49ers Week 6 2016 - Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by crabman82:
Finally off the baalke wagon huh?

Me too!

I've stepped off as well. Stockpiled way too many draft picks over the years to be this talent depleted

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
I actually think his arm has weakened. He's lost significant muscle mass. That doesn't mean it can't come back but we won't see it this year.

Muscle mass, isnt the main focus on being able to throw a football... You can have all the bicep , forearm, tricep, shoulder muscle in the world, it will only help a fraction in throwing the ball, and in some cases can be MORE detrimental. You usually either "got it" or "dont got it" in terms of being able to throw the football, and kaepernick has always been able to throw a fastball faster than most people, even before he turned up the serious muscle gains, so again, I highly doubt going vegan and losing muscle mass from the off-season is the main source...

Yeah, I don't see how most don't understand this. Aaron Rodgers and many other QB's have that daddy body and they can sling it. Arm strength, you got it or you don't and reps helps improve it but Kap's size has nothing to do with him being able to throw a 30 yard laser or a 60 yard deep ball.

Kap actually looked good in terms of size. He also looked fast. He just needs to get comfortable in a....wait for it....new offense.

I think he will do well in this offense because it gets receivers open and Kap is a see it first QB.

bp

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Baalke needs to be ousted ASAP.

* He was prepared to go into the season with Gabbert and Driskell as our QBs (prior to signing Ponder who hadn't played a down in almost two years) while trying to trade off Kaepernick.

* He added zero competition or insurance at ILB

* He added zero competition at NT, despite Purcell being terrible last year, Dorsey on the PUP with an ACL, and Williams having surgery before free agency AND the draft.

* He added zero competition or insurance at OLB outside of a couple UDFA rookies.

* Last year he traded for an ILB who stunk and doesn't fit the new scheme, and he kept Wilhoite despite him getting destroyed by 5th string rooks in the 4th pre-season game.

* He added zero proven competition at WR until Kerley at the end of the pre-season. His "effort" was to draft a 6th rounder and sign a CFL player to compete with UDFA holdovers.


This is utterly embarrassing and beyond unacceptable. Our collective lack of starting talent and severe insufficiency of depth is absolutely destroying us right now. It's why we're decimated by any single injury.

excellent post. I agree 100%

Originally posted by Wisconsininer:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Baalke needs to be ousted ASAP.

* He was prepared to go into the season with Gabbert and Driskell as our QBs (prior to signing Ponder who hadn't played a down in almost two years) while trying to trade off Kaepernick.

* He added zero competition or insurance at ILB

* He added zero competition at NT, despite Purcell being terrible last year, Dorsey on the PUP with an ACL, and Williams having surgery before free agency AND the draft.

* He added zero competition or insurance at OLB outside of a couple UDFA rookies.

* Last year he traded for an ILB who stunk and doesn't fit the new scheme, and he kept Wilhoite despite him getting destroyed by 5th string rooks in the 4th pre-season game.

* He added zero proven competition at WR until Kerley at the end of the pre-season. His "effort" was to draft a 6th rounder and sign a CFL player to compete with UDFA holdovers.


This is utterly embarrassing and beyond unacceptable. Our collective lack of starting talent and severe insufficiency of depth is absolutely destroying us right now. It's why we're decimated by any single injury.

excellent post. I agree 100%

+1

Originally posted by Wisconsininer:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Baalke needs to be ousted ASAP.

* He was prepared to go into the season with Gabbert and Driskell as our QBs (prior to signing Ponder who hadn't played a down in almost two years) while trying to trade off Kaepernick.

* He added zero competition or insurance at ILB

* He added zero competition at NT, despite Purcell being terrible last year, Dorsey on the PUP with an ACL, and Williams having surgery before free agency AND the draft.

* He added zero competition or insurance at OLB outside of a couple UDFA rookies.

* Last year he traded for an ILB who stunk and doesn't fit the new scheme, and he kept Wilhoite despite him getting destroyed by 5th string rooks in the 4th pre-season game.

* He added zero proven competition at WR until Kerley at the end of the pre-season. His "effort" was to draft a 6th rounder and sign a CFL player to compete with UDFA holdovers.


This is utterly embarrassing and beyond unacceptable. Our collective lack of starting talent and severe insufficiency of depth is absolutely destroying us right now. It's why we're decimated by any single injury.

excellent post. I agree 100%

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Originally posted by Wisconsininer:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Baalke needs to be ousted ASAP.

* He was prepared to go into the season with Gabbert and Driskell as our QBs (prior to signing Ponder who hadn't played a down in almost two years) while trying to trade off Kaepernick.

* He added zero competition or insurance at ILB

* He added zero competition at NT, despite Purcell being terrible last year, Dorsey on the PUP with an ACL, and Williams having surgery before free agency AND the draft.

* He added zero competition or insurance at OLB outside of a couple UDFA rookies.

* Last year he traded for an ILB who stunk and doesn't fit the new scheme, and he kept Wilhoite despite him getting destroyed by 5th string rooks in the 4th pre-season game.

* He added zero proven competition at WR until Kerley at the end of the pre-season. His "effort" was to draft a 6th rounder and sign a CFL player to compete with UDFA holdovers.


This is utterly embarrassing and beyond unacceptable. Our collective lack of starting talent and severe insufficiency of depth is absolutely destroying us right now. It's why we're decimated by any single injury.

excellent post. I agree 100%

Can we add that he didn't improve the RB position even though we ran through 9 RB's last year. And with Hyde injured again who do was have to pick up the slack?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Question for fans...would there be a difference?

IMO no. I would rather they "try" and get a young up and comer. But I'm sure they will just give it to Gamble. And maybe
I'm wrong and he would do just fine

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Wisconsininer:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Baalke needs to be ousted ASAP.

* He was prepared to go into the season with Gabbert and Driskell as our QBs (prior to signing Ponder who hadn't played a down in almost two years) while trying to trade off Kaepernick.

* He added zero competition or insurance at ILB

* He added zero competition at NT, despite Purcell being terrible last year, Dorsey on the PUP with an ACL, and Williams having surgery before free agency AND the draft.

* He added zero competition or insurance at OLB outside of a couple UDFA rookies.

* Last year he traded for an ILB who stunk and doesn't fit the new scheme, and he kept Wilhoite despite him getting destroyed by 5th string rooks in the 4th pre-season game.

* He added zero proven competition at WR until Kerley at the end of the pre-season. His "effort" was to draft a 6th rounder and sign a CFL player to compete with UDFA holdovers.


This is utterly embarrassing and beyond unacceptable. Our collective lack of starting talent and severe insufficiency of depth is absolutely destroying us right now. It's why we're decimated by any single injury.

excellent post. I agree 100%

Can we add that he didn't improve the RB position even though we ran through 9 RB's last year. And with Hyde injured again who do was have to pick up the slack?

All of this

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Any theory on why Tyrod Taylor had no problems with the wind?

Tyrod hasn't taken a year off. Kap's armstrength did not weaken. His arm is just as strong as ever. The off or tight throws have more to do with rust. Right now, his throws will be a little choppy but the more he plays at game speed, the smoother he will get in his throwing and he will get more accurate.

Agreed. Nice post

Originally posted by Decima_Mas:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
1) Kap: Hard to say really. Clearly rusty. Almost at times looked like he was trying to make throws his old self could make but that he just doesn't have the arm strength to make yet/anymore. Was still nice to see them challenge vertically.

A lot has been made of his stats being good in first half and bad in the second half. Kinda think both of those need an asterisk. I don't think he played as well as stats would indicate in first half and I don't think he was as bad as stats indicate in second. LOTS of drops in there but also a few poor throws. The TD to Torrey was a poor throw...but honestly I kinda think Gabbert would never have even thrown it there at all.

Curious to see how he looks without that wind and at home. Might be the same. We'll see.


2) Armstead: Mixed bag. There are times he looks so good. Just shot out of a cannon with so much power. There are other times that he looks like his feet are in cement. Maybe thats just who he is. Dunno.


3) ILB: Really, Really hard to watch the ILB play out there after having watched Willis, Bowman, and even Borland for so many years. They lost both Bowman and Armstrong for the year, but hard to think of a worse ILB situation to the Niners right now. I'd like to see Skov get more play out there.


4) NT: Another big need in the offseason. The middle of the D is just getting rocked. Ian Williams coming back will help but hard to count on him. Good defenses are strong from the middle out. The Niners D's biggest weaknesses are right up the gut.


5) Brown: I'm sure there were som plays in there he'd like back, but 6 games into the season it really looks like we've got an excellent RT for the future. Not bad for a 7th round pick.


6) Garnett: Yikes. That sack was hard to watch. Not sure if he even laid a hand on the guy. I'd like to see Garnett get some playing time, but was Tiller really a part of the problem?


7) O'Neal: I keep remembering a report in the offseason about one of the complaints about O'Neal in Cleveland was that his D-Lineman were forced to think too much and not just play. This resulted in lots of mistakes in the scheme and gaping holes. Its really starting to resonate over the past few weeks. I dunno if thats the problem or not, but there are huge holes all over the field. Is that just personnel, scheme, or both?


8) Baalke: As everyone here knows, I've defended Baalke for a long time. If for not other reason than a change in direction, I think its time. The rub here though is that I don't want those reighns given to Chip. Gamble? Dunno.


9) Kaps protest: Just gotta say....I was equal parts ashamed and proud of our country watching many of the antics from Bills fans in the parking lot. The crosshairs Kap T-Shirts are a disgrace and turn my stomach...but it was nice to see the group of fans who took a knee in support.


10) Draft: lets be real...its a countdown to what their draft position will be and the damn Browns keep losing. LOL. My current draft crushes? 1st Pick: QB Deshaun Watson (don't like Kizer). 2nd Pick: WR Cortland Sutton.

On offense, the Niners have a good start on the o-Line, TEs are serviceable, and I like Kerley in the slot and Torrey on the outside. Chip will be around awhile as Niners can't just fire him after one year for PR and $$$ purposes. I think Watson would be a good fit for Chip and Sutton would be the type of WR they are missing.

Ehy Marvin,
do you rule out that Kap can be the 49ers QB for years to come?

I rarely rule anything out, but I highly doubt he's a 49er next year.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Any theory on why Tyrod Taylor had no problems with the wind?

Tyrod hasn't taken a year off. Kap's armstrength did not weaken. His arm is just as strong as ever. The off or tight throws have more to do with rust. Right now, his throws will be a little choppy but the more he plays at game speed, the smoother he will get in his throwing and he will get more accurate.

I actually think his arm has weakened. He's lost significant muscle mass. That doesn't mean it can't come back but we won't see it this year.

I'm not sure if 15-20 pounds affects arm strength. I'm not sure if weight affects armstrength much at all. Throwing more will help him get the trajectory back and I think that's what was affected most by him not throwing much in live game action. Some throws need to be made quicker than what he is accustomed to make in practice. He will get the game speed trajectory back after 2 or 3 games.

The problem is not the arm strength. A lot of times Kap doesn't throw a perfect spiral, so when there's bad wind and you sometimes throw a choppy ball, it can get hung up worse in the wind then would a perfect spiral that cuts right through it.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Any theory on why Tyrod Taylor had no problems with the wind?

Tyrod hasn't taken a year off. Kap's armstrength did not weaken. His arm is just as strong as ever. The off or tight throws have more to do with rust. Right now, his throws will be a little choppy but the more he plays at game speed, the smoother he will get in his throwing and he will get more accurate.

I actually think his arm has weakened. He's lost significant muscle mass. That doesn't mean it can't come back but we won't see it this year.

I'm not sure if 15-20 pounds affects arm strength. I'm not sure if weight affects armstrength much at all. Throwing more will help him get the trajectory back and I think that's what was affected most by him not throwing much in live game action. Some throws need to be made quicker than what he is accustomed to make in practice. He will get the game speed trajectory back after 2 or 3 games.

The problem is not the arm strength. A lot of times Kap doesn't throw a perfect spiral, so when there's bad wind and you sometimes throw a choppy ball, it can get hung up worse in the wind then would a perfect spiral that cuts right through it.

My comment was actually about short hopped line drive passes. I could be way off but it just looks to me like he's trying to make throws he used to be able to make and he just can't make them anymore.

Just one game though. We'll see.

Marvin49 10) Draft: lets be real...its a countdown to what their draft position will be and the damn Browns keep losing. LOL. My current draft crushes? 1st Pick: QB Deshaun Watson (don't like Kizer). 2nd Pick: WR Cortland Sutton.

On offense, the Niners have a good start on the o-Line, TEs are serviceable, and I like Kerley in the slot and Torrey on the outside. Chip will be around awhile as Niners can't just fire him after one year for PR and $$$ purposes. I think Watson would be a good fit for Chip and Sutton would be the type of WR they are missing.







Do you want draft to QB by Watson? And Sutton is best the WR?

I think, If we are top draft at 1 to 5 top draft then. We should trade down for more picks by two first rounds to #11 to #13 for WR or ILB then draft 20 to #28 ILB or WR.. we need be patience our process first.. we should keep to Kap in next year.

Probably the best to draft the top QB 2018 than 2017..

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Any theory on why Tyrod Taylor had no problems with the wind?

oh hey you still post here, I thought you said you were leaving for the chiefs forum.

Lol

Rusty is just another kraepescuse we are not talking about a rookie or two year player. Brady had no contact or practice with the team for 4 weeks steps right in no rust. Why he is a pro. Kraep has been practicing with the same team since July and people want to play the well he is. rusty card. Come on man!!