Eagles Fan Perspective: 8 Points

Great post, thanks for taking the time and thought to type it up.

Good insights.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by mojave45:

While Kelly's biggest struggle internally was widely reported to be Howie Rosen, and I presume this to be a fact, why do we think he will get along any better with Paraag Marathe? Paraag is also not a "football guy" and is not reported to have any better inter personal skills than Rosen, lol. Aa a matter of fact most reports put Paraag as a sub zero on both counts, not being a "football" guy, and getting along with people. While Paraag is no longer in exactly the same position, he will still be handling contracts. Supposedly Gamble will be a moderating influence, and maybe Kelly can communicate better through him but that remains to be seen.

Apples and oranges.

Rosen was Kelly's GM and on equal footing with the owner. Marathee isn't even in the line of authority with Kelly. It's Kelly-Baalke-York. How do I know this? Jed himself said "I shared with Trent that I wasn't happy with last year's results" and "Trent will be conducting a search for our next head coach." Marathee is over "Strategy" and "Salary Cap" and reports directly with Jed on the administrative (much less the football) side of the team.

"Paraag has chosen to step away from the day-to-day business operations of the team and partner with me, and my family, as we focus on new investments and ventures," York said in a statement. "On the team side, he will continue to report directly to me and have a significant role in major strategic decisions for the club as Chief Strategy Officer. Paraag will continue to serve in his long-respected role as the team's chief contract negotiator, working alongside Trent and Chip within all football operations." - Jed

Working closely with Chip and Trent translates to contract negotiations.

Chip has had issues with more than just Rosen, and will have again. Saying there will be no interaction between Marathe and Chip because of the structure is simplistic. While the structure should preclude direct power struggles, Chip will still be affected by Marathe's contract negotiations, partially because they will be based on Marathe's "perceived value" analysis of players. So a "suit", and not a "footbal guy" will be making decisions on paying FA's for example. But you are correct, Chip won't be reporting to him. That should help.

But that isn't really the exact point I was trying to make, it is more of how is he really going to fit in here overall when he has to deal with opinions that conflict with his and that he doesn't value? A point Eagles_Fan made clear was an issue. One of the reasons I was against hiring him are his long reported people skills issues. Lets just hope his interactions in the organization don't spill over into more Front Office drama, because it isn't like our FO is strong enough to handle any distractions. Our FO functions marginally at best IMHO, even when they don't have any thing else to deal with. I hope all goes well, for the sake of the team. But I am not willing to bet that Kelly will somehow reinvent himself and things will go smoothly here.

Originally posted by mojave45:
Chip has had issues with more than just Rosen, and will have again. Saying there will be no interaction between Marathe and Chip because of the structure is simplistic. While the structure should preclude direct power struggles, Chip will still be affected by Marathe's contract negotiations, partially because they will be based on Marathe's "perceived value" analysis of players. So a "suit", and not a "footbal guy" will be making decisions on paying FA's for example. But you are correct, Chip won't be reporting to him. That should help.

But that isn't really the exact point I was trying to make, it is more of how is he really going to fit in here overall when he has to deal with opinions that conflict with his and that he doesn't value? A point Eagles_Fan made clear was an issue. One of the reasons I was against hiring him are his long reported people skills issues. Lets just hope his interactions in the organization don't spill over into more Front Office drama, because it isn't like our FO is strong enough to handle any distractions. Our FO functions marginally at best IMHO, even when they don't have any thing else to deal with. I hope all goes well, for the sake of the team. But I am not willing to bet that Kelly will somehow reinvent himself and things will go smoothly here.

Who the heck is Rosen. Dude's name is Howie Roseman and he has more influence within the Eagles organization than anyone else. He's like if you took Baalke without any scouting experience and combined him with Marathe. Roseman comes off like a hypersensitive, egotistical prick that wants to run everything despite having no real coaching or scouting experience. Kelly is the second coach he has basically helped drop kick out the door.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Chip has had issues with more than just Rosen, and will have again. Saying there will be no interaction between Marathe and Chip because of the structure is simplistic. While the structure should preclude direct power struggles, Chip will still be affected by Marathe's contract negotiations, partially because they will be based on Marathe's "perceived value" analysis of players. So a "suit", and not a "footbal guy" will be making decisions on paying FA's for example. But you are correct, Chip won't be reporting to him. That should help.

But that isn't really the exact point I was trying to make, it is more of how is he really going to fit in here overall when he has to deal with opinions that conflict with his and that he doesn't value? A point Eagles_Fan made clear was an issue. One of the reasons I was against hiring him are his long reported people skills issues. Lets just hope his interactions in the organization don't spill over into more Front Office drama, because it isn't like our FO is strong enough to handle any distractions. Our FO functions marginally at best IMHO, even when they don't have any thing else to deal with. I hope all goes well, for the sake of the team. But I am not willing to bet that Kelly will somehow reinvent himself and things will go smoothly here.

Who the heck is Rosen. Dude's name is Howie Roseman and he has more influence within the Eagles organization than anyone else. He's like if you took Baalke without any scouting experience and combined him with Marathe. Roseman comes off like a hypersensitive, egotistical prick that wants to run everything despite having no real coaching or scouting experience. Kelly is the second coach he has basically helped drop kick out the door.

Sorry about misspelling Roseman, spell check keeps changing it. Exactly though, he comes off just like Marathe. Only Marathe is not in the same position of course.

Originally posted by vermonator:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Just remember this; regardless of your genius, you still have to work with people. Kelly said, the one thing he learned from his experience (aka firing in Philly) was that he needs to communicate (and listen) more. That's something Harbaugh didn't learn.

True that

the difference with Harbaugh and Kelly was that, Harbaugh took the team to the NFCCG right away and a dumb ref had mistaken a call on an OBVIOUS fumble that woulda sent us to the Super Bowl..

Harbaugh with back to back team success had every right to may have asked for whatever he wanted for the team, in the draft and free agency... While Kelly did and got what he wanted but could not produce right and had seem to go backwards..

Thanks. RE 3, Paraag is f**ked lol

Originally posted by Eagles_Fan:

4. But he is definitely not a people person. He has a big heart, and what I'm about to say might seem a little controversial to say but I think Chip may have a very mild form of Aspergers syndrome. His brains can click at enormously quick and witty levels. In a way, he's a genius. But he just can not make real emotional connections with individuals. And there is one reason for it.

I think Harbaugh had a little bit of Aspergers. Remember when he was courting Manning, and then when back to Alex, and then benched him for Kaep, and basically didn't give a f**k who's feelings he hurt?

A lot of the great minds in history were autistic, including Einstein.

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Originally posted by Eagles_Fan:

4. But he is definitely not a people person. He has a big heart, and what I'm about to say might seem a little controversial to say but I think Chip may have a very mild form of Aspergers syndrome. His brains can click at enormously quick and witty levels. In a way, he's a genius. But he just can not make real emotional connections with individuals. And there is one reason for it.

I think Harbaugh had a little bit of Aspergers. Remember when he was courting Manning, and then when back to Alex, and then benched him for Kaep, and basically didn't give a f**k who's feelings he hurt?

A lot of the great minds in history were autistic, including Einstein.

Harbaugh has double speak not aspergers

1) GREAT post Eagles Fan. We appreciate you taking the time out to give us some perspective on Chip Kelly. Very insightful.

2) Not sure where this idea came from where we are psychoanalyzing head coaches now, but it's f**king stupid and needs to stop.

For starters, it suggests that successful coaches need to be a certain way - ostensibly huggable, kissable and oh so very "media friendly" - when that is rarely the case. Nearly every successful coach in the history of the game is a grade 'A' a*****e. That's just what it is.

Anyone have any stories to share about Bill Walsh's gentle and soothing personality?

Didn't think so.

Because those stories don't exist (in the context of football at least). Ditto for Bill Belichick, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden (who this board seems to have a weird obsession with but I digress.) and the list goes on.

Personally, I don't give a flying, walking, nor swimming f**k if Chip Kelly is incapable of forming one sentence without insulting your momma. If he WINS games, he could think the earth is flat and I'll be the first one to tell you that your mom is an idiot if she disagrees.

I think that those of you that are stuck on this personality business should strongly consider rooting for another team. May I suggest the Bengals?

Sure, the team has either sucked or underachieved literally every single year under his watch but hey, Marvin Lewis is a great guy and I suppose you can't really put a price on that.

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Originally posted by Eagles_Fan:

4. But he is definitely not a people person. He has a big heart, and what I'm about to say might seem a little controversial to say but I think Chip may have a very mild form of Aspergers syndrome. His brains can click at enormously quick and witty levels. In a way, he's a genius. But he just can not make real emotional connections with individuals. And there is one reason for it.

I think Harbaugh had a little bit of Aspergers. Remember when he was courting Manning, and then when back to Alex, and then benched him for Kaep, and basically didn't give a f**k who's feelings he hurt?

A lot of the great minds in history were autistic, including Einstein.

Harbaugh has double speak not aspergers

" Gobble Gobble "

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Awesome post Eagles_Fan. Really appreciate your perspective here.

Agree with this for sure

I've always been a fan of Chip the coach. Not so much Chip the GM.

Originally posted by susweel:

Thanks, you just gave me a half erection.

This speaks volumes . It usually takes Chaz acting as a fluffer to achieve this

I hope Chip takes it to the next level...with our defense. I want Chip to design attacking offense and practice it with our defense from their defensive formations. Just imagine, our defense gets an interception or fumble recovery and it is a clean pick or recovery where the defensive player is able to advance the ball in the other direction.

So, because a defense practiced this, the instant this situation occurs, the defender with the ball immediately runs backward or sets while the other defenders immediately get into an offensively attacking formation be it a wedge or a planned lateral.

Why not maximize turnovers and practice them as a scorable play? Defenders right now are happy just to get a INT or recover a fumble but why not instill and instinct where those plays should be more than that? If practiced properly, I would not be surprised if a defense gets a TD on 33% of its turnovers forced.

It is no different than a defense practicing stripping the ball or the strip sack. Take us outside the box. I'm so over this, "that's what we have always done" crap. Warriors, Spurs and Patriots are the only teams that don't do things because that's how it's always been done approach.

I'm pretty sure he practices scoring within ST's and defense about as much if not more than anyone else in the league. Their game against the Patriots was a good example of that.