49ers Week 6 2016 - Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 5

Marvin49 · 2016-10-18T09:25:15-07:00

1) Kap: Hard to say really. Clearly rusty. Almost at times looked like he was trying to make throws his old self could make but that he just doesn't have the arm strength to make yet/anymore. Was still nice to see them challenge vertically. A lot has been made of his stats being good in first half and bad in the second half. Kinda think both of those need an asterisk. I don't think he played as well as stats would indicate in first half and I don't think he was as bad as stats indicate in second. LOTS of drops in there but also a few poor throws. The TD to Torrey was a poor throw...but honestly I kinda think Gabbert would never have even thrown it there at all. Curious to see how he looks without that wind and at home. Might be the same. We'll see. 2) Armstead: Mixed bag. There are times he looks so good. Just shot out of a cannon with so much power. There are other times that he looks like his feet are in cement. Maybe thats just who he is. Dunno. 3) ILB: Really, Really hard to watch the ILB play out there after having watched Willis, Bowman, and even Borland for so many years. They lost both Bowman and Armstrong for the year, but hard to think of a worse ILB situation to the Niners right now. I'd like to see Skov get more play out there. 4) NT: Another big need in the offseason. The middle of the D is just getting rocked. Ian Williams coming back will help but hard to count on him. Good defenses are strong from the middle out. The Niners D's biggest weaknesses are right up the gut. 5) Brown: I'm sure there were som plays in there he'd like back, but 6 games into the season it really looks like we've got an excellent RT for the future. Not bad for a 7th round pick. 6) Garnett: Yikes. That sack was hard to watch. Not sure if he even laid a hand on the guy. I'd like to see Garnett get some playing time, but was Tiller really a part of the problem? 7) O'Neal: I keep remembering a report in the offseason about one of the complaints about O'Neal in Cleveland was that his D-Lineman were forced to think too much and not just play. This resulted in lots of mistakes in the scheme and gaping holes. Its really starting to resonate over the past few weeks. I dunno if thats the problem or not, but there are huge holes all over the field. Is that just personnel, scheme, or both? 8) Baalke: As everyone here knows, I've defended Baalke for a long time. If for not other reason than a change in direction, I think its time. The rub here though is that I don't want those reighns given to Chip. Gamble? Dunno. 9) Kaps protest: Just gotta say....I was equal parts ashamed and proud of our country watching many of the antics from Bills fans in the parking lot. The crosshairs Kap T-Shirts are a disgrace and turn my stomach...but it was nice to see the group of fans who took a knee in support. 10) Draft: lets be real...its a countdown to what their draft position will be and the damn Browns keep losing. LOL. My current draft crushes? 1st Pick: QB Deshaun Watson (don't like Kizer). 2nd Pick: WR Cortland Sutton. On offense, the Niners have a good start on the o-Line, TEs are serviceable, and I like Kerley in the slot and Torrey on the outside. Chip will be around awhile as Niners can't just fire him after one year for PR and $$$ purposes. I think Watson would be a good fit for Chip and Sutton would be the type of WR they are missing.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Any theory on why Tyrod Taylor had no problems with the wind?

Lol this

I keep seeing that wind excuse pop up but tyrod seemed to be dropping dimes without issue

Dropping dimes lol stop he had less than 180 yards 30 coming on a wide up TD. The wind was wild there still doesn't make up for kaps play...but did anyone think he was gonna roll out and throw for 300 in buffalo in those condidtions after not playing in a regular season game for like a yr?

Well he threw over 65% vs our 44%, seems those horrible conditions didn't affect Tyrod as that was better then his career average.

I think it's easier to pass the ball when your running game is doing whatever it wants to a defense.... compared to us, struggling to run the ball.

s**t, how leading rusher was Kaepernick with 66 yards.

and did you see most of those incompletions in the second half? It's not like all of them were being thrown all over the place. They were catchable. I think that's why they were listed as drops.

edit- oh well forget it. Either-way, he didn't play up to my expectations in the second half...and I'm sure not up to his. Started off well though, so looking forward to seeing how they will carry that into these next few games.

[ Edited by Afrikan on Oct 18, 2016 at 12:47 PM ]

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Tman:
Well he threw over 65% vs our 44%, seems those horrible conditions didn't affect Tyrod as that was better then his career average.

He was playing against a really really really bad defense and had a 300 yd rush attack to work with. He wasn't making tough passes in that wind, it was about as easy as it gets for a QB at the NFL level.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by TheNef77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
https://twitter.com/rob_lowder/status/787735036070166528

That TD is on Reid. Needs to have outside leverage in Cover 1.

Yup. Once the film thread is up (tomorrow), I'll show how Reid misplayed this and compare it to a very similar play the previous week (ARI) where RRobinson played it well, like how a good CB should have done it. It has to do with the headfake to the inside before JHunter broke towards the Corner.

Ward to safety makes so much sense that it'll never happen

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why in the world is Reid playing in the slot?

https://twitter.com/rob_lowder/status/787735036070166528

Outstanding hustle by Reid and Bethea there. You could really see how much that play means to them.

It's called I hope the QB is as inaccurate as our QB coverage. It's a risk/reward coverage. Every once in a while you get an incomplete pass. But usually it's a TD. It's a bold strategy.

Ahhh, the old 'Brock-tactic' - hope they either drop it or the QB overthrows it while you are half-jogging in the general area and then talk mad trash after while being down 45 points. Got it!

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Allx9er:
Ward to safety makes so much sense that it'll never happen

Exactly.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Yup. Once the film thread is up (tomorrow), I'll show how Reid misplayed this and compare it to a very similar play the previous week (ARI) where RRobinson played it well, like how a good CB should have done it. It has to do with the headfake to the inside before JHunter broke towards the Corner.

I mean Reid isn't a CB (like Robinson) though he's a SS. I get what your saying with him playing down to help with run D (which didn't help). It was a miss match waiting to happen with hunter who runs a 4.4.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly.

Ward has shown to be incredibly soft...he would get destroyed physically if he's asked to take on blockers and take down RB's head on. This guy just can't stay healthy enough to provide any impact.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly.

Ward has shown to be incredibly soft...he would get destroyed physically if he's asked to take on blockers and take down RB's head on. This guy just can't stay healthy enough to provide any impact.

Ward's a different animal at S though...he's a play maker when the action is in front of him. But I get what you're saying about his health. No denying that! I'm happy with him at CB too. I just think his natural position is FS with Tartt at SS.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly.

Ward has shown to be incredibly soft...he would get destroyed physically if he's asked to take on blockers and take down RB's head on. This guy just can't stay healthy enough to provide any impact.

Wtf. No he's not.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
https://twitter.com/rob_lowder/status/787735036070166528

That TD is on Reid. Needs to have outside leverage in Cover 1.

Yup. Once the film thread is up (tomorrow), I'll show how Reid misplayed this and compare it to a very similar play the previous week (ARI) where RRobinson played it well, like how a good CB should have done it. It has to do with the headfake to the inside before JHunter broke towards the Corner.

is Marcus Cromadie not getting any play time on defense?

when he had to step in at corner for us a few years ago, he did well.

now he switched to Safety for us, to make the team....and he did. Just curious with all the injuries to cb, slot, safety position... he doesn't somehow get into the game?

I'd rather him guarding WRs on important downs, if a safety is needed there..... and I'd rather have Bethea off the field if need be.

[ Edited by Afrikan on Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM ]

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly.

Ward has shown to be incredibly soft...he would get destroyed physically if he's asked to take on blockers and take down RB's head on. This guy just can't stay healthy enough to provide any impact.

Lost some time with the foot, like hyde I wonder about the teams training/medical staff

. Then a pulled muscle on ST. Anything else?

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Wtf. No he's not.

He's on the bench again...this guy can never stay healthy. He was hurt when we over drafted him and it's continued every season he's played in the NFL.

[ Edited by jcs on Oct 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM ]

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Afrikan:
I think it's easier to pass the ball when your running game is doing whatever it wants to a defense.... compared to us, struggling to run the ball.

s**t, how leading rusher was Kaepernick with 66 yards.

and did you see most of those incompletions in the second half? It's not like all of them were being thrown all over the place. They were catchable. I think that's why they were listed as drops.

edit- oh well forget it. Either-way, he didn't play up to my expectations in the second half...and I'm sure not up to his. Started off well though, so looking forward to seeing how they will carry that into these next few games.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He was playing against a really really really bad defense and had a 300 yd rush attack to work with. He wasn't making tough passes in that wind, it was about as easy as it gets for a QB at the NFL level.

Fellas

The point that was trying to be made is that the wind was affecting our qbs passes, if the wind was that big of an issue it would have affected the other team's qb as well, regardless of how bad our defense is both teams played in the same conditions. The opposing qb passed for a higher then average %, the "conditions" are not an excuse thats all I'm saying.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Wtf. No he's not.

He's on the bench again...this guy can never stay healthy.

You're talking about two different things. Being soft to me means he's scared of taking a hit. Vernon in his later years with the Niners was SOFT. Being injury prone is a completely different subject. Carlos Hyde seems to be injury prone but I don't think anyone would call him soft.

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
Yup. Once the film thread is up (tomorrow), I'll show how Reid misplayed this and compare it to a very similar play the previous week (ARI) where RRobinson played it well, like how a good CB should have done it. It has to do with the headfake to the inside before JHunter broke towards the Corner.

I mean Reid isn't a CB (like Robinson) though he's a SS. I get what your saying with him playing down to help with run D (which didn't help). It was a miss match waiting to happen with hunter who runs a 4.4.

That's exactly what I was getting at. Can't expect Reid to play like a CB because he isn't one. On this play, Reid fell for a headfake that he should not have because Bethea was there to help on the inside. Instead, Reid falls for the headfake and gets setup for the outside breaking route. Toast.

Originally posted by Allx9er:
Ward to safety makes so much sense that it'll never happen

I remember when Merton Hanks was moved to FS(from CB) and would occasionally drop down to play CB. This is the role I envision for Ward so that in situations like this (base vs 3WR), Ward can move down and line up across from a WR and not miss a beat. The defense gets to keep their base front 7 while not suffering in pass coverage the way they did on this Hunter TD where Reid was asked to do something he isn't good at (covering a WR off the LoS).