QB or WR-which is a bigger priority for the 49ers?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
So he's a veteran developmental project...

Just like Steve Young.

I say this all the time, you need to take a QB in the first 3 rounds every year until you have your guy. Then after that, you still need to burn high picks on a QB every couple of years. The position is too important to let slide. Look at the Pats, Brady out, Jimmy G in, Jimmy G down, a second round (I believe) pick right there to step in.

You can always get value in a trade for a young QB, even if he only rode the pine, and saw limited action, crappy teams are always desperate enough to cough up picks for a bench warmer, who might be their answer. Cant go wrong stockpiling QB's. If we had been doing this really since the Alex Smith draft, we would have found some one better than what we have now. Going forward, there is no reason this team does not burn a 2-3rd next season on a QB, hell maybe out top pick if need be.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by wailers15:
a nice consistent QB would be great but where do we find one?? Sure as hell not in this next draft. (and yes you're f**kign kidding yourself if you think Kizer or Watson would be the answer)

lol. I'd love to hear about the hours of film study you based this conclusion upon.

all I have to say is history is not on their side. Then again I hear Kiper, McShay and now mort are high on Davis Webb from Cal. Just saying these elite mobile QB's...where are they transitioning over in the NFL? Cam is really the only one who has come in and made such an impact. Great college QB's doesn't mean they will transition over.

Personally (& coming from a Clemson fan here) I'm not sold on Watson's mechanics. As a passer, he needs to do a better job of reading coverage's. Sure he's great escaping pressure but his throws on the run are all over the place. Seeing more of that this year than last. No doubt he will add on muscle and weight. Not sure how the shotgun heavy offense will translate for him at the next level.
How much of an upside of a passer does he have? He needs to learn to set his feet more before throwing. Which can improve.

When the defense gives up over 500 yds, I think that's a bigger priority right now then either QB or WR. I'd agree we need more size at the WR position...but our defense had no answer for Cam or Benjamin. They got no pressure on Cam...and he had a field day picking apart our D. The game may well have been much closer had McDonald held onto what should've been his 2nd TD pass. While the OL did a credible job of pass protection, they couldn't open holes for our RB's. So, there are a lot of teaching points this week in preparation for Seattle...and they all go well beyond the QB and WR positions.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I say this all the time, you need to take a QB in the first 3 rounds every year until you have your guy. Then after that, you still need to burn high picks on a QB every couple of years. The position is too important to let slide. Look at the Pats, Brady out, Jimmy G in, Jimmy G down, a second round (I believe) pick right there to step in.

You can always get value in a trade for a young QB, even if he only rode the pine, and saw limited action, crappy teams are always desperate enough to cough up picks for a bench warmer, who might be their answer. Cant go wrong stockpiling QB's. If we had been doing this really since the Alex Smith draft, we would have found some one better than what we have now. Going forward, there is no reason this team does not burn a 2-3rd next season on a QB, hell maybe out top pick if need be.

Trouble is...there aren't always QBs of quality when you pick. I agree with you in general, just as I believe WR is a higher need every year or two out of three years. If you think about the nine picks in three years of Rds 1-3 it becomes important to be careful with what positions you pick.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

When the defense gives up over 500 yds, I think that's a bigger priority right now then either QB or WR. I'd agree we need more size at the WR position...but our defense had no answer for Cam or Benjamin. They got no pressure on Cam...and he had a field day picking apart our D. The game may well have been much closer had McDonald held onto what should've been his 2nd TD pass. While the OL did a credible job of pass protection, they couldn't open holes for our RB's. So, there are a lot of teaching points this week in preparation for Seattle...and they all go well beyond the QB and WR positions.

Pass Rusher is our biggest need we have no one Myles Garrett please

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
When the defense gives up over 500 yds, I think that's a bigger priority right now then either QB or WR. I'd agree we need more size at the WR position...but our defense had no answer for Cam or Benjamin. They got no pressure on Cam...and he had a field day picking apart our D. The game may well have been much closer had McDonald held onto what should've been his 2nd TD pass. While the OL did a credible job of pass protection, they couldn't open holes for our RB's. So, there are a lot of teaching points this week in preparation for Seattle...and they all go well beyond the QB and WR positions.

I don't think the defense is nearly as bad as it looked in Carolina. They've drafted defense early in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016, as these guys are developing the defense will continue to improve. Where they are lacking and what has been neglected is the offensive side of the ball. A quality quarterback and a run game that can keep drives going are a defense's best friend. Right now teams are crowding the box because they don't respect the 49ers passing game whatsoever. This makes it more difficult to run the football and the result is that drives end sooner and you have a defense that is on the field a lot more often. That won't just magically change until this team is able to consistently put together drives which didn't happen in the second half of this past game.


You can't keep drafting defense forever while neglecting your offense, at some point you have to make it work or change up the decision makers. What is never out of style is having a top tier quarterback that can competently run a variety of offenses at a high level. I think that should be where their emphasis goes.

QB
Pass rusher
WR

In that order.

QB and it's not even close. QB is the most important position on the field and a good QB Can make any WR at least serviceable.

QB. No doubt.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by dj43:
It really isn't an "either or" proposition. QB is generally the more important but it is a stretch to say a great QB can turn an average receiver into great. Take last year in Green Bay as an example. Rodgers lost Jordy Nelson in pre-season and then Randall Cobb was not healthy most of the year. Devonte Adams was still a developmental project.

The result? Rodgers worst year as a pro.

But those weren't "average" WRs, those were PS guys who probably shouldn't have even been on the depth chart of any NFL team. An "average WR" to me is Edelman who would not be effective on an average team with an average QB.

I won't debate individual cases because that is not my point, which is; every QB, even the great ones, that does not have reliable receivers will see a drop off in performance. I think that goes without saying. In the case of the 49ers, other than Torrey Smith, not one of the current 49er receivers is going to cause any DC to lose any sleep worrying about how to shut them down. Even in the case of Smith, as we have seen, he can be doubled and taken out of the game. That is what happens when you do not have a decent GROUP of receivers.

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Originally posted by dj43:
I won't debate individual cases because that is not my point, which is; every QB, even the great ones, that does not have reliable receivers will see a drop off in performance. I think that goes without saying. In the case of the 49ers, other than Torrey Smith, not one of the current 49er receivers is going to cause any DC to lose any sleep worrying about how to shut them down. Even in the case of Smith, as we have seen, he can be doubled and taken out of the game. That is what happens when you do not have a decent GROUP of receivers.

And say you do have a decent group of receivers but Gabbert is still your quarterback, that DC still isn't losing any sleep.

Without an absolutely dominant defense, a mediocre QB only gets you so far in this league.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I say this all the time, you need to take a QB in the first 3 rounds every year until you have your guy. Then after that, you still need to burn high picks on a QB every couple of years. The position is too important to let slide. Look at the Pats, Brady out, Jimmy G in, Jimmy G down, a second round (I believe) pick right there to step in.

You can always get value in a trade for a young QB, even if he only rode the pine, and saw limited action, crappy teams are always desperate enough to cough up picks for a bench warmer, who might be their answer. Cant go wrong stockpiling QB's. If we had been doing this really since the Alex Smith draft, we would have found some one better than what we have now. Going forward, there is no reason this team does not burn a 2-3rd next season on a QB, hell maybe out top pick if need be.

Agree.

Baalke seems to understand the importance of the passing game as witnessed by his constant drafting of defensive backs. He has brought in some good young talent. Too bad he has done so poorly on the offensive skill side of the ball. His performance has been offensive.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:
I won't debate individual cases because that is not my point, which is; every QB, even the great ones, that does not have reliable receivers will see a drop off in performance. I think that goes without saying. In the case of the 49ers, other than Torrey Smith, not one of the current 49er receivers is going to cause any DC to lose any sleep worrying about how to shut them down. Even in the case of Smith, as we have seen, he can be doubled and taken out of the game. That is what happens when you do not have a decent GROUP of receivers.

And say you do have a decent group of receivers but Gabbert is still your quarterback, that DC still isn't losing any sleep.

Without an absolutely dominant defense, a mediocre QB only gets you so far in this league.

I don't disagree.

Gabbert is the best we have right now and that is not going to change anytime soon. My hope is that, as he has more time to get comfortable with an OL that actually gives him time to read and throw the ball down the field, he will improve. IMO, he improved noticeably between the Ram game and this one. Let's hope that continues.