49ers Week 10 2016 - Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Fair enough summary, Marv.
Kap...definitely looking better, but looks nowhere near a 5th or 6th yr QB. He's adios at yr's end.

As for Garrett, he may be pretty tough to get with Brown's sitting on no Ws.

Like your DeFO and AA comments...and no, AAshould not have played this yr...but I understand why he did.

Hyde....agree, adios .Sad.

OL hasn't looked that good, but s till I like them better than you do.

NT...great if we sign Ian...but I count on him for NOTHING. If Garrett is gone, and there is a bono fide NT, take him...ideally, this. Is where I would overpay 3X to get a stud in FA.

Kerley IS our slot guy, no question, and Ward is the real deal

Leaving QB. No 2016 QB on team now makes it here next yr. Draft one QB high, one middle and one late..

Thanks Marvin, I had the same stance on Kap for several years, cut the ties. I want to see more from him this year, he is playing better each week and is made for Chip's system. If he shows consistency I wouldn't object to signing him next year. Bo and Ian Williams have too much wear and tear, I'm hoping they come back but solid players are a necessity at those positions. There is no QB worth mortgaging the house on,

One thing we are all glossing over is how terrible the o line is at run blocking. Seems that Hyde is getting all the blame and the o line is getting a pass. Beadles, Kilgore and Brown have been pretty crappy in the run game for the most part. And it's why Tiller was benched for Garnett. I know they have improved pass pro but the unit overall still isn't where this team needs it to be. We talking as if Hyde went down and some other back came in and rushed for 150 yards behind the same o line.

These guys are competitors and want to win. They didn't bust their asses from the age of 6 to this point to just sit at home b/c fans worried bout a draft pick. It's pretty easy to see why they are playing. See how hard Ward and Dorsey are plaything as to reasons why you still play. They type of guy that would just shut it down isn't the kind of guy you want on your team.

Hey Marvin, read Garnett and Dorsey had really good games.. you see anything from Harold besides a FF and Tank/Blair to reconsider those 3 positions going forward?

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Hey Marvin, read Garnett and Dorsey had really good games.. you see anything from Harold besides a FF and Tank/Blair to reconsider those 3 positions going forward?

Harold seems to be improving setting the edge in the run game...but none of those guys are getting any pressure on the QB. The strip sack by Harold was good but Palmer was flushed out of the pocket.

Harold just seems to constantly get pushed past the pocket.

Kap is very much better a quartback! He is very improved to throw the ball and better move to forward the yards. He need learn how quick drill for 1 mins or 2 mins for final in 4qt. He need practice how quick for drill by 1 mins and or 2 mins in 4qt for final.

Been checking in all day for this thread. Kudos Marvin.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

8) O-Line: Really hard to find positives this year but on the whole I really think the O-Line has improved. Thats a low bar to clear from last year but I'm encouraged by their play. I think they may need a replacement at RG but having a good idea who 4 of those 5 guys will be moving forward is a damn good start.

The pass protection looked very good against a quality front 7 in AZ. Best of the season. Garnett scored the same overall grade as Staley. Brown is still developing.

Run blocking is the big question. Though this is a passing league, you just have to open more holes than we are doing now. Garnett has now moved up to #16 in run blocking, so that is a plus. Beadles is #45, so that tells you one spot that needs to improve. Kilgore is a respectable #18. Staley is great at #5 but Brown is a dreadful #67. A mixed bag for sure which suggests a part the problem is that the parts may not fit the scheme.

Originally posted by dj43:

The pass protection looked very good against a quality front 7 in AZ. Best of the season. Garnett scored the same overall grade as Staley. Brown is still developing.

Run blocking is the big question. Though this is a passing league, you just have to open more holes than we are doing now. Garnett has now moved up to #16 in run blocking, so that is a plus. Beadles is #45, so that tells you one spot that needs to improve. Kilgore is a respectable #18. Staley is great at #5 but Brown is a dreadful #67. A mixed bag for sure which suggests a part the problem is that the parts may not fit the scheme.

This. It's a power OL trying to do a bit of both. Replace Beadles with Tiller and just let them maul people with power like they were doing in pre season and a couple games in IIRC.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
The pass protection looked very good against a quality front 7 in AZ. Best of the season. Garnett scored the same overall grade as Staley. Brown is still developing.

Run blocking is the big question. Though this is a passing league, you just have to open more holes than we are doing now. Garnett has now moved up to #16 in run blocking, so that is a plus. Beadles is #45, so that tells you one spot that needs to improve. Kilgore is a respectable #18. Staley is great at #5 but Brown is a dreadful #67. A mixed bag for sure which suggests a part the problem is that the parts may not fit the scheme.

This. It's a power OL trying to do a bit of both. Replace Beadles with Tiller and just let them maul people with power like they were doing in pre season and a couple games in IIRC.

I am puzzled why Beadles is the choice over Tiller. Tiller's run/pass pro grades were better than Beadles by a considerable margin. 78/75 compared to 41/65.

Need to do something because what is happening now isn't cutting it.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
The pass protection looked very good against a quality front 7 in AZ. Best of the season. Garnett scored the same overall grade as Staley. Brown is still developing.

Run blocking is the big question. Though this is a passing league, you just have to open more holes than we are doing now. Garnett has now moved up to #16 in run blocking, so that is a plus. Beadles is #45, so that tells you one spot that needs to improve. Kilgore is a respectable #18. Staley is great at #5 but Brown is a dreadful #67. A mixed bag for sure which suggests a part the problem is that the parts may not fit the scheme.

This. It's a power OL trying to do a bit of both. Replace Beadles with Tiller and just let them maul people with power like they were doing in pre season and a couple games in IIRC.

I am puzzled why Beadles is the choice over Tiller. Tiller's run/pass pro grades were better than Beadles by a considerable margin. 78/75 compared to 41/65.

Need to do something because what is happening now isn't cutting it.

I was actually really surprised when they pulled Tiller for Garnett. Its not that I didn't want to see Garnett in the lineup, it was more that I didn't think Tiller played himself out of the job. He's played pretty well all season.

You need to buy the watson falling to 2nd round, he sucks. The pitt game was over and he massively choked and ruined their season. We already have Kaepernick watson is no different and probably the 4th best qb in the draft... kizer and trubisky are clearly better, falk kaaya webb are comparable. Leaving out kelly who we can get way late

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

The pass protection looked very good against a quality front 7 in AZ. Best of the season. Garnett scored the same overall grade as Staley. Brown is still developing.

Run blocking is the big question. Though this is a passing league, you just have to open more holes than we are doing now. Garnett has now moved up to #16 in run blocking, so that is a plus. Beadles is #45, so that tells you one spot that needs to improve. Kilgore is a respectable #18. Staley is great at #5 but Brown is a dreadful #67. A mixed bag for sure which suggests a part the problem is that the parts may not fit the scheme.

This. It's a power OL trying to do a bit of both. Replace Beadles with Tiller and just let them maul people with power like they were doing in pre season and a couple games in IIRC.

Everyone runs the ball well in preseason though. Other than the LA game I don't recall them mauling anyone in the run game. From what people are saying, Brown and Tiller are just not very good run blockers. Seems to be the case. I'm sure some of it has to do with crappy QB play as well, but when it comes down to it I just don't think they are very good at run blocking.

Originally posted by Matchuu84:
You need to buy the watson falling to 2nd round, he sucks. The pitt game was over and he massively choked and ruined their season. We already have Kaepernick watson is no different and probably the 4th best qb in the draft... kizer and trubisky are clearly better, falk kaaya webb are comparable. Leaving out kelly who we can get way late

....i guess thats one way to look at it.

Another way is that they were undefeated up to that point and he threw for 580 yards. In one game. Last I looked the D gave up 43 points so odd to me to blame the QB.

Yes he had 70 attempts, but he completed almost 75% of his passes . Now I'm not saying he should go top 5 (even though he might), but I wouldn't say anything close to "he sucks" after throwing for 580 freakin' yards. LOL.