Position battles

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

NY, just my opinion, but whether we keep Burbridge , Smelter, White ,Simpson, to go with Torrey, or whoever your choices are at WR, I think those are the guys we play with. I don't think we get a top flite WR until we have our Franchise QB. Our current QBs aren't known for their accuracy, nor are they particularly good passers. Getting a great WR with no QB to throw to him doesn't make sense to me . So let's use the guys we got now, hope boht QBs learn to throw to them with a fair chance of a reception, and hold off on any more WRs until we have our FRanchise QB. Once we do that, fine, THEN get the WR you want. Now...I just think that is a wasted move. And certainly one or more of those guys can come up with some catches. A lot depends on the QB knowing the exact route, step for step, second for second. Let these guys have the role this yr. Next yr, we get a tough WR.

I'm not saying Justin Hunter is a top shelf WR just an upgrade with upside who's gonna cost next to nothing...6-4 4.4 wheels isn't a bad thing to have. I'd rather have him them Simpson.

Yup, any upgrade we make at WR is a good deal. As long as we are keeping our core of good young players, even without a franchise QB we shouldn't hesitate to upgrade the receiving corps. Better receivers can help us now. And when we do go get " our guy" it would be nice to have some good targets already in place for him to throw too.

Agreed. I am not opposed to getting upgrades at WR, in fact that is a good idea. But going after a great WR, well, that is what I was thinking of. Doing that at this time would be non- sensical . First have someone that can reliably get the ball to him, and that guy, at least at this present time, isn't on the team. We got guys who can catch at present, but aside from Blaine/McD, who else does he click with and know his routes. That is where I would like to see the focus. Then if we have WR that can't catch a ball handed to them, get rid of him. Right now Blaine pretty much knows where McD is going to be...on most routes. During the BW days, Joe knew where every WR and every TE was on every play. We aren't in that class as of yet. And Kap...he will need to do exactly the same. Last yr I wasn't impressed with either QB and knowing WR and TE routes. Of course, when Martin ended up in Kap's lap or Blaine's lap, knowing where your WR is didn't really matter. So this yr both guys get to learn routes, as they will get the time to read their progressions.

Originally posted by spraked:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I have 6 and I'm only happy with a couple; two on I.R.

X WR (LEFT): Jerome Simpson; Quinton Patton (DeAndre Smelter)
Y WR (SLOT): Bruce Ellington; Aaron Burbridge
Z WR (RIGHT): Torrey Smith; DeAndrew White (Bryce Treggs)

Matts point was there were only 5 on the team today that he can see staying. He believed we would get a 6th from another teams cutts/trade.


James

Smelters seems like at worst he's going to go on the PUP?

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by spraked:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I have 6 and I'm only happy with a couple; two on I.R.

X WR (LEFT): Jerome Simpson; Quinton Patton (DeAndre Smelter)
Y WR (SLOT): Bruce Ellington; Aaron Burbridge
Z WR (RIGHT): Torrey Smith; DeAndrew White (Bryce Treggs)

Matts point was there were only 5 on the team today that he can see staying. He believed we would get a 6th from another teams cutts/trade.


James

Smelters seems like at worst he's going to go on the PUP?

Can't be on the PUP because he's already practiced in TC. You can put him on IR and designate to return.

Some of my friends are saying Armstrong has pulled away from Hodges and Wilhoite for the ILB job. What do you guys think?

Originally posted by ChipKelly:
Some of my friends are saying Armstrong has pulled away from Hodges and Wilhoite for the ILB job. What do you guys think?

I hope so. Definitely Wilhoite though

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by ChipKelly:

Some of my friends are saying Armstrong has pulled away from Hodges and Wilhoite for the ILB job. What do you guys think?

I hope so. Definitely Wilhoite though

I think Ray-Ray is ready for run downs... Cmon Ray-Ray, bring that U&dread swagger to the squad.

So what was everyone's most intriguing battle and who has won it in your eyes? I was most interested in the OL, specifically the interior OL. I got

LG: Beadles
RG: ADavis. Biggest surprise that I didn't think was a possibility. Didn't watch Davis closely vs GB but he didn't seem to do anything poorly. Not sure he has outplayed Tiller who I thought looked in preseason.

Originally posted by thl408:

So what was everyone's most intriguing battle and who has won it in your eyes? I was most interested in the OL, specifically the interior OL. I got

LG: Beadles
RG: ADavis. Biggest surprise that I didn't think was a possibility. Didn't watch Davis closely vs GB but he didn't seem to do anything poorly. Not sure he has outplayed Tiller who I thought looked in preseason.

OL was epic. Brown beat out Davis. I still think Tiller beat out Davis but they may go with Davis at RG because of his upside and I think Garnett beat out Beadles at LG (more upside).

I thought Reaser would win the slot CB job but Davis came out of nowhere and Redmond, despite being 85-90%, looks like he's the future there.

I still think there is some competition for Brock's job. I think Ward locked down one spot even if he struggles a bit but I think this coaching staff, like with WR, wants to go younger. Brock might be phased out later in the year for Robinson...a true press CB.

Think Ray-Ray is just more dynamic than Wilhoite and Hodges. Tartt is still going to play a significant role with Bethea on a short leash.

Whomever is healthy plays WR.

Dorsey/Smith...I like.

Feeling decent about Tank/Brooks. Rush as our Dan Skuta, Harold as our base. Blair adds versatility.

Gabbert was a no-brainer for me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
OL was epic. Brown beat out Davis. I still think Tiller beat out Davis but they may go with Davis at RG because of his upside and I think Garnett beat out Beadles at LG (more upside).

I thought Reaser would win the slot CB job but Davis came out of nowhere and Redmond, despite being 85-90%, looks like he's the future there.

I still think there is some competition for Brock's job. I think Ward locked down one spot even if he struggles a bit but I think this coaching staff, like with WR, wants to go younger. Brock might be phased out later in the year for Robinson...a true press CB.

Think Ray-Ray is just more dynamic than Wilhoite and Hodges. Tartt is still going to play a significant role with Bethea on a short leash.

Whomever is healthy plays WR.

Dorsey/Smith...I like.

Feeling decent about Tank/Brooks. Rush as our Dan Skuta, Harold as our base. Blair adds versatility.

Gabbert was a no-brainer for me.

I thought Beadles was getting snaps with the 1s and Garnett was 2? Maybe that's incorrect and that's why Beadles is taking snaps at Center. If AA is a starter, I wonder if it's Dial or Buckner at the other DE spot. Agree with Ray Ray. I didn't think he'd be a player in the ILB battle, but he's stood out in a good way.

Originally posted by thl408:

So what was everyone's most intriguing battle and who has won it in your eyes? I was most interested in the OL, specifically the interior OL. I got

LG: Beadles
RG: ADavis. Biggest surprise that I didn't think was a possibility. Didn't watch Davis closely vs GB but he didn't seem to do anything poorly. Not sure he has outplayed Tiller who I thought looked in preseason.

Have to agree about this as being most intriguing position competition. And as for Tiller outplayed Beadles, I am not even sure who is playing where. Just best 5, but include Kilgore as C. If Beadles , Garnett, or Tiller snap the ball and are better, go with them. But I think Kilgore has it. The other 4 are Joe, AD, Trent, Tiller/Zane. Really surprised Garnett is not among my top 5....

Last game Tiller and TRenton were tearing it up on R side, so maybe it is better if AD plays LG with Joe. Some of this just seems kind of bizarre, considering my hope for this yr was to rid ourselves of Devey, Martin and pears. And here we are trying to figure out the best of the best on OL....Weird, just weird. Chances of this ...had to be less than 3 %. Wow.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Have to agree about this as being most intriguing position competition. And as for Tiller outplayed Beadles, I am not even sure who is playing where. Just best 5, but include Kilgore as C. If Beadles , Garnett, or Tiller snap the ball and are better, go with them. But I think Kilgore has it. The other 4 are Joe, AD, Trent, Tiller/Zane. Really surprised Garnett is not among my top 5....

For sure Kilgore got the C spot. With Beadles, Tiller, A Davis, Garnett in the mix at Guard it's a huge jumble that I think will be Beadles/ADavis to start the season. If TBrown can't handle Right Tackle, I can see Davis moved back to RT and one of the many capable guards fill in as Brown goes to the bench.

Thl , remember when Tiller and Trenton were mopping up the other side of the line...it was almost funny, but those two cats were serious. And I like the idea of AD next to Joe, maybe one helps the other a bit. Can't say I donl't like Zane, tho as I sure do. I will be happy with whatever chip puts out there opening nite. REally happy.