Coaching continuity is the biggest issue!

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Jed York is a buffoon is the biggest issue.

Can hardly blame Jed. He's a kid who has been handed the keys to the family Lamborghini. Real culprit? The owner of the Lamborghini - mother Denise.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I keep hearing how people here say that building through the draft is the way to go, or that getting top notched free agents will bring us back quicker. The argument then becomes the good teams build through the draft. Well here is the foundation of the "good teams" success.

It's called coaching continuity.

The Patriots, Packers, & Steelers have all kept their head coaches in place long term.

Since 1969 the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 head coaches! It just so happens that they are the most successful tean in NFL history when it comes to winning super bowls. Each of there last three coaches (Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin) have won at least one super bowl. Current head coach is entering his 10th season.

Since 1993 the New England Patriots have had 3 head coaches. During this two of those coaches took them to the super bowl although Belichick was the only one to win it (4 times). Current head coach is entering his 17th season.

Since 1992 The Green Bay Packers have had 4 head coaches. They have won 2 super bowls in the process. Current head coach(our former O-Coordinator) is entering his 11th season.

It doesn't matter if we build through the draft or free agency. We have leadership issues and it starts at the top!

Our major issue is playing musical chairs with the head coaching position.

We have had 8 different head coaches since 1997, and three different coaches in the last three years.

So, what would be the best way to build a foundation for our head coaching situation? Be like the Rooney's and leave the head coach in place and let him grow and learn no matter what his record is? Be more like the Packers and hire the best guy for the job and retain him? Or be like the Patriots and allow the coach to have all of the power so that the leadership begins and ends with the head coach?

We have had so many different assistants and coordinators as well. Poor Alex Smith had to learn a new offense almost every year he played here, and now it all starts again. Throw out your Harbaugh playbooks and study this Tomsula playbook. Now you can toss all of that Tomsula and whatever was leftover from Harbaugh because we are going Chip Kelly's spread "this year".

Maybe this is why players chose to retire, leave via free agency, or not come here via free agency?

Your thoughts?

When you don't hire good coaches, you have to replace them. When you do hire good coaches, you keep them around. Good coaches can't win with s**t talent and neither can bad ones...

On top of that, how many SB's has Belicheat, McCarthy, or Mike Tomlin won minus a stud likely hof franchise QB?

The answer is 0.

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:

if Chip has a successful season , then next year we will hit the ground running with the same system , which is a luxury we have rarely had over the last 15 seasons ...I'd hate for the season to be a flop, and have to install a new system AGAIN next year

And then the year after that he will be fired on the premise that "Chip was too hard to work with".

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
if Chip has a successful season , then next year we will hit the ground running with the same system , which is a luxury we have rarely had over the last 15 seasons ...I'd hate for the season to be a flop, and have to install a new system AGAIN next year

And then the year after that he will be fired on the premise that "Chip was too hard to work with".

Yup. We're in a spiral that won't stop with these owners. A good coach is hard to deal with 99% of the time. York's want yes men.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:

if Chip has a successful season , then next year we will hit the ground running with the same system , which is a luxury we have rarely had over the last 15 seasons ...I'd hate for the season to be a flop, and have to install a new system AGAIN next year

And then the year after that he will be fired on the premise that "Chip was too hard to work with".

Yup. We're in a spiral that won't stop with these owners. A good coach is hard to deal with 99% of the time. York's want yes men.

York is too emotional. He has high estrogen levels.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
if Chip has a successful season , then next year we will hit the ground running with the same system , which is a luxury we have rarely had over the last 15 seasons ...I'd hate for the season to be a flop, and have to install a new system AGAIN next year

And then the year after that he will be fired on the premise that "Chip was too hard to work with".

Yup. We're in a spiral that won't stop with these owners. A good coach is hard to deal with 99% of the time. York's want yes men.

York is too emotional. He has high estrogen levels.

Even Eddie wanted to fire Walsh at one point even after all of his success. Maybe it's the age and business/life experience of the ownership who have lived long enough to know that knee-jerk reactions are not good business practice.

FO and team talent is the issue. Kubiack was fired and won the SB the following year. Let him coach last years talent this upcoming season and he will get fired again!

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Biggest issue is ownership.

Agree, and I think that's what the OP was getting at. The coaching instability has been a result of bad decisions made by ownership. It always starts at the top.

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all have smart, stable ownership/management. That's why they've been competitive for so damn long. Having a few HOF QBs doesn't hurt either.

You do know that Eddie started off stupidly also right? Or did you forget all those coaches before Walsh and the GM named Joe Thomas? I think it is the luck of the draw in landing a good coach-look at how many poeple did not hire Walsh, who was one of the oldest first year/first time coaches that was hired at the time.

Originally posted by titan:
FO and team talent is the issue. Kubiack was fired and won the SB the following year. Let him coach last years talent this upcoming season and he will get fired again!

In the age of the salary cap, it is hard to maintain a team after a SB win, cause everyone wants to cash in if they can. Everyone wants to raid your staff of their next HC, if not now them eventually.

Hell, we had green bays HC on our staff and we sucked the year he left. Who would have thought?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I keep hearing how people here say that building through the draft is the way to go, or that getting top notched free agents will bring us back quicker. The argument then becomes the good teams build through the draft. Well here is the foundation of the "good teams" success.

It's called coaching continuity.

The Patriots, Packers, & Steelers have all kept their head coaches in place long term.

Since 1969 the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 head coaches! It just so happens that they are the most successful tean in NFL history when it comes to winning super bowls. Each of there last three coaches (Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin) have won at least one super bowl. Current head coach is entering his 10th season.

Since 1993 the New England Patriots have had 3 head coaches. During this two of those coaches took them to the super bowl although Belichick was the only one to win it (4 times). Current head coach is entering his 17th season.

Since 1992 The Green Bay Packers have had 4 head coaches. They have won 2 super bowls in the process. Current head coach(our former O-Coordinator) is entering his 11th season.

It doesn't matter if we build through the draft or free agency. We have leadership issues and it starts at the top!

Our major issue is playing musical chairs with the head coaching position.

We have had 8 different head coaches since 1997, and three different coaches in the last three years.

So, what would be the best way to build a foundation for our head coaching situation? Be like the Rooney's and leave the head coach in place and let him grow and learn no matter what his record is? Be more like the Packers and hire the best guy for the job and retain him? Or be like the Patriots and allow the coach to have all of the power so that the leadership begins and ends with the head coach?

We have had so many different assistants and coordinators as well. Poor Alex Smith had to learn a new offense almost every year he played here, and now it all starts again. Throw out your Harbaugh playbooks and study this Tomsula playbook. Now you can toss all of that Tomsula and whatever was leftover from Harbaugh because we are going Chip Kelly's spread "this year".

Maybe this is why players chose to retire, leave via free agency, or not come here via free agency?

Your thoughts?

uhh?

yeah, we shouldn't have fired Harbaugh - I think that's been thoroughly discussed

Originally posted by titan:
FO and team talent is the issue. Kubiack was fired and won the SB the following year. Let him coach last years talent this upcoming season and he will get fired again!

disagree

Tomsula and his staff was historically bad, we have talent - it's just untapped

Kubiak also had a solid OL and the best front 7 in the league to work with

Originally posted by WildBill:

You do know that Eddie started off stupidly also right? Or did you forget all those coaches before Walsh and the GM named Joe Thomas? I think it is the luck of the draw in landing a good coach-look at how many poeple did not hire Walsh, who was one of the oldest first year/first time coaches that was hired at the time.

Lol...FYI: Bill Walsh (b. 1931) AND Jim Harbaugh (b. 1963) were both 48 years old when they took over as coach of the 49ers (respectively, 1979 and 2011).

BW just looked old cos his hair grayed early prob and we remember his more venerable elder appearance. For the era he was hired though, he was relatively young if not on par with the average age of first year coaches.

Originally posted by Escobar:

Originally posted by titan:

FO and team talent is the issue. Kubiack was fired and won the SB the following year. Let him coach last years talent this upcoming season and he will get fired again!

disagree

Tomsula and his staff was historically bad, we have talent - it's just untapped

Kubiak also had a solid OL and the best front 7 in the league to work with

I don't get why you disagree when you clearly agreed by saying Kubiak had a solid OL and the best front 7?!

Never said Tomsula was a good coach. I'm saying you have a good FO and team talent it can help a head coach. Kubiak was viewed as a bad coach in Houston and turns it around with Denver within a season. Why?...Good FO Support and team talent. Our team lacks talent and FO support. Kubiak may have gotten us 2 or 3 more wins if that. To me the untapped potential means minimal production could possibly be boom or bust. So if you have 6 untapped talent on starting Offense and 6 untapped talent on defense, we would still be lacking talent. IMO we have few veterans that are stars or above average. The rest are mediocre.

The top organizations hire the best people to run the day to day activities and then ownership stays out of the way. Picking the right people long term can lead to a winning formula for decades. The 49ers had Coaches Walsh and Siefert carry them for almost two decades.

You guys are all correct...but i think you need to amend the thread title a tad. ..ie, coaching continuity once you have a good coach. I don't think anyone was thinking about tomsula when continuity of coaching came up....