in on the rebuild of the OL which means they're giving guys a chance to play with the downside of their QB getting hit too much or someone told them Cooper would actually recover in time - which raises another question that resonates in another area.

You know where I'm going.

Strength/Conditioning/Medical evals. I still think there's something up there that we aren't seeing. Too many things IMHO are off relative to the rest of the league.

I'm with this! The medical staff (and S&C staff) is a very serious concern of mine going back to the Alex Smith days. I too wonder, with all the soft tissue issues, #3 most injured team on a 4-year aggregate (and year 5 starting out the same exact way), what the hell is going on here?

I can somewhat understand an example like Cooper; they figured he'd be on a timeline to return to health in time to compete. Garnett was coming off I.R. for a knee also. Person was originally brought in to back up Richburg. But it had to become pretty apparent very early that Cooper's knee and Garnett's knee wasn't responding well. Someone is monitoring this, right? Kyle Shanahan certainly didn't seem to be informed of what's going on. The McKinnon injury was even more suspicious. Then on the flip side, Marquise Goodwin is spotted dancing in the locker room two days ago and the next day, he's being ruled out. What gives?

We're going in to week 2 and these players are on I.R. or already settled with d/t injuries:
Jerick McKinnon
Malcolm Johnson
Aaron Burbridge
J.P. Flynn
Kentavius Street
Dekoda Watson
Marcell Harris
Brock Coyle
Max McCaffrey
Terrell Williams Jr.
Joe Williams

#3 most injured team, however, does that take into account its a lot of the same guys getting hurt year in and year out, the wards, the AA's, etc??

Major flaws on the training of some teams groups.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

I don't remember ever having this many rookies stepping into the starting lineup mostly due to injuries and have the mindset to fill in capably, this year and last.

Must credit Lynch picking up guys with the right football mindset. Being a former player probably helped in this regard.

What's exciting is seeing that some of these rookies actually belong and weren't just of a product of garbage upgrading garbage.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
What's exciting is seeing that some of these rookies actually belong and weren't just of a product of garbage upgrading garbage.

Also a big difference between being standouts and contributing positively...
How many of these rookies will be champions?

Originally posted by 4-islander-9:

Also a big difference between being standouts and contributing positively...
How many of these rookies will be champions?

16

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 4-islander-9:
Also a big difference between being standouts and contributing positively...
How many of these rookies will be champions?

16

You're like opposite of Negative Nancy.
I like it!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Great point about Brown. The dude tore his rotator cuff (the same injury that required surgery for AA and just put Josh Sitton on I.R. for the year), yet he's asked to 'play through it?' And then the coaching staff get pissed he didn't 'play through it?' He did in the Bears game and then got more hurt. WTF is wrong with this medical staff and communication with the coaching staff?

Brown tore his labrum, that is a separate injury from a torn rotator cuff.

Thanks for the clarification but both require corrective surgery.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Are the 49ers going to be facing the Vikings DL every single week for the rest of the season? Do you honestly expect this to be the situation every single week, against every single DL in football? Is it perhaps entirely possible that you are putting too much into the results of one game against possibly the best DL in football?

Great defenses and great DL's will get to your QB, even if you do have a good offensive line. Remember Brady versus the Giants in the SB?

Remember the 49ers beating the hell out of Eli Manning in the NFC Championship despite the Giants OL having been ranked the 6th best pass blocking unit in the NFL that year? That OL gave up almost 20 fewer sacks than the 49ers did that year and Eli still got clobbered in the 2nd half of that game.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2011



Trying to determine the outcome of the OL's entire season based on one lone game against one of the top 3 defenses in football is a faulty premise at best.

Vikings? Who cares about the Vikings? We haven't had above average G play here since 2012.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

So this can be evaluated two ways: either they were all in on the rebuild of the OL which means they're giving guys a chance to play with the downside of their QB getting hit too much or someone told them Cooper would actually recover in time - which raises another question that resonates in another area.

You know where I'm going.

Strength/Conditioning/Medical evals. I still think there's something up there that we aren't seeing. Too many things IMHO are off relative to the rest of the league.

I'm with this! The medical staff (and S&C staff) is a very serious concern of mine going back to the Alex Smith days. I too wonder, with all the soft tissue issues, #3 most injured team on a 4-year aggregate (and year 5 starting out the same exact way), what the hell is going on here?

I can somewhat understand an example like Cooper; they figured he'd be on a timeline to return to health in time to compete. Garnett was coming off I.R. for a knee also. Person was originally brought in to back up Richburg. But it had to become pretty apparent very early that Cooper's knee and Garnett's knee wasn't responding well. Someone is monitoring this, right? Kyle Shanahan certainly didn't seem to be informed of what's going on. The McKinnon injury was even more suspicious. Then on the flip side, Marquise Goodwin is spotted dancing in the locker room two days ago and the next day, he's being ruled out. What gives?

We're going in to week 2 and these players are on I.R. or already settled with d/t injuries:
Jerick McKinnon
Malcolm Johnson
Aaron Burbridge
J.P. Flynn
Kentavius Street
Dekoda Watson
Marcell Harris
Brock Coyle
Max McCaffrey
Terrell Williams Jr.
Joe Williams

#3 most injured team, however, does that take into account its a lot of the same guys getting hurt year in and year out, the wards, the AA's, etc??

No, it just takes into account quantity AND quality of injuries. If it's the same players every year, that's still counted...and really, more on the FO evaluations than anything.

Originally posted by 4-islander-9:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 4-islander-9:

Also a big difference between being standouts and contributing positively...
How many of these rookies will be champions?

16

You're like opposite of Negative Nancy.
I like it!

Ain't nobody got time to be all sissy lala. It doesn't really pay to be negative all the time imo.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Vikings? Who cares about the Vikings? We haven't had above average G play here since 2012.

Name me all the pro-bowl guards shanahan has had at his previous nfl teams? Pretty sure he's put up some good offensive numbers without zack Martin on his squad.