Coaching continuity is the biggest issue!

glorydayz · 2016-03-16T15:16:35-07:00

I keep hearing how people here say that building through the draft is the way to go, or that getting top notched free agents will bring us back quicker. The argument then becomes the good teams build through the draft. Well here is the foundation of the "good teams" success. It's called coaching continuity. The Patriots, Packers, & Steelers have all kept their head coaches in place long term. Since 1969 the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 head coaches! It just so happens that they are the most successful tean in NFL history when it comes to winning super bowls. Each of there last three coaches (Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin) have won at least one super bowl. Current head coach is entering his 10th season. Since 1993 the New England Patriots have had 3 head coaches. During this two of those coaches took them to the super bowl although Belichick was the only one to win it (4 times). Current head coach is entering his 17th season. Since 1992 The Green Bay Packers have had 4 head coaches. They have won 2 super bowls in the process. Current head coach(our former O-Coordinator) is entering his 11th season. It doesn't matter if we build through the draft or free agency. We have leadership issues and it starts at the top! Our major issue is playing musical chairs with the head coaching position. We have had 8 different head coaches since 1997, and three different coaches in the last three years. So, what would be the best way to build a foundation for our head coaching situation? Be like the Rooney's and leave the head coach in place and let him grow and learn no matter what his record is? Be more like the Packers and hire the best guy for the job and retain him? Or be like the Patriots and allow the coach to have all of the power so that the leadership begins and ends with the head coach? We have had so many different assistants and coordinators as well. Poor Alex Smith had to learn a new offense almost every year he played here, and now it all starts again. Throw out your Harbaugh playbooks and study this Tomsula playbook. Now you can toss all of that Tomsula and whatever was leftover from Harbaugh because we are going Chip Kelly's spread "this year". Maybe this is why players chose to retire, leave via free agency, or not come here via free agency? Your thoughts?

Mar 16, 2016 at 4:51 PM

MadDog49er
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Methinks it is more about stable and determined ownership and great front office personnel. It all begins at the top, not mid-level.

Mar 16, 2016 at 4:56 PM

TheRambler
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Methinks it is more about stable and determined ownership and great front office personnel. It all begins at the top, not mid-level.

We already have both of those. We just don't have fans who understand the regular ebbs and flows of NFL rosters. Its further exacerbated locally by the Giants and Warriors winning titles and causing unrealistic expectations for Niners fans in the Bay and the local sports media, who then set the tone for other fans across the country.

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:07 PM

pdizo916
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No s**t......

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:10 PM

susweel
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Biggest issue is ownership.

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:12 PM

TheRambler
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Originally posted by susweel:
Biggest issue is our fans still irrationally cling to Harbaugh even though firing him was the right decision, and now bring out the pitchforks for every single thing they don't like, whether or not facts state otherwise

FTFY

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:16 PM

susweel
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Originally posted by TheRambler:
Originally posted by susweel:
Biggest issue is our fans still irrationally cling to Harbaugh even though firing him was the right decision, and now bring out the pitchforks for every single thing they don't like, whether or not facts state otherwise

FTFY

So its fans fault we won 5 games last year ?

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:16 PM

awp8912
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Originally posted by TheRambler:
We already have both of those. We just don't have fans who understand the regular ebbs and flows of NFL rosters. Its further exacerbated locally by the Giants and Warriors winning titles and causing unrealistic expectations for Niners fans in the Bay and the local sports media, who then set the tone for other fans across the country.

You're right, the universally vilified front office is actually a "great" FO worthy of esteem and recognition.

Forget all the backstabbing, leaking, low-balling, unprofessional, few-free-agents-want-to-come-here, few-coaches-want-to-coach-here, articles/tweets/blog posts/insiders/sources, etc.

You're right, it's 100% ALL the Niner fans in the bay area creating and driving this narrative into physical existence.

[ Edited by awp8912 on Mar 16, 2016 at 5:16 PM ]

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:17 PM

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by TheRambler:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Methinks it is more about stable and determined ownership and great front office personnel. It all begins at the top, not mid-level.

We already have both of those. We just don't have fans who understand the regular ebbs and flows of NFL rosters. Its further exacerbated locally by the Giants and Warriors winning titles and causing unrealistic expectations for Niners fans in the Bay and the local sports media, who then set the tone for other fans across the country.

Great front offices and GMs don't hire and fire three coaches in five years. No non-owner GM in the history of the NFL has hired three permanent head coaches over an entire tenure with a team much less less five short seasons.
Who is the great FO person running football operations for the 49ers? Marathe and York?

The national media pretty much thinks the 49ers FO sucks as well.

[ Edited by TheWooLick on Mar 16, 2016 at 5:20 PM ]

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:34 PM

SofaKing
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Originally posted by susweel:
Biggest issue is ownership.

Agree, and I think that's what the OP was getting at. The coaching instability has been a result of bad decisions made by ownership. It always starts at the top.

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all have smart, stable ownership/management. That's why they've been competitive for so damn long. Having a few HOF QBs doesn't hurt either.

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:36 PM

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glorydayz
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRambler:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Methinks it is more about stable and determined ownership and great front office personnel. It all begins at the top, not mid-level.

We already have both of those. We just don't have fans who understand the regular ebbs and flows of NFL rosters. Its further exacerbated locally by the Giants and Warriors winning titles and causing unrealistic expectations for Niners fans in the Bay and the local sports media, who then set the tone for other fans across the country.

Great front offices and GMs don't hire and fire three coaches in five years. No non-owner GM in the history of the NFL has hired three permanent head coaches over an entire tenure with a team much less less five short seasons.
Who is the great FO person running football operations for the 49ers? Marathe and York?

The national media pretty much thinks the 49ers FO sucks as well.

Exactly!

The issue of coaching continuity is due to an inept front office. The mid-level doesn't hire and fire itself.

Mar 16, 2016 at 5:37 PM

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glorydayz
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Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by susweel:
Biggest issue is ownership.

Agree, and I think that's what the OP was getting at. The coaching instability has been a result of bad decisions made by ownership. It always starts at the top.

Patriots, Steelers, Packers all have smart, stable ownership/management. That's why they've been competitive for so damn long. Having a few HOF QBs doesn't hurt either.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Mar 16, 2016 at 6:30 PM

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SanDiego49er
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Coaching is not the biggest problem with this team by a long shot.

LOL.

Look higher. The problems are further up the ladder.

Mar 16, 2016 at 6:42 PM

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blizzuntz
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York family

Mar 16, 2016 at 6:51 PM

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It always starts at the top. We are a terribly run franchise and it shows in every area of the organization. The crap trickles on down from the top. The Yorks are an embarrassment.